Re: F11 and jackd
Andras Simon wrote: On 9/15/09, lanas la...@securenet.net wrote: Hi, Using yum I've installed jackd and qjackctl on an fully updated F11 x86_64 system. When using qjackctl to start jackd it reports that it cannot connect to alsa. What would be the proper configuration to use jackd on a F11 x86_64 system ? Maybe PulseAudio stands between jackd and alsa? I'm not sure if you can have both (i.e. jackd and PA). If not, then the required configuration for jackd is throwing out PA. Andras There is a plug in, I believe for jackd, that lets it work with PA. I don't remember then name, but you can search for it. Try doing a search for pulse or jack in yumex. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit
Robert L Cochran wrote: Guidelines are voluntary. So is providing help on the list. Not following the guidelines is a good way to limit those willing to help you. I don't crucify, burn at stake, hang, dismember or torture other list people for doing things differently. We do not live in the 1400s any longer. Bob I guess politeness has also gone out of style. Guidelines are to let people know the way they are expected to behave in this community. After all, things like changing you cloths, washing, etc are voluntary. But you will have a hard time fitting in in most parts of the world if this is the way you conduct yourself. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit
Robert L Cochran wrote: Here in the USA, I do not need to be ashamed for having a different view and a different way of doing things. I can have my own beliefs and practices. I'm from Milwaukee - I know something about the US. You can have your own beliefs. But you are constrained in your practices by what the community tolerates. When you resort to threats of no help to me unless I toe the line you dictate to me, you illustrate what I'm getting at. Not a threat - I have no obligation to help anyone on the list. I am much more likely to help someone that is polite. That is MY choice. I only help on problems that interest me. If someone can be bothered to follow list guidelines, that person just lost my interest. By beliefs is that if someone does not care enough about following the list guidelines when asking for help, they they are not worth helping. Are telling me I can not follow my beliefs? It takes people with many different views to make a good product. If I banned everyone from my workplace who doesn't think as I do, then I'd be standing in the building alone. With nothing to show for it. I guess you have never seen a No shoes, no shirt, no service. sign, or don't believe you have to follow that type of sign. There are plenty of companies that will refuse to do business with you if you don't want to conform to expected behavior. This has almost nothing to do with your beliefs, and everything to do polite behavior. (Some people believe that helping someone that is not even related to them is foolish. Being polite is an even worse offense.) On that point, welcome to my kill file. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Battery - Control Screen brightness
Mail Lists wrote: Gnome - F11. When I unplug and go on battery - the screen dims. The power applet for non-battery has a slider for screen brightness. The battery tab only has a button to click to dim screen - i have that set to no. Yet - when I go on power the screen dims. Is there a slider somewhere to set screen brightness when on battery ? If not - is there a gnome registery setting ? The hardware laptop brightness has no further effect - pressing it shows the brightness to full - clearly it is not. As soon as I plug power back in the screen gets brighter. Thanks for help. gene/ I am not at my laptop, so I can not check the power management options/ But there is also an applet for Gnome that will set brightness for most laptops. If you right-click on the top bar, and click Add to Panel..., you can add the Brightness Applet to control screen brightness. I will have to double check what the power savings configuration program is called, and where it is, but I remember all kinds of settings for things like dimming the screen when idle, setting screen brightness, etc when on battery power. Two things to keep in mind - the brightness settings do not work for all laptops, and some BIOSs have settings that control how the laptop behaves when it goes to battery power. If your laptop turns out to be one that in not fully supported yes, then you will need to file a bug report. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rediculous amount of IO use when updating packages!
Kavon Farvardin wrote: So I installed Fedora 11 recently on my ThinkPad R61, and had 560+ packages to update. Installing and cleaning the packages has been taking FOREVER. Almost several hours, I've had to stop it so often (and restart it with yum-continue-transaction) because it lags my entire system. It's all IO use too, the CPU is barely being used! I have installed a solid state drive in my laptop and it shouldn't be so slow at deleting or cleaning packages, it's doing one every 5 seconds or more. Is there some bug with SSDs and yum? (maybe python related as it seems yum is written in python?) I have no speed issues with anything else, and when I installed this drive it was a huge overall performance improvement over my 5400 RPM disk. I'm also using ext4 as it was the default, and I think a Logical Volume setup instead of a partition based one (again, default settings). What should I do? There was a thread here from Patrick O'Callaghan that may help. It was about USB flash drives, but it will probably apply to SSDs as well. Just a quick note to call people's attention to http://marc-abramowitz.com/archives/2007/02/17/getting-good-performance-out-of-usb-hard-drives-in-linux/. This is a couple of years old but it worked like a charm for me. Briefly, there's a kernel parameter called /sys/block/sd[a,b,...]/device/max_sectors (for USB drives sda, sdb etc.). This specifies the maximum size of a disk I/O operation for USB storage devices in units of 512 bytes, the default value being 240, i.e. 120KB (see http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#i5). The max_sectors value can be changed doing echo N ... as root, and can have a dramatic effect on write performance for USB devices such as pendrives. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Easy way to remove SELinux permissions?
Daniel J Walsh wrote: On 09/10/2009 11:19 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote: I think what is happening is this: gedit has been instrumented to preserve the security.selinux attribute on files. This works fine when SELinux is enabled, as SELinux applies a set of permission checks on setting its attributes and does not require a Linux capability / superuser access in doing so. But when SELinux is disabled, setting any attribute in the security.* namespace is restricted to CAP_SYS_ADMIN and thus non-root use of gedit will fail on the setxattr() call with EPERM. I would say that gedit should check SELinux enfocing mode and if disabled continue to work. I would expect it to check errno when the call to setxattr fails. It can fail for other reasons then a SELinux error. From the setxattr man page: RETURN VALUE On success, zero is returned. On failure, -1 is returned and errno is set appropriately. If XATTR_CREATE is specified, and the attribute exists already, errno is set to EEXIST. If XATTR_REPLACE is specified, and the attribute does not exist, errno is set to ENOATTR. If there is insufficient space remaining to store the extended attribute, errno is set to either ENOSPC, or EDQUOT if quota enforcement was the cause. If extended attributes are not supported by the filesystem, or are disabled, errno is set to ENOTSUP. The errors documented for the stat(2) system call are also applicable here. So if errno is ENOTSUP, I would expect gedit to continue without generating an error. It should probably do the same for EEXIST and ENOATTR... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with Fedora Research
S.W. Bobcat wrote: Hummm the Fedora Community It is a shame that the Fedora Leadership does not listen to fedora Users. Fedora 9. 10, and 11 have been pieces of junk because the Fedora Leadership keeps foisting things not ready for prime time and making them the Default: Examples Fedora 9 the introduction of KDE 4.0 which was intended for DEVELOPERS ONLY, the in Fedora 11 the introduction of whatever it was that was known before hand NOT to work with GRUB. KDE 4.x is not just braely useable, and I was never able to get Fedora 11 to even install. The Fedora Community?!? When are you going to start listening to USERS?!? I am a loyal Fedora USER, and it is a shame that the Fedora Leadership seems unwilling to listen to the complaints of its USERS. I'm still ising Fedora 8 and I'm hoping that in Fedora 12 the Fedora Leadership will have at long last started listening to its USERS. If Fedora 12 is another overhyped piece of garbage long on promises and short on delivery, I think that I'll simply start using CentOS. My message to the Fedora Leadership: FIX THE STUFF ALRADY IN FEDORA AND MAKE SURE IT WORKS BEFORE ADDING NEW HALF BAKED SOFTWARE. Why would you expect the developers to listen to you when you either have not read the list guidelines, or can not be bothered to follow them? Have you filed bug reports on what does not work for YOU? For me, there has not been anything much to file bug reports on, because the different versions have been working for me. I am running Fedora 10 on this desktop, and Fedora 11 on my laptop. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive
Cameron Simpson wrote: Copying /dev/zero is a fast way to get an arbitrary amount of data (my standard anecdote involves emptying it, which I did once on an ancient system). It will be faster than copying a real file since the read part is free. So you do the rm, then: cat /dev/zero /mnt/the-drive/ZEROES On a conventionaly filesystem that will do what you outline. I like dd if=/dev/zero of=drive to be zeroed. In any case, you do not want to do this to a mounted drive. If you cant to use cat to zero out a partation, try something like cat /dev/zero /dev/sde5 to zero out the 5th partition on drive e. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: howto play audio here and hear it there
Gerhard Magnus wrote: I'm running Fedora 11 with the gnome desktop on a small LAN. I'd like to run an audio player (say xmms) on box2 and hear it on box1, which is directly connected to my stereo. In the past I would connect to box1 from box2 via ssh and then run xmms from the command line. Now when I try doing this I get this message: Couldn't open audio. Please check that Your soundcard is configured properly You have the correct output plugin selected No other program is blocking the soundcard. I can play audio with problems from box1, so the soundcard must be OK. I have pulseaudio selected as the output plugin in xmms. (The same problem occurs with alsa and the other plugins.) It seems likely, then, that the problem is some other program is running on box1 that is blocking use of the soundcard. I have been thinking more on this. If you want to play sound when logged in to box 1, you could run pulseaudio --start and then run xmms. I have not tried it... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive
Dean S. Messing wrote: Thanks Rick. It's in D state only about 5-10% of the time. Yet disk writes are occuring (according to the spikes and numbers in gkrellm) for 1 second or so, every 2 seconds. So that either points to random number computation or the wait needed to let the new magnetic orientation 'set'. Not sure. Dean I would expect it to be write buffering. It may be the time it takes to fill the write buffers, and then write them to disk, and/or write buffering on the drive. I know how to turn off write buffering on a mounted partition, but not when writing directly to a drive. You can probably turn off drive write buffering using hdparm. You may be able to improve the time by tweaking the size of the writes to the drive. Take a look at the USB I/O performance thread. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Am I being punished?
