Re: [Evolution] stability/stability (was: Re: Evolution-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 20)

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Please don't reply to digests. 1- The Subject is meaningless unless you edit it (see above) 2- It breaks the threading 3- In many cases (though not this time) clueless users quote the entire digest in order to reply to one message. Note that you can post via Gmane if you don't want to subscribe

Re: [Evolution] New feature for Evolution

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 21:56 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: If you mean http://bugzilla.gnome.org (which is where you need to create a login to report bugs and enhancement requests such as this one), what exactly is the problem?

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 00:48 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Most importantly, you MUST always describe your environment completely: for Evo in particular this means what type of email are you reading? Local spool? POP/POP3? IMAP? Exchange using the old evolution-exchange backend? Exchange using

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 01:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 00:48 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Most importantly, you MUST always describe your environment completely: for Evo in particular this means what type of email are you reading? Local spool? POP/POP3? IMAP?

Re: [Evolution] New feature for Evolution

2009-10-12 Thread Milan Crha
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I think this feature is very important, because with it the user can safely archive messages that are important in PDF, without the need to print them in paper. What you want is to be able to select a set of messages and print

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Milan Crha
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:26 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's not as easy to use as it should be (e.g. there doesn't seem to be a way to get a direct URL for the Evo section rather than the whole of Gnome), but it's what we've got. Hi, I'm wondering, what do you mean with this?

Re: [Evolution] New feature for Evolution

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
I couldn´t make an account in Evolution's development site, so I will make a proposal of a new feature for Evolution here. I've used MS-Outlook for a long time, and a feature I think was very useful is the possibility to convert several messages to PDF, printing them in a PDF printer, for

Re: [Evolution] New feature for Evolution

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 21:56 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: If you mean http://bugzilla.gnome.org (which is where you need to create a login to report bugs and enhancement requests such as this one), what exactly is the problem?

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
Recently (and not for the first time) I hit Reply to a posting rather than Reply-to-All, and send a message to a poster when I meant to send it to the list. If you want the message to go to the mailing list, hit Reply To List (Ctrl-L), not Reply to All, Ditto; just tell your software

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
If you want the message to go to the mailing list, hit Reply To List (Ctrl-L), not Reply to All, that will make your reply go to the proper place as derived from the mail headers and makes sure the person you are replying to doesn't get two copies. (Another bit of netiquette that seems

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:06 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 19:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There is an outstanding request (from many years ago) for user-configurable keyboard shortcuts, which for some reason never seem to get any attention from the devels. I

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:14 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:06 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 19:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There is an outstanding request (from many years ago) for user-configurable keyboard shortcuts, which for some reason

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
The most important things to users are, 1) Reliablity. A program should work all of the time, it should never crash or hang. Nothing else matters if a program is as unstable as Evolution has become. I agree. While it's true that I haven't seen many crashes in recent versions, Evo does

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Art Alexion
Netiquette, schmetiquette. Though I usually read this list on my work desktop with evolution, this blackberry MUA and others just don't support reply to list. While I agree with your point, the reality is that you just can't expect that those features are available to people all of the time.

Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]

2009-10-12 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Monday, October 12, 2009 a las 08:20:35AM -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: El día Monday, October 12, 2009 a las 06:36:10AM -0400, Art Alexion escribió: Sometimes, indeed, some of us just can't. Like now, when I am reading mail on my Blackberry. The BB inserts the entire

Re: [Evolution] Evolution-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 20

2009-10-12 Thread B. Joshua Rosen
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 22:40 -0600, Tim McConnell wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 03:57 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Matthew and the other developers, I think it's a terrible mistake to be adding any new features to Evolution until the bugs have been fixed. Nobody

Re: [Evolution] New feature for Evolution

2009-10-12 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 01:08 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: If you find bugs in Evolution on a Red Hat distribution such as Fedora, you can file bugs there if you like and presumably they will be refiled/forwarded to the Gnome bugzilla if appropriate (i.e., if they are not specific to Fedora). Or,

Re: [Evolution] names change using LDAP

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:52 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:46 +0200, Lars Schade wrote: To illustrate the issue I start with a local addressbook and add a new contact using the evolution GUI say for the Berlin Office of a company called The Big Wheel, and I fill

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 04:39 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 01:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 00:48 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Most importantly, you MUST always describe your environment completely: for Evo in particular this means what type of

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 11:11 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:26 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's not as easy to use as it should be (e.g. there doesn't seem to be a way to get a direct URL for the Evo section rather than the whole of Gnome), but it's what we've got.

Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 14:16 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: If this is really not configurable, you're using a buggy and wrong MTA. I think you mean MUA here. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Milan Crha
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 10:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I mean when I tell me to file a BZ report for some Evo problem, I have to give them the general Gnome BZ URL and hope they can find the right page. There isn't a specific URL for filing a new Evo bug. This one seems to work for me,

Re: [Evolution] stability/Jewett

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
If this is really not configurable, you're using a buggy and wrong MTA. I have noticed this on my BB as well and I haven't looked into the configuration to see but I make it a personal note not to reply to lists on my BB for this reason. I use SnapperMail on a Palm OS device, it seems to do

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 06:16 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: The most important things to users are, 1) Reliablity. A program should work all of the time, it should never crash or hang. Nothing else matters if a program is as unstable as Evolution has become. I agree. While it's

Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:44 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 10:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I mean when I tell me to file a BZ report for some Evo problem, I have to give them the general Gnome BZ URL and hope they can find the right page. There isn't a specific URL

[Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Sylvia Sánchez
Hello everybody! I would like to ask, Why Evolution mail doesn't have check boxes like in webmail (yahoo, i.e.)? To select many mails at once and do things with them. I find it useful when I use it in webmail. Anyboody else? Regards Sylvia PD: Sorry if my english isn't good, I'm a spanish

Re: [Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Xavier Bestel
Hi Sylvia, On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 13:53 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: Hello everybody! I would like to ask, Why Evolution mail doesn't have check boxes like in webmail (yahoo, i.e.)? To select many mails at once and do things with them. I find it useful when I use it in webmail.

Re: [Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Ben May
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 13:53 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: Hello everybody! I would like to ask, Why Evolution mail doesn't have check boxes like in webmail (yahoo, i.e.)? To select many mails at once and do things with them. I find it useful when I use it in webmail. Anyboody else?

Re: [Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Sylvia Sánchez
El lun, 12-10-2009 a las 18:05 +0200, Xavier Bestel escribió: Hi Sylvia, On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 13:53 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: Hello everybody! I would like to ask, Why Evolution mail doesn't have check boxes like in webmail (yahoo, i.e.)? To select many mails at once and

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In this case that's right. In fact now that I've had some sleep I'd recommend the OP to take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570438 since it's an LDAP-related problem I reported in February which Srini gave me a

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Ben May
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:47 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In this case that's right. In fact now that I've had some sleep I'd recommend the OP to take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570438 since it's an

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 12:50 -0400, Ben May wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:47 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In this case that's right. In fact now that I've had some sleep I'd recommend the OP to take a look at

Re: [Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 12:23 -0400, Robert Seward wrote: You can hold down control and click on individual emails or hold down shift to select a whole series of emails if you want to perform bulk operations. This is a pretty standard workflow in almost all modern operating systems/software

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:47 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In this case that's right. In fact now that I've had some sleep I'd recommend the OP to take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570438 since it's an

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 17:09 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I've seen occasional hangs with 2.26.3 Admittedly I am only using 2.26.1 (with a couple of patches from subsequent releases) but that's because nothing in any of the bugs that I have open indicate that a newer version will cure mail

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 16:00 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Description: Description of problem: Several times a day evolution freezes, doesn't respond to input or refresh its window. Generally, if I click on the window decoration to delete the

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
Devels know about the bugs I am reporting. I really don't think lack of bug reporting is the issue here. What appears (granted, from the outside, so I only have one view) to be at issue here -- and Evolution is not really any different than most other projects -- is that the attraction of

Re: [Evolution] Feature like Webmail (wish)

2009-10-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
I would like to ask, Why Evolution mail doesn't have check boxes like in webmail (yahoo, i.e.)? To select many mails at once and do things with them. I find it useful when I use it in webmail. Anyboody else? Ctrl-Click ___ Evolution-list

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 15:02 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 16:00 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Description: Description of problem: Several times a day evolution freezes, doesn't respond to input or refresh its window. Generally,

Re: [Evolution] stability/stability

2009-10-12 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Actually, I'm not familiar with apport. Is this an Ubuntu thing? It is. As you can see in the script though, that that is only required if you give my script a /var/crash/ file. If you really wanted to, you could simply remove

Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]

2009-10-12 Thread Art Alexion
Must not be that similar. Don't be so dismissive when it appears have a clue about this one. -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development (sent from my cell phone) - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org

Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]

2009-10-12 Thread Art Alexion
I use a Blackberry because it is the phone my employer requires me to use. We use Blackberries because we use Exchange, which incidentally, is the same reason I use Evolution. You say you would never use it? Perhaps jobs are so plentiful for you that you can pick one based on the cell phone

Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]

2009-10-12 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Monday, October 12, 2009 a las 08:30:21PM -0400, Art Alexion escribió: I use a Blackberry because it is the phone my employer requires me to use. We use Blackberries because we use Exchange, which incidentally, is the same reason I use Evolution. You say you would never use it?