Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Gene Heskett wrote: Nor have they AFAWK, made any attempt to relay the condensed gist of the bitches back to the PA people. If there is not a comm channel, it will never get fixed, it really is that simple. But it is not at all clear whether your problems have anything to do with

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Craig White wrote: clearly the people with problems with pulseaudio are in the minority or it would have been removed. Sadly, this is nonsense. How do the pulseaudio developers know what percentage of users have problems with it? As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: I've had mixed results with pulseaudio. I have wondered if we can totally rip it out, or if it's become another one of those required things. What I find completely baffling about pulseaudio is that in my case it doesn't seem to make the slightest difference whether it is working

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Alan Cox
How do the pulseaudio developers know what percentage of users have problems with it? Bugzilla count ? As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of poll to find what problems users might have. Nor with the kernel, cat, ed, cp ... so that is rather a silly point. Also it

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 13:20 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: What exactly is pulseaudio meant to give someone like me, who is only interested in the most basic aspects of computer sound? The furthest my ambitions would ever reach would be to plug headphones into my laptop and listen to Bob Dylan.

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 25 August 2008, Timothy Murphy wrote: Tim wrote: I've had mixed results with pulseaudio. I have wondered if we can totally rip it out, or if it's become another one of those required things. What I find completely baffling about pulseaudio is that in my case it doesn't seem to make

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 25 August 2008, Alan Cox wrote: How do the pulseaudio developers know what percentage of users have problems with it? Bugzilla count ? As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of poll to find what problems users might have. Nor with the kernel, cat, ed, cp ... so

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Gene Heskett wrote: As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of poll to find what problems users might have. Nor with the kernel, cat, ed, cp ... so that is rather a silly point. With you Alan, I will respectfully disagree. If it doesn't work, we do not think our

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Chris Snook
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, I re-installed it all and I haven't had any noise from anything but kmail and maybe kino since then, kino audio seemingly depending on the phase of the moon, day of thew week and possibly multiplied by the

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 25 August 2008, Timothy Murphy wrote: Craig White wrote: clearly the people with problems with pulseaudio are in the minority or it would have been removed. Sadly, this is nonsense. How do the pulseaudio developers know what percentage of users have problems with it? An excellent

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread max
Timothy Murphy wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of poll to find what problems users might have. Nor with the kernel, cat, ed, cp ... so that is rather a silly point. With you Alan, I will respectfully disagree. If it doesn't work, we do

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Steve Searle
Around 04:44pm on Monday, August 25, 2008 (UK time), Timothy Murphy scrawled: but I think Fedora _does_ need to adopt a more newbie-friendly approach, if it wants to overthrow the giant, which I hope it does. Assuming overthrow the giant = replace MS Windows with Fedora, then I am not sure that

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Alan Cox
I don't think Alan Cox was saying you were silly to complain - he was saying I was silly to expect a poll of Fedora users about your complaint. Indeed. My suggestion probably was silly, but I think Fedora _does_ need to adopt a more newbie-friendly approach, if it wants to overthrow the

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 25 August 2008, Timothy Murphy wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: As far as I know, Fedora has never tried to run any kind of poll to find what problems users might have. Nor with the kernel, cat, ed, cp ... so that is rather a silly point. With you Alan, I will respectfully disagree. If

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for the reply Rex, even if we do not agree. :) :) np. I just wanted to avoid the generalization that I perceived

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for the reply Rex, even if we do not agree. :) :)

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: WTH does console-kit have to do with pulseaudio The person logged into a console is given permission to do certain things, such as use the sound card, manage removeable media, etc. Typically, the sort of things that don't share well between

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Rex Dieter
Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: I think he gave you a really good answer too... pulseaudio doesn't set the user permissions on devices but is handled by ConsoleKit / HAL If you give a report on your audio hardware submitted to ConsoleKit package, they could fix the problem

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Marcin KÅ‚apkowski
Sorry, I don't saw all discussion. But I know how to make work in F9 pulseaudio. Just add user to groups: pulse, pulse-access, pulse-rt. Restart server. It's work for me. 2008/8/24 Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: I think he gave you a really good

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:22:30 -0700 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If no one's going to take people seriously when they say they are having problems with PulseAudio, and people are just going to force PulseAudio down peoples' throats when it's not working while insisting the problems

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Gene Heskett wrote: And thats NOT what I had. I made the mistake of running the sound detector and it, or pulseaudio overwrote what I had. It should not touch things unless you specifically tell it to. Sound detector was a tool to configure your sound cards. It is going to change things

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 09:48 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: But what I'm still left wondering is the fundamental question: What the devil is the problem people imagine exists which they imagine pulseaudio solves?. I can't even get my brain wrapped around the motivation for pulseaudio. Simply because

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread max
Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig Different email address. #458611

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: And thats NOT what I had. I made the mistake of running the sound detector and it, or pulseaudio overwrote what I had. It should not touch things unless you specifically tell it to. Sound detector was a tool to

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 09:48 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: But what I'm still left wondering is the fundamental question: What the devil is the problem people imagine exists which they imagine pulseaudio solves?. I can't even get my brain wrapped around the

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, max wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread max
Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, max wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any.