Robert L Cochran wrote: So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says System Clock uses UTC? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System -- Administration -- Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things. This has been posted before... There is a registry tweak for for XP so that you can have the hardware clock set to UTC, and still have the time correctly displayed for the time zone you have set. It is supposed to bother some programs, but I have not run into any yet. (Then again, I don't run XP that often.) [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation] RealTimeIsUniversal=dword:0001 Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: howto play audio here and hear it there
Gerhard Magnus wrote: I'm running Fedora 11 with the gnome desktop on a small LAN. I'd like to run an audio player (say xmms) on box2 and hear it on box1, which is directly connected to my stereo. In the past I would connect to box1 from box2 via ssh and then run xmms from the command line. Now when I try doing this I get this message: Couldn't open audio. Please check that Your soundcard is configured properly You have the correct output plugin selected No other program is blocking the soundcard. I can play audio with problems from box1, so the soundcard must be OK. I have pulseaudio selected as the output plugin in xmms. (The same problem occurs with alsa and the other plugins.) It seems likely, then, that the problem is some other program is running on box1 that is blocking use of the soundcard. By default, PulseAudio only runs when a user does a GUI login. Two related questions: (1) Does anyone know what other program this might be (gnome?) and how I might get around the block? (2) Isn't this the sort of simple application pulseaudio was designed for? Shouldn't I be able to run xmms on box2 and use pulseaudio to play the output on box1? Has anyone been able to do anything like this with pulseaudio and, if so, what settings did you use and where did you set them? I have not tried this, so this may not work. But you could try editing /etc/pules/daemon.conf and changing ; system-instance = no to system-instance = yes. You will probably have to start pulseaudio from rc.local. (Please note that the ; at the start of the line was removed.) Once you have PA working correctly, you may want to play with the network capabilities of PA. You can set up a network sink on box 1, and a network source on box 2. You can then direct any output on box 1 to the network sink and have it play on box 2. This is one of the things on my to do list. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is YUM really a secure pacakage manager ?
Akshay Wattal wrote: Hi, Lately i did some research on security issues related to differnt package managers including YUM and found out that there can be some vulnerabilities in YUM. So far YUM checks the signature which is on each individual package,In this model, the package manager has no signatures to check until it gets to the point where it downloads the actual packages it intends to install. Keeping this in mind the vulnerabilities that are possible are as follows: Metadata Manipulation Attack: The attack in this case involves a malicious party responding to a package manager’s request by making their own metadata, There are two main things attackers can do First, they can mix-and-match the versions of packages that are listed. Second, they can trick clients into thinking that packages have different dependencies and provide different functionality than they really do. In mixing-and-matching vulnerable package versions by listing them in the same metadata given to a client, attackers make it more likely that, whatever new package a client installs, it is installing a version with a known vulnerability. I am not sure, but I think that Yum gets it dependencies from the RPM headers, not the metadata. Also, the version number of a package is in the RPM headers. It does not use the file name to determine the version. So an older version of the package would not be installed. If you mess with the headers to change the version number, the signature would not match. Freeze Attack: In this an attacker can keep giving the client a single version of the metadata starting at one point in time (that is, “freezing” the metadata), the attacker can prevent the client from knowing about new metadata and thus new packages that are available that fix known vulnerabilities. This only works if Yum uses the same mirror all the time. This is not the case by default. Endless data Attack: It involves a malicious party responding to a client request, be it for metadata or for a package, with an endless stream of data. The possible effects include filling up the partition where the package manager saves downloaded files or exhausting memory. These are few possible vulnerabilities which can be found in YUM. Thanks Well, for any of these to work, the attacker has to first get on the mirror list, or crack an existing mirror. Getting on the mirror list would probably be easier.. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: cannot play DVD's on Fedora 10 386
Kevin Kempter wrote: I did some more digging. /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom are both symlinks to /dev/sr0 the symlinks (/dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom) are both owned by user:group root:root and have 777 permissions any other thoughts? Thanks in advance Every symlink I have seen has 777 permissions. What counts are the permissions of the file it links to. [mikkel lib]$ ls -l /dev/dvd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-08-20 11:35 /dev/dvd - sr0 [mikkel lib]$ ls -l /dev/sr0 brw-rw+ 1 mikkel root 11, 0 2009-08-20 11:35 /dev/sr0 Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] Run LiveUSB on machine that can't boot from usbkey?
Mike Cloaked wrote: I have an old laptop that I use for testing new versions of Fedora - however although it will boot of a physical CD containing a LiveCD (say of F12 Alpha), it is old enough not to be able to boot off usb devices since the BIOS is not arranged to do so. So a usbkey that contains a LiveCD that works perfectly well on other machines won't play on this particular machine (Fijitsu-Siemens Amilo D 6800) Can anyone point me to a reference to work around this by booting off say an altered grub stansa in the HD which then refers to a plugged in usbkey to continue loading the LiveCD files from the usbkey? Or something similar? I usually try to avoid using optical media if possible for running both installs and testing LiveCDs. I can not find the link right now, but there are boot disks and CDs that will let you but from a USB device on systems that do not support it. I ran across it on one of the live-USB sites. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Multiple IP addresses without aliasing?
Ryan Lynch wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 17:36, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Yes, at least for IPv4. There is absolutely no support from the GUI, but you can manually install /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX:Y. For example, I have an ifcfg-eth1 and an ifcfg-eth1:1, with a second IP address. Just copy ifcfg-ethX to ifcfg-ethX:1, and stick in an additional IP address. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid--I don't want Fedora to add the 'eth0:0', 'eth0:1', etc. labels. I'm wondering if the init scripts support multiple addresses WITHOUT aliases. What is wrong with using the eth0:0 method? Is there some reason that it will not work for you? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 18:09:04 Brian Bentley wrote: I have ubuntu 8.1 on my laptop and installed fedora 11 on my desktop. I checked all my settings on fedora against ubuntu and they are the same. fedora says there is a connection but firefox says it is unable to locate the server and system update says problem connecting to software source. is there a command I can issue in the terminal that will allow internet access. I am not real famlar with terminal commands. Thanks Are you using a cabled or wireless connection? Do you let the modem/router tell your hardware what address to use? Info like this makes it easier for us to give you straightforward instructions. Anne First, the post needs a better subject. The only reason I noticed it was because Ann posted to it. Besides what Ann asked for, could you post the contents of /etc/resolv.conf? Depending on your answers, there will probably be more questions. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 12:32 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: Yet another reason that Network Manager needs to go away. It's a giant PITA. Works fine here, and does what network doesn't do. Seamlessly manage my laptop going from wired/wireless/no-network. I am using it on my laptop with no problems as well. I could use it on my desktop, and probably will if I even do a fresh install instead of an upgrade. It seams like most of the people that complain most about Network Manager are people that are ageist any changes that require them to learn something new... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 27/08/09 02:25, stan wrote: Problem solved. Not really. But thanks a lot for your help. You and Mikkel have given me the insight needed to understand what PulseAudio and Alsa is all about. I've seen that PA will only connect to card 0 which is the mobo audio chip. When I plug the speakers to that card I have sound through PA all right. The downside of it is that it is not what I want because the sound is much better through CS46xx (card 1). I have not yet switched from F10 to F11 and won't do that until I can get sound from CS46xx. Incidentally on F10 I can only get sound from CS46xx and only through Alsa :-) You should be able to change the order of the cards. In F10 it is system-config-soundcard under the settings tab. I am not sure what it is in F11. I have not tested it, but I think you can also create a file in /etc/modprobe.d with the aliases for the sound card as long as they use different drivers. If you can not set the order of the sound cards, you always have the option of exiting /etc/pulse/client.conf and defining default-sink = to the second sound card. I believe you can do that from pavucontrol - in the dropdown by the sink devices. I noticed in F11 that they changed the way they display the sink/sources - they no longer give the card name. When I get some time, I will write more detailed instructions if you need them. (Sorry for the long delay between posts - things have been busy!) Mikkel -- Yes, I'm a dirty old man ... and I'll be one until I'm a DEAD old man! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SSH and X forwarding not working from my laptop
Bill Davidsen wrote: Two other things to consider, unlikely but easy to check: 1 - had the sshd.conf file been changed Already checked and reported to the list. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: add an extra ip address to fedora server (one net card)
online.service@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I like to add an extra ip address to my fedora server. But here is my ifcfg-eth0 file in under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts directory DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Ethernet ONBOOT=yes there is no IPADDR field. Where possibly i can find IPADDR gets defined? Thanks! The reason there is not IPADDR is because you are using DHCP to get the IP address, as well as things like the netmask, DNS information, and gateway. This makes it hard to add a second address. The usual way to do it is with a static address, and using an alias to eth0 for the second address. (eth0:1) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum ??
