--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling with you is about as useful as
arguing with Nabby or WillyTex. I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling
Do you ever tire of being stalked by her?
What makes it kinda funny to read is she
never seems to see her stalking always is
adroitly flipped to her acting like a
monkey you have on a chain, begging for
coins and support from passers by.
Psst - have you ever considered not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
---
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Everything I ever needed to know about how
to handle Judy Stein's stalking I learned
from the late, great Reverend Gene Scott.
Gene
below
curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
snip
Judy (from a post on alt.m.t):
We've discussed this before here, and TMers chimed in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
below
curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks for your comments Edg. I think you are right on with the non-verbal
gesture distinctions. If you get good at it, it is like putting your hand out
for a handshake,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
snip
With the puja you had the added weirdness of people
not knowing what the F you were doing. We down play
the weirdness so much in the intro and prep with our
suits and ties and talk of science, and then
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
snip
With the puja you had the added weirdness of people
not knowing what the F you were doing. We down play
the weirdness so much in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
snip
With the puja you had the added weirdness of people
not knowing what the F you were doing. We down play
the weirdness so much in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling with you is about as useful as
arguing with Nabby or WillyTex. I don't have time time
to get into convoluted dialogs with you. I don't have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
snip
With the puja you had the added weirdness of people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling with you is about as useful as
arguing with Nabby or WillyTex. I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
Judy, I didn't respond to you because I've concluded
that word wrestling with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
me:
That sounds like a possible POV. It is one I taught
with. But the parental role of minimizing any
possibility of TM conflicting with their religious
role is a bit too parental,
Judy:
Oh, for goodness' sake. It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Having so easily bent Barry to my will, I'm happy
to respond to his questions:
Wow. Nearly 70 years old, has meditated using
the fastest, most effective method of achieving
enlightenment on the planet for more than 30
years,
(snip)
If Maharishi had invented Catholicism, he would have tried to get it
into the schools by saying, The rosary is a recitation of two simple
prayers to the Mother of Jesus and to God the Father, but you don't have
to believe that they exist -- just say the words as we teach you to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Having so easily bent Barry to my will, I'm happy
to respond to his questions:
Wow. Nearly 70 years old, has meditated using
the fastest, most effective
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
WHY should we believe that you chose never to
mention it then, but choose to mention it now?
The question is, why should we believe *Barry*
when he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
WHY should we believe that you chose never to
mention it then, but choose to mention
TurquoiseB wrote:
I did a quick check of a.m.t
Just for the record, the a.m.t. search system
has been non-functioning for at least a week.
Google Groups - alt.meditation.transcendental
http://tinyurl.com/dxse42
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@...
wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
I did a quick check of a.m.t
Just for the record, the a.m.t. search system
has been non-functioning for at least a week.
Google Groups - alt.meditation.transcendental
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
WHY should we
Judy wrote:
Hmm, I found 252 posts on alt.m.t from Willtex
just now:
http://tinyurl.com/d3nkq8
Only 252? By my count, I've posted over 8000,
since 1999, but anyway, Thank you, Judy - I've
been looking for some a.m.t. classics to post
for almost a week.
Like I said, the a.m.t. search
John Manning wrote:
Austin's dogs deserve better says eyewitness Ned Wynn.
Yeah, that Ned Wynn - he's a real straight-shooter!
Ned Wynn on Marshy:
The guy has absolutely no style, no class. He's
the classic backward Dravidian reactionary, sexually
repressed, greedy, hypocritical, and a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In
TurquoiseB wrote:
(Funny too how you always complain about
*my* quoting posts from alt.m.t, as though
they couldn't have any relevance to anything
going on here.)
Yes, it is really funny - at least I think it's
funny, and fun to post these old messages, just
to see who has changed and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@...
wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
(Funny too how you always complain about
*my* quoting posts from alt.m.t, as though
they couldn't have any relevance to anything
going on here.)
No, *I* wrote this *to* Barry.