Aaron Konstam wrote: That is sort of confusing . One would think that the file itself is the repo. This have confused me also for awhile. I am glad you cleared this up. One benefit of this is that you can have more then one repo defined in the same file. You could also list one or more repo in /etc/yum.conf. You can get much more information by reading the yum.conf man page. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 25/08/09 03:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Dumb question - what do you get when you run aplay -l? List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices [ SNIP ] That looks good. One other thing to check is the contents of /etc/asound.conf. I ran into a problem with this file once where it was pointing to the wrong device, messing up all sound. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: No longer getting auto-mounted drive partitions to /media?
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 09:01 +0100, John Austin wrote: I used gparted/F11 recently to format and label NTFS partitions on an external USB disk that is normally connected to a 32bit Vista laptop. I never thought about using gparted to relabel my SD card. Unfortunately, it doesn't even notice that the card's present on the system (I've just tried, now). I have to check in F11, but in F10, it sees SD, CF, and SM cards. (All I have to test with. The only problem is that it reports an unknown file system instead of a FAT32 file system. (I had never checked it before.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Broken downloads of FC11-x86_64 and other disturbances
li...@funkster1 wrote: Yeah, that's quite possible, mine is a little older already as well. It's an LG HL DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B Firmware A105 rated at 16x, like yours. Or maybe it's k3b, it's given me problems on more than one occasion. I'll start another bit-torrent dl right now and I'll see tonight how it goes. Thanks for all your comments guys Raphael ;) From what I have seen, it depends on a combination of the drive and the media you are using. The same media that gives problems in one model drive will work fine in another drive. Then again, sometimes different batches of disks of the same brand act differently. So sticking with the same brand does not always work. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SSH and X forwarding not working from my laptop
Gary Stainburn wrote: I'm sure I've reported this a while back but I can't find it in the archives. I'm having a problems connecting from my laptop to a number of my servers. It's not a solid fault, but it's fairly constant at the moment. I have a number of servers FC7 to FC10 that I connect to, as well as a number of FC10 workstations. These all work fine. However from my laptop I get the following when I connect: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. tcsetattr: Interrupted system call Last login: Wed Aug 26 11:13:21 2009 from gary.ringways.co.uk [r...@stan ~]# and then once I'm in the BASH command line editing doesn't work. Can anyone suggest where I can start looking into the problem. I'm not too bad with ssh but have no knowledge of xauth, konsole, BASH etc. Gary Dumb question - have you compared /etc/ssh/ssh.conf on your laptop to the same file on machines that do not give you trouble? It sounds like an xauth problem on the laptop... # If this option is set to yes then remote X11 clients will have full access # to the original X11 display. As virtually no X11 client supports the untrusted # mode correctly we set this to yes. ForwardX11Trusted yes # Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Whence commeth eth0?
Geoffrey Leach wrote: My ASUS MB returned from repair with ethernet device changed from eth0 to eth1 and a new MAC address. Is this information encoded on the chip (meaning that they replaced the chip) or ... ? Thanks. No - udev records the MAC address for each NIC, so that the names do not change if you add another NIC. But a side affect of this is that when you change NICs, then new on gets the next free name. You can sove your problem by deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. You may also need to edit the config file for eth0 if it also has the MAC address in it. (HWADDR=). When you reboot, the new NIC will be eth0 instead of eth1. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: I am getting more confused now. How do I then tell PulseAudio to talk to alsa? It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming network streams. Please note - you can have cards that are input only or output only. My TV tuner shows up only as an input device. Mikkel PS - there are also tweaks you can do to Alsa so that devices that output to Alsa are redirected to PA... -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SELinux, F11 issue?
Dave Stevens wrote: Hi, I have a dual hard drive setup with F7 on one drive and F11 on the other. Using the new F11 install I can't check my bank account online, something I do a lot. I only use one install at a time, powering down and changing cables from one drive to the other so that the installs don't interact. When I first installed F11 I became aware of this issue right away and figured SELinux might be the culprit so I disabled it, using the provided tool. No dice. I don't know what to try now, any suggestions? The site in question is www.bvcu.com. At the top right is a link with link text Personal. When in F7 I click that and get to a login page, with F11 I get a server not found error: Server not found Firefox can't find the server at www6.memberdirect.net. Thanks in advance, Dave Well, it is not a SeLinux problem. It may be your privacy settings, your java/javascript settings, or cookie settings in Firefox. It is possible that it is a DNS problem as well, but I would check the other settings first. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 24/08/09 21:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming network streams. In the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol I only see RTP Multicast Sink and Internal Audio and I don't know what they are. My output cards are Sound Fusion CS46xx and VIA 8237 and the latter is not used, in fact it is disabled in BIOS but a bug lets in stay enabled, so I need to be able to specify CS46xx. It's getting embarrassing. I still don't see how the various elements interact: the hardware sound cards, Alsa, PulseAudio, and the media player. I really don't think I ought to understand how they interact to get sound out of my speakers. But I am completely lost. I don't know where to start and where to end yet I am determined to find my way through the wilderness. I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the light yet. Dumb question - what do you get when you run aplay -l? It looks like Alsa may not be configured correctly. For example, on this machine I see ATI IXP - ATI IXP AC97 under the Output Devices tab. Under the Input Devices tab, I have ATI IXP - ATI IXP AC97 and Brooktree Bt878 - Bt87x Digital - I do not have any network source/sinks set up on this machine. The RTP Multicast Sink sends sound over the network. I am surprised that you have it enabled... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications -- Sound Video -- PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. The Playback window only has one down arrow at Show and it has three choices: All Streams, Applications, and Virtual Streams. I don't see any Move Stream and nothing about output channel. Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is somewhat premature in its present state of development? It sounds as if you do not have the application playing that you want to direct to another output. When it is playing, you should have 3 icons on the right side for your application, with the down arrow icon being the one farthest to the right. Pavucontrol is for controlling the output of playing applications. There is probably a way to set it up before you start playing, but I have never needed it in the past. I just purchased a USB audio device so I could play with that aspect of PA. I also have to play with the network capabilities one of these days... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is somewhat premature in its present state of development? You may want to visit http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Documentation for a better explanation then I can give... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list files but not directory
Steven W. Orr wrote:
Two things!
1. Bash syntax:
This will not work:
function lsp() { ls $@ less }
If you do it in one line then it would have to be
function lsp() { ls $@ less; }
Yes - I did forget the ; at the end of the command. Bad morning...
If you say ls less then you will only run the less command if the ls
command succeeds with a 0 exit status. I know this was a typo but I just
didn't want others to get confused.
I prefer not to have less run id ls exits with an error. That way,
if I run something like lsd *.html on a directory with no .html
files in it, I do not have to type the q to exit less.
*NEVER* use $@ without using double quotes. It is very bad luck and failure to
follow this advise will cause you to send 200 copies of stupid jokes to all
the people you know with aol addresses. And worse, you will end up knowing
more aol people.
Oops - definitely a good point!
What's the difference between an alias and a function? Simple: If you need to
pass arguments then use a function. I mention this because it's another of
those basic sources of confusion.
I nice explanation.
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Re: Epiphany package maintainer?
Steve Blackwell wrote: When I filed a bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592612 the response from the epiphany developers was Thanks for taking the time to file this bug report. Can you reproduce this problem with Epiphany 2.27.x with the WebKit backend? Because the Gecko backend has been discontinued, there will be no more bugfixes for versions 2.26 and earlier. This plainly says there will be no more bugfixes for version 2.26 and earlier. Now you say there will be bugfixes. Who am I to believe? Steve Both. The upstream developer is not going to fix bugs in 2.26 and earlier, but Fedora will backport bug fixes. This is not the only package they do this for. (Red Hat does even more of this.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list files but not directory
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
There is just one thing that baffles me here --- isn't a directory also a
file?
Given that, what you ask for is not an option to list only files, it is an
option to list everything except directories. In other words, you are asking
for an option that says list the directory contents, but omit certain
things.
The more appropriate way to do this is to use some form of filtering. Such a
thing does not naturally fit into a list of options of ls, IMHO. What you
actually do is perform two operations here --- list the contents, and then
filter it to display only some subset. Two operations should be done using
two
commands, the Unix Way. And the filtering approach gives you more flexibility
what file types to filter out. For example, is /dev/sda a file or a
directory?
How would this hypothetical ls option behave in this case? List it or not?
There are not *just directories and files* on the system. There are
*just files*. And these files might be regular files, directories, devices,
stdin/stdout, and who knows what else. You are proposing to add a single
option to ls in order to filter out one of these types. Why only this one
type?
Put a whole bunch of options in ls which could list only regular files, or
only
character devices, or only hidden directories or... Or better yet, don't put
any of that crap into ls, but pipe the ls output and filter it using a more
appropriate tool.
The completely analogous situation is with paging the output of ls. When I
first used ls on a directory with lots of files, the natural idea for me was
to
look into its man page to find some option that would split the output into
several screens and display them one by one. I failed to find such an option.
After some digging, I found that this is done via a pipe to less:
ls | less
And then after some learning I understood that this is actually the better
way
to do it (more powerful, more flexible, more clean, more useful). The same
situation is here with listing only non-directories.
The main problem is not lack of functionality, but that Windows-converts have
a frame of mind that makes a distinction between directory and file
concepts, and believe these concepts are fundamentally different and non-
overlapping. This is a Bad Idea, and it seems more appropriate to educate
users than to add options to ls which make it do things it is not designed
for.
Just remember: Do one simple thing and do i well. ;-)
And to carry this one step farther, you can create aliases or
function to do things you require often. For example, you could use
something like this:
function lsp() { ls $@ less }
so that you could run lsd instead of running ls | less.
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Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on Fedora 11 which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose and how is its syntax? There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications -- Sound Video -- PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. The config files are in /etc/pulse and ~/.pules, but don't ask me to explain the format... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list files but not directory
William Case wrote:
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 15:46 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
And to carry this one step farther, you can create aliases or
function to do things you require often. For example, you could use
something like this:
function lsp() { ls $@ less }
so that you could run lsd instead of running ls | less.
Mikkel
Or I could use:
]$ find . -maxdepth 1 -type f ! -name '.*'
or,
]$ find . -maxdepth 1 -type f ! -regex '^.*/\..*'
or,
]$ ls -hl | grep ^-
And I am sure there are a dozen seperate perl solutions out there!
Any of those would make a good function with a name that is easy to
remember so you don't have to remember the complicated command.
And on and on. Count the learning curves and side issues involved for
someone who just wants to see some text file that they wrote and saved
and that has seemed to 'disappear'. That kind of thing happens at the
start all the time.
Let me tell you about unnecessary learning curves. About 5 years ago,
when I installed Linux for the first time, I tentatively began to
explore the Gnome desktop and menu.
God, I have been at this longer then I thought. My use of Linux
predates the Gnome desktop...
I saw Vi(m) -- a text editor.
Thinking of M$ NotePad, I opened Vim in order to make my first notes to
myself about this new operating system. I couldn't write a word (I
didn't know about insert mode) and, determined not to solve problems by
just rebooting, it took me 4 -- let me repeat -- four hours to get out
of Vim. (Who would of thunk of escaping to normal mode and inputing a
':' to get to a command line.)
Yes, you should never try to use vi for the first time without a
cheat sheet! For that matter, I normally set EDITOR so I get the
editor of my choice by default instead of vi. (Another thing new
users do not know about...)
Most new users have already spent a considerable amount of time trying
to do the simplest thing before posting on users help list for the first
time out of fear of looking really really stupid. Suggesting stuff like
]$ find . -maxdepth 1 -type f ! -name '.*' or 'ls -hl | grep ^-'
just leaves their brains reeling. Particularly when they are in the
midst of trying to figure out how 10 to 20 other things work.
Yes, it would be better to give an explanation along with the
command. Some people do this better, and more consistently then others.
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Re: avidemux: trouble initialising audio device
Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:37:18 +0200 Roberto Ragusa wrote: If you run avidemux with the command pasuspender -- avidemux pulseaudio will be disabled until avidemux exits, so avidemux will access the ALSA driver. I don't think that's it. I have pulseaudio uninstalled on my system and I also see the messages about audio. I really wish I could just disable audio in avidemux, but haven't seen any way to get it to forget about audio. I don't know - I used to get errors like that before I started using PA when one program had not released the sound hardware before another program tried to use them. (The exact wording depends on the program generating the error message.) Dumb question - can you add a null audio device in Alsa like you can with PA to send the output to the bit bucket? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] Awardbios virtualisation setting
Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:11:32 +0100 John Horne wrote: IF I enable the setting, save it, and then power off the PC, and then power-on/reboot, it seems to work fine (virtualisation is enabled) until the next time I reboot the PC. It is then back to being disabled. That sounds more like a symptom of the battery on the motherboard being too weak to keep the settings if power is removed for a while. You might try replacing it and see if the setting sticks then. (And why on earth do all BIOSes always want to disable this by default? What on earth would it hurt to have it enabled?) I could see it being the battery if he lost them when he did the power off, but he only loses them on a warm boot. Maybe a BIOS problem when doing a warm boot? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problem identified: Flash locking /dev/snd (Re: F11: I keep losing audio)
Colin Brace wrote: Hi all, I have determined what has been causing audio to fail on my F11 system: Flash locks the sound device and subsequent applications can't output sound. A typical course of events is: first I play a YouTube video in Firefox or Epiphany. Then I try to listen to some tracks in Rhythmbox. The latter simply refuses to output. (This happens as well with VLC etc) --[ SNIP ]--- killing epiphany or npviewer.bin fixes things; rhythmbox begins playing music as soon as I do this. Does anyone have any ideas on how to keep Flash from *monopolizing* the sound device? I thought these kinds of issues were settled by ALSA/pulseaudio; that is to say, I didn't encounter this behaviour in earlier Fedoras. Dumb question - are all the applications configured to use PulseAudio? It sounds like Epiphany is using Alsa instead of PA, so it is grabbing the audio all for itself. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Discussion -- perhaps a trollette -- re: upgrades !
Tom Horsley wrote: Besides, all they need are some bind mounts of /proc/pid/fd to inherit file descriptors :-). That does not help with most of the environment - things like environmental variables, current directory, etc. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover
Arun Shrimali wrote: As you said I used the normal install disk and using rescue mode, I ask for continue and read only mode Continue -- Error processing LVM There is inconsistent LVM data on logical volume Vg-resobank-LogVol02. you can reinitialise all related PVs (/dev/sda1) which will erase the LVM metadata, or ignore which will preserve the contents. Ignore you don't have any Linux partition, press return to get a shell. The system will reboot automatically when you exit from the shell. And when we boot from HDD it give me following prompt : 1234f: any further help Arun I wish I had more ideas for you. I was trying to think of how to safely recover the LVs, but I don't know enough to sugest a safe way to do it... I wish I could be of more help! Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problem identified: Flash locking /dev/snd (Re: F11: I keep losing audio)
Colin Brace wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Dumb question - are all the applications configured to use PulseAudio? It sounds like Epiphany is using Alsa instead of PA, so it is grabbing the audio all for itself. It is possible this is what is happening, but I have consciously configured Epiphany and/or Flash this way. Maybe I have it reversed about what programs are using Alsa instead of PA. PA locks the sound ports while it is active, but if I remember correctly from past experience, it releases them when it is not playing anything... (I may not have that part correct...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: access USB devices from VirtualBox
Agile Aspect wrote: Try adding the following to /etc/fstab: none /sys/bus/usb/driversusbfs devgid=503,devmode=664 0 0 And then create a group 'usb' with a group id of 503. Dumb question - why not use the vbox group, as you already have to be a member of it to run VirtualBox? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System-Administration-Users and Group tool mismatch with adduser tool?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: The question is a general question, regardless of the distro, OSIT. Fedora starts @ 500 up Ubuntu starts @ 1000 up I am not sure if the administration tool itself is the same application for most distros, though. I am currently setting up on Ubuntu and I don't see any preferences button on this application. I will check on Fedora when I wrap up Ubuntu. I am specifically looking to where this app stores its data or expects to find its data if it is not accepting the data from passwd, group, ... files. It's possible it creates it's own database somewhere and expects no user has been previously installed, thus being fascist, me thinks, but I could be wrong. Look under Edit. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Discussion -- perhaps a trollette -- re: upgrades !