This has some interesting points about the teaching. This is from a while a ago
so you may want to amend some statements. But these points caught my eye.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Andrew here has to resort to distorting the context of my
response, as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
I forgot to add another point. After initiation we give the student their
handkerchief, a flower and a piece of fruit so they can enjoy the prasaad from
the puja. This is also typical of all Hindu pujas where
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
snip
Judy (from a post on alt.m.t):
We've discussed this before here, and TMers chimed in
about their own initiations; some knelt, some didn't.
I didn't. There's no pressure to do so. Some who
had more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
snip
Judy (from a post on alt.m.t):
We've discussed this before here, and TMers chimed in
about their own initiations; some knelt, some
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:22 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
I think this distinction you are making about whether it is
religious for the student verses the teacher is the critical
distinction. In a question of whether it is appropriate to teach in
schools, I am inclined to think that this point
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:22 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
I think this distinction you are making about whether it is
religious for the student verses the teacher is the critical
distinction. In a question of whether it is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
snip
Judy (from a post on alt.m.t):
We've discussed this before here, and TMers chimed in
about their own initiations; some knelt, some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
The notion that because Hindus don't actively
participate in pujas, and TM students don't actively
participate, therefore TM students are
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of geezerfreak
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Science Of Spiritual Marketing (Is kneeling
*ever* just kneeling)
You have the student
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
[Curtis wrote:]
This ceremony of gratitude was also prescribed as a
method for purification of the world around the time
of Maharishi's death.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:
snip
Curtis's arguments make no sense to you because
allowing yourself to agree with them would mean
that you have been participating in a religion
all this time.
BTW, Geeze, what did you think of Barry's recent
long
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
snip
Curtis's arguments make no sense to you because
allowing yourself to agree with them would mean
that you have been participating in a religion
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:07 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Judy doesn't want to be told it's a religious rite because
she's already determined that she believes something else
and her denial is very deep on many things TM.
Plus, her modus operandi on pretty much all
things is Truth is what *I* believe;
Curtis's arguments make no sense to you because
allowing yourself to agree with them would mean
that you have been participating in a religion
all this time.
Judy wrote:
BTW, Geeze, what did you think of Barry's recent
long post in which he claimed to have been utterly
nonreligious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:07 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Judy doesn't want to be told it's a religious rite because
she's already determined that she believes something else
and her denial is very deep on many things TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
snip
Curtis's arguments make no sense to you because
allowing yourself to agree
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:07 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Judy doesn't want to be told it's a religious rite because
she's already determined that she
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Jeez, how much more intellectually cowardly can
you get, Sal?
Sal is not an intellectually coward. She is bitter and old.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:26 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Interesting how Sal knows this without reading
my posts, isn't it?
What would be even more interesting would be for
her to actually *cite* some examples of my alleged
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
This might be the best summary rap about the movement. And you accurately
described the arc of my own start in the TMO, too, uncanny. That's almost
exactly the way I came into, and felt about, the movement.
My
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
This might be the best summary rap about the movement. And you accurately
described the arc of my own start in the TMO, too, uncanny.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
snip
Curtis's arguments make no sense to you because
allowing yourself to agree with them would mean
that you have been participating in a religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney m...@... wrote:
[...]
While various local TMO functionaries here and there have announced that
the DLF funds are available, there's been no press coverage that
would suggest that there have been any new schools taking Lynch up on
his offer.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Wine may have a rich history of religious use, but its
general use is independent of any specific ritualistic
use. The commandment of wearing undergarments for
Mormons doesn't make Fruit of the Loom or Victoria's
below
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
wrote:
IMO, I would expect that someone saying the rosary
(essentially a collection of hail marys and our
fathers) would be getting many of the same
On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
That's the whole issue, Marek -- the only
reason that the TM TBs cannot let go of the
TM is not a religion meme is because they
are unable to admit that they were lied to.
And that they *bought* these lies without
question for decades.
Yes, same for me. Good discussion.