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 10:35 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: There are systems where it is required that live kernels be patchable with no downtime (things like space stations and nuclear reactor controllers), but it is fantastically complex to make work. I'd imagine that some of /those/ places would run dual computers in control, and one would automatically fallover to the other. You'd need that sort of redundancy so that you could perform repairs. I don't know about other countries, but in the U.S., they not only have backup computers, but they have backup control rooms for reactors. (In case something happens to the main one, or its control links.) They even have duplicate control runs that take different routes. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover
Please, do not post is HTML! Arun Shrimali wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Mikkel wrote: What happens when you try to boot? Do you get an error message? If so, what is it? /Boot disk failure/ If Grub is loading, you may be able to boot with the previous kernel. If Grub is not loading, you can probably use the install disk in the rescue mode to re-install Grub. /I tried to reinstall the grub with live CD, but it says file not found/ /Arun/ You are much better off using a normal install disk, or the net install CD, and using the rescue mode. You let it mount your file systems, and then run chroot /mnt/sysimage. You run grub-install from there. If this does not work, report back the error messages. Do not respond with a HTML message. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
Jud Craft wrote: I would like to run a script at login, but before gnome-panel and nautilus-desktop are launched (after gnome-session is okay, of course). Is there a place in the login/startup process that I can do this? With Gnome's Startup Applications, a script is not guaranteed to be executed before the rest of the desktop. You can try putting it in .xsession or .Xclients in your home directory. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System-Administration-Users and Group tool mismatch with adduser tool?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Being an old fart, I am used to adding users with the old adduser tool and I noticed that in doing so, using the System-Administrator-User and Groups tool does not even see the newly added users groups. So, how does one go about forcing this Gui tool into seeing what is in the /etc/passwd,group shadow files? Thanks! Dan Dumb question - are you adding UIDs and GIDs greater then 500? If not, you will need to uncheck the Hide System Users and Groups checkbox in order to see them. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:59 +0930, Tim wrote: Do you mean that alsamixer says something about how it's running, or that playing with the mixer levels in alsamixer leads you to that conclusion? Alsamixer just plays with the mixer controls, turning up/down PCM, CD, or other audio signals, still works even when pulseaudio is on your system. You're just adjusting the signals part way through the chain. Because if you run alsamixer when pulseaudio is running you get only one column whose volume you can manipulate (that is the Master) and the display says puylseaudio is running. If you remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and run alsmixewr you get a very different display where the levels of each sound source can be manipulated (CD. PCM, etc). It is clear that pulseaudio is not effectively running. Funny, when I run it, I get the Alsa mixer, even though I have Pulse Audio running. But I guess that is because the Alsa mixer was the one that I was using the last time I closed the mixer, and it remembers the last state it was in. In your case, it can not display the PA mixer if PA isn't running, so you get the Alsa one. But you can change the mixer you get by opening the drop-down menu to the right of where it says Device:. I actually have a choice of two different Alsa mixers - one for the sounds card, and one for the TV card. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover
Arun Shrimali wrote: Dear All, Recently I have loaded Fedora 11, but yesterday fedora refused to boot. on googling I have found that testdisk is the best tool to recover the data, but end of it ... Weather testdisk is the best tool depends on what the problem is. What happens when you try to boot? Do you get an error message? If so, what is it? If Grub is loading, you may be able to boot with the previous kernel. If Grub is not loading, you can probably use the install disk in the rescue mode to re-install Grub. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd
Michael Wright wrote: Hi List I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file like eg. simple Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso could someone help us out as i'm new to fedoracore Mike Being new to the Fedora mailing list, you probably should read Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines As far as the .iso image, it is a CD image. You normally burn it directly to a CD. It is also possible to mount the .iso image under Linux. To want to mount the image, try something like this: mkdir /mnt/iso mount -o loop Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso /mnt/iso Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running script after X starts
Timothy Murphy wrote: I disable the touchpad on my Thinkpad T43 by giving the command sudo synclient TouchpadOff=1 I've tried putting /usr/bin/synclient TouchpadOff=1 in /etc/rc.d/rc.local but this doesn't seem to work, I assume because it is run before X starts. I've also tried adding various lines in my SynapticsTouchPad stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , but none of these have had the desired effect. How can one add a script to be run after X starts? Or is there some other way of turning off my touchpad, and using the pointer instead? I'm running Fedora-11 + KDE. You cab try adding a script in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: naive live USB question
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:23:00AM -0700, David L wrote: I recently took a f11 live USB stick and used it to install f11 on a second USB stick (my hard drive crashed and I decided to temporarily just use a USB stick for a hard drive... that worked amazingly well by the way, but I digress). I was wondering why the live USB creation process can't just create the result of this process... ie, make the stick look like a normal disk instead of the persistent overlay thing? Not a naive question, but I guess the answer is, you don't need the Live USB creation process to do that -- you can just install to a USB key using the standard installer. The Live USB process grew out of the Live CD case, because it's a way to use one image in two different types of media. If you want a bootable stick that's simply a piece of media like a hard disk, you can do that with Anaconda at any time, booting either your system or a VM guest with boot or installation media, and then installing to the USB key. It also lets you put more information for the same size stick. This is because the CD uses a compressed file system. This works great for a Live CD where the only way to change things is to burn a new CD. (You can not write to the compressed file system. It also works well when you just need a small space for storage of your files. This works great for 2G and smaller sticks. When you start getting into larger sticks, it becomes possible to do a more normal install, with a limited package set. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC 11 Boot mode single user [recovery password]
Jerry Feldman wrote: Actually, before the umount, you probably want to exit the chroot shell. umount is important in that it forces all data to be written. If you did a proper shutdown, the file system mounted on /mnt/sysimage would be unmounted during the shutdown process, but my background goes back to older Unix systems where things were less stable than they are today. Would you even be able to run umount before exiting the chroot shell? I would expect you to run into problems with the file system being in use, the mount point not being visible, and the mount not listed in mtab until you exit the chroot shell. (Though I would expect it to be listed in /proc/mounts.) On the other hand, I would expect synce to flush the buffers to disk even in the chroot shell. But what I normally do is use exit to get out of the chroot shell, and exit again to get out of the rescue shell. This does a proper shutdown of the system. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
Alan Evans wrote: Ok. Given the totality of my experience so far combined with the many replies I've received in this thread, I was inclined to believe that starting with a Mac-formatted disk was really causing me serious trouble. I really need a working system here, so i decided to save an image of the hard drive and start fresh. I dd'd the hard drive onto another, external drive in case I ever wanted it back, then I used fdisk to fix the apparently broken partition table. For good measure, I even created a dummy partition and ran mke2fs on it to assure the drive was in good shape. Instead of using fdisk, use parted to create an empty partition, and then copy your installed partition back to the drive. parted will take care of all the little booking details so tha things should work. It is also faster then dd because it does not need to copy the unused parts of the partition - it understands file systems. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC 11 Boot mode single user [recovery password]
Jerry Feldman wrote: On 08/10/2009 09:01 AM, Tiago Araujo wrote: Dear, I need recovery password in FC 11. There is none. The best way to recover a lost root password is to boot the installation media, the root file system should be mounted on /mnt/sysimage, but if it is not, you can mount it by hand. The use the chroot(8) command to set /mnt/sysimage as your root, then use the passwd(1) command to change the password, then to be safe, unmount /mnt/sysimage. Example: (if the root file system is not mounted: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sysimage (assuming this is where root is) ) chroot /mnt/sysimage passwd --you will be prompted umount /mnt/sysimage The reboot. The umount is very important. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reset_Forgotten_Root_Password Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 08/09/2009 04:17 AM, Alan Evans wrote: I'm still confused about how anaconda can possibly mount a partition (two, including the boot partition) when fdisk thinks the partition table is invalid. The kernel is capable of dealing with HFS (Apple) partitions! I suspect that you failed to zero the MBR before moving the drive from the Mac to the Linux box. If you use the hfsutils or hfsplus-tools package you'll get a set of tools that can see the partitions for that drive. Thes tools are not installed by default. (yum info *hfs*) Good luck. I wounder if LILO would work? It doesn't under file systems at all. But I am not sure if the scripts run when you update the kernel work with LILO. Then again, the BIOS may refuse to boot if it does not find a DOS partition table. I could be way off base, but I suspect that the installer saw a MAC formated disk, and acted like it was installing on an iMAC. Before blowing away the install, it would be interesting to see if parted could salvage things. If nothing else, you could copy down the start/end of the partition, create a DOS partition table, and then use the numbers to re-create the partition. Just make sure you do not let parted format the new file system. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
gil...@altern.org wrote: I know MPlayer somehow learned about this problem... only occurring at radio-canada.ca, of course. One Quebecer must have written to them about it while nobody wrote to Totem. Of course, mediaplayerconnectivity, which was used before MPlayer fixed the problem, was invented only to watch radio-canada. Totem being in the business of canning green peas never heard about mediaplayerconnectivity. And so on. Totem never heard they had a problem. No doubt. How foolish of them - they must have only checked it to work on the media/sites they use, and counted on the user base to inform then when there are other sites that it doesn't work. Think of all that time wasted in fixing bugs and making improvements when they could be searching the Internet for sites and media that Totem doesn't work with. Mikkel -- You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
Tony Nelson wrote: If you just want to keep using the connection while a download is taking place, you might benefit from traffic shaping, and possibly from the Wonder Shaper (Google for it). I would think that the throttle option in yum.conf would work better for this. (man yum.conf) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:07 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here trying to make a difference. because most of us are not ungrateful and insulting. Please do not consider a handful of vociferous jerks as representative of the community. Craig Add me to the list of people that appreciate your work. While I do not need to use it to update my system, I like the convenience of it. I especially like the option of just installing security updates, or installing all updates. We should thank the developers for their hard work, but most of us never think to do it. (Me included.) But most of us are polite when making suggestions on how things could be changed to make them work better for us. We also understand that out suggestions may not be what is best for most users, and hope people will speak up if they are not. How are the developers supposed to know how their could be improved if we don't give them POLITE feedback? I believe that when writing to a developer, you should thank them for their work, and let them know that the change you are asking for would make the program work better for you. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
stan wrote: Your description and question aren't completely clear to me, but I'll try to answer. I think you're saying you can browse the internet with your computer and F10 over your dial up line, and you want to browse the internet via F10 and the dial up line using your cell phone too. I think if you want to do that, you have to get a bluetooth device for your computer, and then install the Fedora tools for bluetooth (bluez?). Your cellphone has to be bluetooth capable as well. And the cellphone has to have a browser. Then you have to configure everything to work together. I don't have or use this, but that's how I understand the process. Maybe someone else has direct experience or this exact setup and can advise you more accurately. It is also possible that their is a data cable for the phone so you can use it as a modem. Not that I know enough about his setup to be sure. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran sh). In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source command. This is documented in the manpage. IMHO, this is a Bug. source: usage: source filename [arguments] The command source take a file (-f, 644) and not a executable (-x, 755), like do ls fil, cat file, sh file, awk file, and many other command. So, if I run source file, source must use file, like do other command. Well, source is a built-in command, so it acts different if you are using Bash in the sh (posix) mode instead of bash mode. So you may need to give the full path to the file. From the bash man page: source filename [arguments] Read and execute commands from filename in the current shell environment and return the exit status of the last command executed from filename. If filename does not contain a slash, file names in PATH are used to find the directory containing filename. The file searched for in PATH need not be executable. When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is searched if no file is found in PATH. If the sourcepath option to the shopt builtin command is turned off, the PATH is not searched. If any arguments are supplied, they become the positional parameters when filename is executed. Otherwise the positional parameters are unchanged. The return status is the status of the last command exited within the script (0 if no commands are executed), and false if filename is not found or cannot be read. So I don't think it is a bug, but a compatibility feature. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
stan wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:16:43 -0500 Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: It is also possible that there is a data cable for the phone so you can use it as a modem. Not that I know enough about his setup to be sure. That interpretation didn't even occur to me - using the cell phone as an additional access point to the internet via dialup. The computer would have to have a modem in order to use the landline as an access point. So it is just a matter of connecting the modem and cell phone, as you suggest, through a (telephone) cable. Then the process should be identical to that used for the landline. I was thinking more of the data cable available that make the phone look like a modem to the system. For a lot of Motorola phones, it is a USB standard USB cable with a 5 pin mini-USB connector on the phone end. You put the phone in the modem mode, and it responds to AT commands. You may have to dial a number, or you may use one of the extended AT commands. There are extended AT commands that will also let you use it to send/receive SMS messages. The thing is, when in the modem mode, the phone looks like a modem USB or bluetooth modem to the system, depending on how you connect to it. This may be what the OP is trying to do... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared... (SOLVED)
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: Hello Everyone I am running a Fedora 11 system based on the Supermicro SuperWorkstation 5046AXB. It has approximately 10-12 USB ports, with two on the front of the machine that are very handy for my camera and card reader. Unfortunately, those two ports in front seem to have disappeared as far as Fedora is concerned. Hello Everyone... UGGGH! Sorry for the noise. At least now the fix to my problem is about to be documented in case anyone else has the same problem. It it a combination Hardware/Brain Matter issue :) You are not the first person, nor will you be the last person, that has asked the list for help on what turns out to be a hardware problem. It is not always easy to know when you start troubleshooting. This is especially true when you didn't think you did anything that would have caused the problem. I don't think it is a problem if you ask about hardware problems on the list anyway. There are a lot of people on this list that have run into unusual hardware problems and can recognize the symptoms, and know what to check to be sure. P.S.: Hey Mikkel: I am now wrapping my plain text email messages at column 68 (again, this is in KMail.) I'm looking forward to seeing the results. It sound take care of it. This reply should let us know for sure. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GRUB question
Craig White wrote: personally, I think it is too risky but it's your setup... dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=446 count=1 You asked what is the best way, I answered but apparently you don't like best way answers. Craig Is that going to work? Grub first stage relies on the physical position on the disk to find stage 1.5. Is the physical position going to be the same on the new disk? I didn't think gparted maintained the physical location when coping file system it understands. I know I have run into problem before - grub-install works better for me. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interrpreting modifier codes in /etc/inputrc ??
William Case wrote: Thanks Tom; On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:25 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:13:14 -0400 William Case wrote: Is there a tutorial or manual that explains or shows what those modifer codes mean. That is, I know \e must mean ESC key but what does the various other codes (e.g. [1~) mean -- for sure. I'm pretty sure it just means those characters literally. The various vt100 and greater style terminal emulations most commonly used in things like gnome-terminal and xterm all generate escape sequence that look like that. You are right -- if I type the those characters literally, the readline command is performed. The question then becomes finding out which keys generate those escapes (but the odds are good it will be the obvious ones like home and end, etc). That is the hard part. what keys are equivalent to \e[1;5C and/or \e[5C. I would like to bind readline keys universally and systematically so that they don't interfere with other key setups (keymaps ?? such as Gnome has) yet can be easily remembered from terminal to terminal. I could (and probably will) just create some new key bindings but I thought they should bear some resemblance to the existing binding. I am lazy - for moving back forth is a line, control of the arrow keys moves word instead of character. Control of backspace deletes deletes to the beginning of the word, and control of delete deletes to end of word. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: windows XP deleted bootloader,need to reinstall it
devesh gade wrote: hi friends!! I had windows xp and fedora 9 in dual boot mode.Recently,I formatted my windows XP. during this process,XP had deleted the boot loader of fedora. I have tried to reinstall the boot loader by the installation cd in the rescue mode but it does not work. I also did a bit of googling and followed steps: Inserted installation cd in rescue mode and then following commands at the prompt: 1 grub 2 root (hd0,0) 3 setup (hd0) 4 exit 5 reboot However even after rebooting the grub screen does not show up at startup and Windows XP boots by default. Now,how do i get linux started?? Or to say the least, how do i install the boot loader?? Try letting the resque mount your file system, run chroot /mnt/sysimage and run grub-install /dev/sda instead of the grub commands. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: Hello Everyone I am running a Fedora 11 system based on the Supermicro SuperWorkstation 5046AXB. It has approximately 10-12 USB ports, with two on the front of the machine that are very handy for my camera and card reader. Unfortunately, those two ports in front seem to have disappeared as far as Fedora is concerned. I can plug my card reader into a port in the back and it automounts right away. But plugging anything into the front two ports does nothing. Nothing in /var/log/messages, nothing... Just to be sure I unplugged the cable that those two ports are connected to and plugged it back into the motherboard. Still nothing. My bios is set to support 12 USB ports. The really strange thing is that I have knowingly done nothing to cause this. The only thing that I can think of is that I just installed a DVD burner and perhaps something got damaged then. Unfortunately I can't remember if I have used those USB ports since I put the DVD burner in. I have even tried booting into a different kernel, to see if that might be the issue. No joy... I'm hoping it is as simple as getting a new one of the removable unit that contains any optical drives I might have, in addition to the power button, reset button, two USB ports and assorted lights. Thank you in advance for anything you can do to help me :) Steven P. Ulrick Dumb question - can you plug in something like a USB light and see if it powers up? It does sound like a hardware problem. If it does not, check if you plugged in the connector on the motherboard 1 row down from where it should be. With some motherboards it is almost impossible to see the pins because the plug blocks your line of site. If possible, try plugging the cable into another connector as well. With 12 USB ports, I am guessing you have more then one header. Mikkel -- I am not a number, I am an individual with a unique number. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: Dumb question - can you plug in something like a USB light and see if it powers up? I'll have to try getting something like that. It does sound like a hardware problem. If it does not, check if you plugged in the connector on the motherboard 1 row down from where it should be. With some motherboards it is almost impossible to see the pins because the plug blocks your line of site. That would not account for the fact that I have to try to figure this out to beging with. So I might have put it back in the wrong place, but everything used to just work correctly when it was plugged in the place that it was before. It could be that when you installed the DVD drive, you could have snagged the cable, or if you have one of the cases that requires you to remove the front to install a drive, it could have happened then. Also, I thought of one other thing to test - does the cable also plug into the front of the case? If so that may be partly disconnected. You should also check you manual, and see if there are jumpers to select the power source for the USB ports. It is not unusual for there to be an option to use 2 different 5v sources - one that is always on, and one that is only one when the system is awake. This is to allow things like USB keyboards to wake the system up. I know things are not supposed to just stop working. But if it were a software problem, I would it to affect all the USB ports, or show the same problem regardless of the port you plug into. Usually, there is one root hub for each pair or each 2 pair of USB ports, so it is possible to lose some ports without loosing all the USB ports. If possible, try plugging the cable into another connector as well. With 12 USB ports, I am guessing you have more then one header. I will be very happy to try that later. You'd think with support for six sticks of RAM of up to 4gigs each, the possibility of six SATA hard drives and two onboard network connectors that I would probably have another place to plug the two front USB ports into... I like Thank you for your help so far, Steven P. Ulrick P.S.: Is the wrapping on the message I sent messed up? If it is I'd like to know so I can fix it somehow. I am using the KMail component inside of Kontact that is the current version in Fedora 11. Only with the quoting. That always happens when you get a couple levels of quotes. Mikkel -- No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: I just tried setting the column that text is wrapped at from the original 80 to 85. On MY system that fixed the quoting issues of my parts of messages. I never saw a problem from your end, it was all in my portions of the messages... Steven P. Ulrick I have the wrap when writing a message set to 68 characters. That way, you can get a couple levels of quotes before you run into problems.(Wrap plain text messages at 68 characters.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: Hello Jack Using the following command: grep -i usb dmesg I got the following: http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/dmesg-20090806 grep -i hub dmesg returned the following: hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 6 ports detected hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 6 ports detected hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected hub 5-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 5-0:1.0: 2 ports detected hub 6-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 6-0:1.0: 2 ports detected hub 7-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 7-0:1.0: 2 ports detected hub 8-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 8-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Anyone's help in interpreting all of this is greatly appreciated. Steven P. Ulrick You really need the messages before the USB messages to tell what is going on. Each USB port is usually connected to two hubs, One for USB 1.1 and one for USB 2.0. I suspect that the 6 port hubs are USB 1.1, and the 2 port hubs are USB 2.0 because of the speed difference. You can find out by running lsusb and comparing the bus number with the USB number: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub You may also want to take a look at /proc/bus/usb/devices. You may find it more readable then lsusb -v. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
Ed Greshko wrote: Craig, Craig, Craigyou fail to understand. He wants you to find the info for him so that he can disagree with you and then reopen his discussion about market share. As evidenced by his most recent post...he also wants people that disagree with him, and who call him out, to buzz off. In other words, the only dissent he is thinks should be tolerated is his dissent. Frankly, I would killfile him but sometimes I need the humor to brighten up my days. (Too bad it then devolves into depression). Just rememberthe only opinions that matter are his. Ed, you brightened up my day. I don't always agree with you, but in this case I couldn't have said it better myself. Great job! :) Mikkel -- No boom today... boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Susan Ivanova B5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: low-level formatter for linux
Markus Kesaromous wrote: Why I need to do low level formatting? Disk monitor is reporting 93 uncorrectable sector errors. Time to download the manufacturer's diagnostic disk, or the Ultiate Boot CD ( http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ ) and run their tests on the drive. As other have stated, you can not run a low level format on modern drives. The test program will usually produce an error code you can use to get an RMA for the drive if it is under warranty. While not completely true, it requires plugging into the diagnostic connector on the drive, and sending the correct commands. Not something even most advanced user are normally equipped to do. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Methods of setting Disk Partitions.
Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Is there a better way to setup the disk partitioning? Usually, I've let the installation just create the partitions, and it has created the small boot partition and then the LVM with the rest of the space. With smaller disk this is OK, but with large disks the LVM partition is huge, so doing image backups takes like 1 hour 30 minutes for a 250GB disk. I've tried to adjust the size, but the best method I've come up with so far is this. Just installed a new X64 system with a 500GB disk, and ended up during the install switching to screen 2, and using fdisk to create a 200MB /dev/sda1 and 40GB /dev/sda2 and then created a FAT32 partition /dev/sda3 with the rest of the space. Then wrote the setup to disk. Then used fdisk to delete the first two partitions. Then continued with the install, and told it to use free space, and it installed just using space at the beginning. After finishing, I was able to reformat the /dev/sda3 to ext4 as a test. This way I can quickly do an image of the boot and the LVM parition to be able to restore the machine if needed. Thanks. During install, you can do custom partitioning. You may want to create more then one volume group, depending on how you plan on using the drive. Or you can skip the creating of volume groups, and just use disk partitions. But if I remember correctly, you are limited to 16 partitions with the current drivers. If you have already installed, and want to change sizes, I would boot off a live CD and use Logical Volume Management from the System -- Administration menu to change things. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 install update repo
Mark Haney wrote: I just installed F10 for the first time on a server here. The installation went swimmingly, but the first time I ran 'yum update' I got this: Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10arch=i386 error was [Errno 4] IOError: urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known') Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. Please verify its path and try again Can someone clue me in to the problem? Dumb question - is your network up? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to rescue an encrypted root filesystem?
Derek Tattersall wrote: Well, I screwed up. I tried to upgrade from f10 to f11, and it seems to have failed. It gets partway through the boot up and throws a bunch of errors regarding missing libraries. I would like to rescue some data off of the disk before I reformat it and try again, however I chose the encrypted file system option when I installed f10 originally. So, I boot the machine with the f11 live cd, and that works, but how do I mount the hard disk? What encryption method did f10 use by default when I set up the disk originally? blowfish, aes? What set of arcane and cryptic commands do I have to use to mount the hard disk within the live cd? I backed most everything up before I tried to upgrade, but there still some things I would like to recover if I can. It's no huge loss if I have to reformat and start over, but I'd still like to try to get some stuff off of the hard disk. Thanks. Derek Tattersall You would probably have better luck booting with the F10 install media, and choosing to rescue an existing installation. If you tell it to mount you file system, it will ask you for your encryption password. You can then copy what you need to other media. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Advice to a newbie.
Oluwafemi Akinwa wrote: I'm a newbie to linux. Can anybody put me through on how to install my applications on fedora 11 ? Because you are a newbie, let me give you a couple of pointers. The first thing is to read the list guidelines! Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines You have made a couple of mistakes that will cause a lot of people to ignore your message. The first thing is the subject - it does not tell us anything about your problem. You should also start a new message instead of replying to the digest. Second, you should NOT include the ENTIRE digest in your message. Now, for installing software - you can use yum, or one of the GUIs like yumex. You may also want to look at the entries under the System menu in the top tool gar. (If using Gnome - the default desktop.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speaking of language support...
Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:22:42 +0300 Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: What's wrong with you people? I don't think it is dangerous, I just wonder what the heck the anaconda installer is asking about languages for when it seems to install a gazillion language related things anyway. It is setting the default language. The user has the option of changing it for his/her login. I am not sure if it changes the language the logs are in - I have never checked. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speaking of language support...
Hiisi wrote: No, it won't. I'm running finnish interface. CUPS logs are in pure english. But many other things in terminal or in boot stage are in finnsh. Maybe you should file a request for enhancement to get log messages messages in the system language instead of English. It is something that needs to be done, but if nobody asks for it, it will not get done... There is also a need for people to translate messages into other languages. Mikkel -- Registered Linux User #16148 (http://counter.li.org/) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speaking of language support...
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 13:08 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Hiisi wrote: No, it won't. I'm running finnish interface. CUPS logs are in pure english. But many other things in terminal or in boot stage are in finnsh. Maybe you should file a request for enhancement to get log messages messages in the system language instead of English. It is something that needs to be done, but if nobody asks for it, it will not get done... There is also a need for people to translate messages into other languages. I work almost entirely in a Spanish-speaking environment, but I've actually found that most computer professionals are much happier with system messages and logs in English and many prefer even menus to be in English. Maybe that varies according to which part of the world we're talking about, but the fact that the English-language messages are standardized is a huge factor (e.g. you can look them up in Google). Another factor is the wildly variant translations one finds for the same terminology across different apps and translators. Having the option is probably good, but it's interesting that localizing these kinds of messages can actually impede comprehension. insert comparison with medieval Latin or diplomatic French here poc I stand corrected. You have reminded me of some of the strange translations of tech manuals written in other languages into English. I especially like the earth wire. (Ground wire.) I have to admit being limited to English. I have forgotten the French and German I learned years ago... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: udev rules -- file names -- just wondering??
William Case wrote: Hi; I am looking at /etc/udev/rules.d, particularly 90-alsa.rules and noticed that all the udev rules files are preceded by a number in their name. Is that number significant? Or is it used just to avoid duplicate names? I was looking to see if I could chase down why undev produces a wierd beep when it initiates on boot. It controls the order that the rules are processed. This can be important if a rule stops further rule processing for a specific device. The rules do not have to have a number, but it makes fowling the order of rules easier. The processing order it the same as the sorted ls order. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: cli guru needed
Bazooka Joe wrote: Is there a way to combine these 2 commands to cut my time in half? VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw file.vdi file.raw then I have to run dd if=file.raw of=/dev/sdb -thx You can can command on the same command in several ways. It depends on what you put between the command. ; - always run the next command. - run the second command only if the first command is successful. || - run the second command if the first one fails. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatically grant user permission to use USB scanner in F11 x86_64
stan wrote: I managed to get a usb scanner working for root, but I don't want to always have to go into /dev/bus/usb/002/ and change the permissions so a regular user can use it. Is there an elegant way to allow a regular user to run xsane for a USB scanner? That works even when it is not present at boot but is hot plugged later? I didn't find anything in a web search, though there were hints that this could be done through udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d somehow. There doesn't appear to be a scanner group or a usb group to add my user to, and I think that creating an fstab entry with user permissions like cd and dvd for usb is obsolete. So, what is the solution? There used to be a rule set for scaners in /etc/udev/rules.d that created a scanner symlink, and set permissions. But can't seem to find it any more. This makes me suspect that HAL or ConsoleKit has taken over. It is possible that your scanner is not being recognized by the software... If so, this would be a good time to file a bug report so they can add it to the list. In the mean time, you can write a udev rule to set permissions on the device. Does ls /dev/scanner* show a symlink for the scanner? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatically grant user permission to use USB scanner in F11 x86_64
stan wrote: On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:43:51 -0500 Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: There used to be a rule set for scaners in /etc/udev/rules.d that created a scanner symlink, and set permissions. But can't seem to find it any more. This makes me suspect that HAL or ConsoleKit has taken over. It is possible that your scanner is not being recognized by the software... If so, this would be a good time to file a bug report so they can add it to the list. Yeah, it is a scanner that hasn't been supported in sane before this (Visioneer OneTouch 7400, the Visioneer OneTouch 7300 is supported), so there will be lots of things to do. I'll be reporting to sane, so maybe it will get fixed via upstream. If they use the same protocal, then it is mainly a matter of adding the usb ID. In the mean time, you can write a udev rule to set permissions on the device. Does ls /dev/scanner* show a symlink for the scanner? In my searching so far, this seems to be obsolete because it used the scanner module in the kernel. The modern solution is to use libusb for usb scanners. Do you want a quick and dirty fix, or a somewhat better, but more complicated fix? Simple fixes: mount -o remount,devmode=664,gid=group_number /proc/bus/usb Replace group_number with the number of the group you want to give access. Maybe create a scanner group. mount -o remount,devmode=666 /proc/bus/usb This gives access to everybody. The problem with both of these is that it gives access to all the USB devices. A more complicated solution involves a udev rule tailored to your scanner that sets the ownership/permissions for the device. I have a setup like that for allowing specific devices to be used in VirtualBox virtual machines if you want it. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to sort a file -
Bob Goodwin wrote: I have a file of Netgear router data that I would like to sort on date and time. the form is as below: [Site allowed: weather.noaa.gov] from source 192.168.1.9 Saturday, Aug 01,2009 17:02:51 [Site allowed: safebrowsing-cache.google.com] from source 192.168.1.11 Saturday, Aug 01,2009 17:00:16 [Site allowed: safebrowsing.clients.google.com] from source 192.168.1.11 Saturday, Aug 01,2009 17:00:13 The router appears to accumulate data until full and then clears at some point and starts a new block of data. I can collect the data periodically [perhaps at 30 minute intervals, whatever works for me] and append it to a new file I called home/bobg/NG-LOG but this leaves me with a jumble of date/time information since the raw log data is in descending order of date/time and I am adding the latest data in the same order but at the bottom so the list it may show 16:00-15:30 followed by the latest block on the list 16:30-16:00. I need to either sort the data as a function of time or append the new data to the beginning of the NG-LOG file instead of the end. I don't know where to start on this? I'm probably missing something obvious but ... Any suggestions appreciated. Bob You may want to look at the sort command. If you set ',' as your delimiter, and tell it to use the second field, it will only sort on Aug 01,2009 17:00:13. I am not sure if the -M option will do the trick for you or not. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Camera/F-spot problems
Steve Blackwell wrote: It's been a while and several versions of Fedora since I tried this but F-spot used to start automatically when I plugged my camera in to a USB port. Now it doesn't but I see the appropriate USB messages in the system log that show the device is recognized correctly. What does happen is that after a minute or so I see a camera icon appear on the desktop and I can click on the icon and a Nautilus window opens with a message at the top saying this media contains digital photos and a button that says Open F-spot Photo Manager. F-spot does not open when I click on this button and there are no system messages. I can open F-spot manually from the Applications menu but it does not know that a camera is attached to the computer and I don't see a way to tell it where to find the camera. In the end this is just inconvenient because I can get to the picture through the Nautilus window but does anyone else have similar problems and/or any solutions? You can go into System -- Preferences -- Personal -- File Management and pick the Media tab. You can set what happens when different types of media are inserted. I suspect yours is set to do nothing for Photos. (Users of F11 have a different menu path.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: headless setup
Bazooka Joe wrote: Hi, I need to configure f11 to redirect output to the serial port. I looked at the inittab which doesn't look like the right file to edit. btw i have run level 3 and no x already. thx bazooka You may find this site useful: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.html Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Fedora, openSUSE, and Ubuntu, too. The suggested setting autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf plus running pulseaudio -k plus configuring audio players to use alsa drivers doesn't work for all users. Last time I tried it myself, I got socket errors and no audio. I had to run yum -y remove pulseaudio as a work-around to actually remove several deps, too. How about going to the list of programs that are started when you log in, and unchecking PA? I have not tried it, as PA works for me, but it should work. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hi fedora Users ,i am new to fedora.