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:
Marek,
Thanks for your feedback on this and related posts. They have helped me
further my thinking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
Duveyoung wrote:
And Turq is a predator by his own statements
-- even if I had paraphrased his attitude into
I'd hit that and not nutshelled it to your
satisfaction...
Go get them, Tiger!
Vaj wrote:
Many believe TM is Vedic, that Garlic is
non-Ayurvedic and a long list of other
hilarities that could have been easily rectified
if one took the time to, say, visit India
or to talk to some authentic sources...
Because the fact is that almost all of the Indian
traditions are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Yes, same for me. Good discussion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote:
Marek,
Thanks for your feedback on this and related posts. They have helped me
further my thinking.
On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Many believe TM is Vedic, that Garlic is
non-Ayurvedic and a long list of other
hilarities that could have been easily rectified
if one took the time to, say, visit India
or to talk to some authentic sources...
Because
On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:11 AM, grate.swan wrote:
I don't see how sitting in silence for 15 minutes in school
regardless of the practice used, in any way establishes a single
governmental-based religion.
As has been explained a gazillion times to you while you perseverate
over this
On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Vaj wrote:
Therefore, we need to go for the latter and focus our attention on
implementing these if we're interested in introducing meditation in
schools.
We're not, the whole idea is ludicrous.
Schools are for learning, the home is for
everything else, including
On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Vaj wrote:
Therefore, we need to go for the latter and focus our attention on
implementing these if we're interested in introducing meditation in
schools.
We're not, the whole idea is ludicrous.
Schools are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Did you as a TM teacher consider yourself a failure
if your students went off and practiced TM on their
own, with an occasional checking session, and never
came to any advanced lectures or went on residence
courses or got
GrateSwan, you've correctly identified the two clauses re religion in the
Constitution, the establishment clause (Congress shall make no law
respecting the establishment of religion,. . .) and the free exercise clause
(. . . or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.)
Both clauses are binding
On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
So if you look at TM in the schools (not the DLF initiative, but
programs that use public school facilities or staff to facilitate
TM), you can easily satisfy the first prong (better grades, improved
behavior, etc.)
Since this tack is
Marek Reavis wrote:
...because even a cursory examination of the TMO
history (and present structure) demonstrates that
it is replete with religious imagery, religious
language, religious beliefs, and a religious and
philosophical mission. The state cannot become
entangled with it
Right, but you can make the threshold requirement of the first prong by stating
that the intention is secular, rather than religious. If, for example, the
stated intention of promoting TM in schools was to create heaven on earth and
have all the students act in accordance with the will of god
Because the fact is that almost all of the Indian
traditions are derived from the Vedic tradition.
According to David Frawley, the Vidic Sanskrit
speakers are the source of the yoga tradition, the
six systems, Buddhism, and all the modern sectarian
traditions of India. All these
A law setting aside a time of silence in public schools for meditation or
voluntary prayer violates the Establishment clause when its sole purpose as
evidenced by its text and legislative history is to endorse a religious
exercise, and it thus has no secular purpose. (Wallace v. Jaffree (1985)
Going meta (much to Sal's disgust):
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
Since my original post was specifically
about the TM puja, *which it is required
that students participate in* as part of
learning TM, and the evader in question
managed to avoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Going meta (much to Sal's disgust):
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
Since my original post was specifically
about the TM puja, *which it is required
that students participate in*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
A law setting aside a time of silence in public schools for meditation or
voluntary prayer violates the Establishment clause when its sole purpose
as evidenced by its text and legislative history is to endorse a
On Apr 19, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
So, you're saying that the tantric mantras came AFTER the
Rig Veda - if so, that proves my point. According to
Frawley, all the Indian traditions are based on the
Vedic literature, none were imported from outside India.
They all arose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@...
wrote:
Well, Vaj, I don't think David Frawley is a liar, and
he is a Vedic scholar. According to Frawley, the Vedas
are rife with yogic and tantric notions - the Atharva
Veda has many tantric mantras in it.