Karthikeyan Loganathan wrote: Hi fedora Users ,i am new to fedora. I downloaded 11g(383DVD) fedora recently.And i burned that iso image in DVD. When i installed ,i am getting *kernel panic not syncing attempted to kill init* .during Booting itself and the lights are blinking continously. I have serached google ,but i am not finding correct solution. If anyone of you got this problem,can you correct me. Welcome to the Fedora mailing list. It would be a good idea to read the list guidelines, as it has several points that will help you get answers. Two problems that stick out in your message is the subject doesn't give a clue to your problem, and you should not post in HTML. Many people on the list will skip your message because of these problems. Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Now, on to your problem. It sounds like you have a bad DVD. I would first check that your image downloaded properly. If the sha26sum matches, then I would try burning the DVD at a slower speed. There is also an option on the DVD to check if it was burned correctly, but I am not sure if yours will get that far. It is definitely a bad DVD. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gnome-volume-control channel levels (Solved)
Misha Shnurapet wrote: $ alsamixer -c 0 set the sound levels to what you like and test it out. Once you are satisfied with sound levels, run $ su - passwd: # /sbin/alsactl store I tried to run alsamixer, but there wasn't such command. I found out that the package alsa-utils was not present (I might have deleted it along with its 32-bit version). I installed it back, and then I didn't have to do anything else. :) It is amixer, not alsamixer. (Strange, I know.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dialup from a fedora machine
Stuart McGraw wrote: Hello all, I am having a bit of an emergency. I just lost my regular medium speed internet connection and am going to need to use dialup until I can buy some replacement equipment. So I am trying to setup ppp/dialup (anyone remember that? :-) on my Fedora 11 machine (something I did years ago in FC4 days). I have a USR-5610B modem in a pci slot. But Fedora seems not to notice it -- when I reboot Anaconda fails to notice any new device and I see no /dev/modem. Not sure what to check. I think the modem is ok as I have two of them and the same problem with both. AFAIK, the modem is real modem, not one of those Win-modem things. Is there anything special I need to do to make Fedora aware of this thing? Believe it or not, network manager can create a dialup connection. The big thing is specifying the correct modem device. (After making sure the modem works in Linux...) Before you can create a dialup connection, you have to add your modem to the hardware list. I am not running F11 on this machine, so if you need specific instructions, let me know and I will fire up the laptop. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dialup from a fedora machine
Stuart McGraw wrote: I tried wvdialconf but it says, sorry, no modem found. Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial? Not sure what that last bit means but I think setserial needs a serial device to configure and it is that device that I seem to be missing. NetworkManager too wants a device to talk to, with /dev/modem being the default but since there is no such device (nor anything I see that looks like it would be an emulated serial device that talks to the pci modem card), I wasn't able to do much with that. I found a USR support page which lists Linux as a usable OS and a rpm which looks a little small to be a driver but I'll see. /dev/modem is the default, and is a symlink to the real modem device. Don't be surprised if the device turns out to be somethings strange. On my laptop, the modem ends up being something like /dev/ttySL0, and the symlink was not created for me. Depending on the modem, you may find this site helpful. http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Linmodem-HOWTO.html#toc3 Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: g2c
Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, With Fedora11 x86_64D When I link my file with -lg2c I get the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lg2c I am using: compat-gcc-34-g77-3.4.6-9.i386 so I need to add: -L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.4.6 something that I did not need to do with fedora10 i386 (/usr/lib/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/3.4.6/) For compatibilty reasons, I would like to avoid to have to modify my Makefile. Thank. Dumb question - shouldn't there be a space between -l and g2c? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems after a yum upgrade from F10 to F11
stan wrote: I tried one of those and it didn't work. But that brought up a message saying I just had to hit enter to see the available modes on my machine. So try vga=795 on the kernel line (which was invalid here), and you should be able to hit enter for a list of all modes available on your machine. I saw 80x25 on my list. Because the wikipedia pages says there are no standards anymore for this, it probably depends on your hardware what is available. My guess is that normal went away as a definition (or was changed) between F10 and F11. Even easier - use vga=ask - it works on all systems. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about alsamixer:CD
Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress. One question that remains after years of fedora: In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available under preferences is CD. My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control. I've connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no effect. (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?) So here's the 50cent question. Just what does the CD input control? Inquiring minds want to know ;/ It controls the input labeled on CD on the sound card. This will only produce output if you have the analog audio cable between the CD-ROM drive and the sound card. The reason you use the PCM input to control the CD volume is because the player is getting the data from the drive over the (S)IDE interface, and feeding the digital data to the PCM input of the sound card. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about alsamixer:CD
Mike Wright wrote: I just tested that setup. Make sure audio cable is in place; attach kb volume controls to CD; play CD; test CD volume control on alsamixer; test kb volume controls: no effect. To make sure I rebooted and checked BIOS controls for sound (none). I guess it's possible the m/b CD input and/or the audio cable is broken. But at least I've found a viable means of controlling sound so I'm a happy camper now. Make sure that the application is set to use analog rather then digital output from the CD-ROM drive if you want to use the analog cable. The other thing to be careful about if you added the cable is to make sure it is wired correctly. Some are wired wrong for specific combinations of CD-ROM and sound card. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: LMV2 boot from another Volume Group?
Tony Nelson wrote: I have two hard drives I want to boot from, each with its own LVM2 Volume Group. I can boot from the one on the same drive as Grub, but not from the other one. Apparantly, only Logical Volumes from the boot drive's Volume Group are detected before / is mounted (something about activation, perhaps?). Googling only shows how to detect Volume Groups and activate Logical Volumes after / is mounted. I can't find any kernel LVM parameters that would affect this (and I'd need the LVM stuff built-in to the kernel, not as a module). Can Linux use a Volume Group that isn't on Grub's boot volume? Must I add a boot partition on the second disk and chainload to it? What do you mean by boot from each drive? Are you talking about selecting what drive to boot from in the BIOS, or selecting what drive is / by setting the root=something in /boot/grub.conf? Second question - do the two VGs have different names? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Option to select desktop
RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Thank you for the reply. I have installed 'switchdesk' package and also created the /etc/sysconfig.desktop file, but it not working. What should I do next? Kishore First thing - please do not top post, and post in HTML. Please see Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines If you use /etc/sysconfig/desktop, only use one DESKTOP line - that will be the default desktop. If you use switchdesk, you run it as a user after you log on, and it sets the desktop for that user. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Option to select desktop
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: If you use /etc/sysconfig/desktop, only use one DESKTOP line - that will be the default desktop. If you use switchdesk, you run it as a user after you log on, and it sets the desktop for that user. I forgot to add that if you do not have more then one desktop installed, non of this is going to work. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