From AV:
Having so easily bent Barry to my will, I'm happy
to respond to his questions:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
Unless (light bulb going on over my head!)
I just repost the questions below, spelling
out in no uncertain terms exactly WHO the
TM True
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
Wine may have a rich history of religious use, but its
general use is independent of any specific ritualistic
use. The commandment of wearing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
rounded by the Rajas in full costume.
snip
Whatever
Richard, the phrase in need of a kneel got me laughing so hard -- thanks for
that.
Kneeling is such an intentional posture; and the idea that it's just a posture,
merely equivalent with any other, and that a person would assume that pose
immediately following a religious(-type) ceremony (and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:
I'd say we do a poll of how many would've learnt TM
if they knew it was going to be like this but I think
some of us might have lost thier objectivity.
I was only 16 whe I went to my intro, and at the time very
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:
Richard, the phrase in need of a kneel got me laughing so hard --
thanks for that.
Kneeling is such an intentional posture; and the idea that it's just
a posture, merely equivalent with any other, and that a person would
assume that pose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Richard, the phrase in need of a kneel got me laughing so hard -- thanks
for that.
Kneeling is such an intentional posture; and the idea that it's just a
posture, merely equivalent with any other, and that a person
This might be the best summary rap about the movement. And you accurately
described the arc of my own start in the TMO, too, uncanny. That's almost
exactly the way I came into, and felt about, the movement.
That is, of course, the one big reason why FFL is valuable -- not a lot of folk
have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Richard, the phrase in need of a kneel got me laughing
so hard -- thanks for that.
Kneeling is such an intentional posture; and the idea
that it's just a posture, merely equivalent with any other,
and that a person
GrateSwan, I think you're slicing the baloney too thin, though I appreciate the
intent to be rigorously objective. But it's not a Zeno's paradox thing; it's
so clearly religious and in every aspect, *except* for the TMOs labored
explanation/interpretation that has to be immediately inserted,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
snip
If the saying of the Catholic rosary had provable,
scientifically veriafiable effects on student's
attitudes and grades, would that justify teaching
it or having the students practice it at school?
With the
Judy, you accurately describe the attitude that I, as an intiator, tried to
project to initiates who did not kneel when cued to do so. You also accurately
characterize your initiation setting as being religious (or religiously
ambiguous), If the teacher was religious, that was OK with me, but
On Apr 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:
Richard, the phrase in need of a kneel got me laughing so hard --
thanks for that.
Kneeling is such an intentional posture; and the idea that it's just
a posture, merely equivalent with any other, and that a person would
assume that
IMO, I would expect that someone saying the rosary (essentially a collection of
hail marys and our fathers) would be getting many of the same (if not all)
of the salutory effects of TM. I'm not debating the merits of the respective
practices, but the analysis under the federal Constitution, if
[Correction: sentence should read: TM is religion based, *not* just religion
derived.]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Judy, you accurately describe the attitude that I, as an intiator, tried to
project to initiates who did not kneel when cued to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
GrateSwan, I think you're slicing the baloney too thin,
There are interesting if not important distinctions to be explored and
understood, IMO.
Let me try to recast them, the distinction between:
1) learning and
The picture of Guru Dev has a halo, too, sitting on a throne decorated with
specific religious symbols.
One of the great pleasures of teaching TM, for me personally, was gently
guiding an initiate from a purely material, scientific POV of the world, into
the wonderfully rich metaphysical
Universities have all sorts of openly religious groups from all sorts of
religions using university facilities to openly and notoriously practice their
religions and espouse their beliefs. Using federal money to do so (other than
facility use alone) is not allowed. Teaching the tenets of any
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
IMO, I would expect that someone saying the rosary
(essentially a collection of hail marys and our
fathers) would be getting many of the same (if not
all) of the salutory effects of TM.
Could be, but that's irrelevant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
People seem to forget to mention that they're not just
kneeling, they're kneeling in front of someone,
When I was initiated, the place I was invited to
kneel was off to the side, not in front of the table.
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