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And now, even samba seems to have failed, with ubuntu apparently using an incompatible version. I was backing up the kubuntu's machines /home directory with amanda, but I never got around to rebuilding the amanda client after finding

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 02:38 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: If you do have such a setup, please share how you did it. Show *me* the .conf files that achieve that. Examples are worth 10k words (inflation) you know. I've seen ALOT of

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 09:48 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:22:30 -0700 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If no one's going to take people seriously when they say they are having problems with PulseAudio, and people are just going to force PulseAudio down

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: as has already been pointed out - I don't think that there's much point in going farther except to point out the thing that you don't seem to get...unlike all other sound daemons, pulseaudio is

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. Both NetworkManager and PulseAudio are not perfect - in fact, far from perfect

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Gene Heskett wrote: That isn't always true Craig, I have been denied permissions on several occasions. It always surprised me at the time I don't now recall a specific instance I can quote, but it has happened in the past and will no doubt occur at some point in the future. ATM, not

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And now, even samba seems to have failed, with ubuntu apparently using an incompatible version. I was backing up the kubuntu's machines /home directory with amanda, but I never got around to

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Russell Miller wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: That isn't always true Craig, I have been denied permissions on several occasions. It always surprised me at the time I don't now recall a specific instance I can quote, but it has happened in the past and will no doubt

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 10:18 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. Both

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Gene Heskett wrote: pulseaudio doesn't set the user permissions on devices but is handled by ConsoleKit / HAL If you give a report on your audio hardware submitted to ConsoleKit package, they could fix the problem (assuming that someone else hasn't already reported it). 'Scuse me, Craig,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: I think you have personalized these things as if they were intended to make your attempts to use Fedora more difficult. No. Not personalized. I know they're not intended to make my attempts to use Fedora more difficult. If anything, I'd say they were intended to make

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:23 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And now, even samba seems to have failed, with ubuntu apparently using an incompatible version. I was backing up the kubuntu's machines

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Les Mikesell wrote: You must have missed a lot - this was discussed to death when people first had problems with pulseaudio. Consolekit assumes that the speakers are owned exclusively by whoever happens to be logged into the console at the moment. Personally I think this is as bad as if

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 10:40 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: I think you have personalized these things as if they were intended to make your attempts to use Fedora more difficult. No. Not personalized. I know they're not intended to make my attempts to use Fedora

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:23 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 01:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And now, even samba seems to have failed, with ubuntu apparently using an incompatible

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. And for very good reasons on a multiuser OS that is not constrained to

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:33 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. And for

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Russell Miller wrote: I believe pulseaudio has a framework that can act as a suitable sound server for a multiuser system or even network-stream access across multiple systems, but the fedora configuration emulates a toy single-user box instead. The bug isn't so much with either pulseaudio

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. And for very good reasons on a multiuser OS that is not constrained to

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: snip Biostar, M7NCD-Pro, bios unk but up to date according to the biostar web pages maybe not. Not even listed on the American pages, I have to goto the .tw pages to find it. Ok, did, but now I have no sound at all. The nforce is

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2008, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: snip [1] be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should have one now. [2] maybe disable ac97 in bios to see padmin shows. I don't think I can in this bios. strange a bios writer would not

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 August 2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Gene Heskett wrote: Some stuff is locally built, like I track the latest linus kernel 2.6.27-rc4, amanda snapshots, kino-1.3.2, and all gmerlin dependencies, needed to make openmovieeditor build and work, which when I do, I find it cannot import what I already have, and it has no idea

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Some stuff is locally built, like I track the latest linus kernel 2.6.27-rc4, amanda snapshots, kino-1.3.2, and all gmerlin dependencies, needed to make openmovieeditor build and work, which when I do, I find it cannot

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I am not sure I am reading this correctly - are you building your own kernels, and not using the Fedora ones? Yes Mikkel, been doing that for years, probably from about 2 weeks after I installed RH5.1 all those

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Heskett wrote: snip What a snotty, piss on everybody attitude! Regardless of how screwed up no argument there. it is what i noticed. was sort of wondering what you would come up with. someones system is, complaints against pulseaudio are

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Yes g it does, thanks. It tells me for the 2nd time now that I should have nothing to do with pulseaudio, the whole concept of its design is apparently broken. i got that impression also. there are some who have it working, but i believe it is because it

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: g wrote: snip i got that impression also. there are some who have it working, but i believe it is because it is same systems pulse was built with. I don't know about that - I have had it working on 3 different

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: g wrote: snip i got that impression also. there are some who have it working, but i believe it is because it is same systems pulse was built with. I don't know about that - I have had it working on 3 different systems, with 3 different sound chips,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: snip but I drought what ever. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: g wrote: snip i got that impression also. there are some who have it working, but i believe it is because it is same systems pulse was built with. I don't know about that - I have had it working on 3 different systems, with 3 different sound chips,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: snip Well, by that logic, you could say that everyone that can not get PA working are running the same systems... not according to pulseaudio site. log it and you will see what i mean. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: snip Well, by that logic, you could say that everyone that can not get PA working are running the same systems... not according to pulseaudio site. log it and you will see what i mean. I know that the hardware it doesn't work on is not all the same,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I am not sure I am reading this correctly - are you building your own kernels, and not using the Fedora ones? Yes Mikkel, been doing that for years, probably from

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread dexter
On Sat August 23 2008 03:02:49 Gene Heskett wrote: If I rpm -e pulseaudio, or as much as I can without completely eviscerating the system, it will start working, or did the last time, without even a reboot. The penny drops, Leave Pulseaudio for those that say it works, for everybody else. #

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: snip What a snotty, piss on everybody attitude! Regardless of how screwed up no argument there. it is what i noticed. was sort of wondering what you would come up with. Its a bit like complaining of a headache to the Dr., who suggests

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, dexter wrote: On Sat August 23 2008 03:02:49 Gene Heskett wrote: If I rpm -e pulseaudio, or as much as I can without completely eviscerating the system, it will start working, or did the last time, without even a reboot. The penny drops, Leave Pulseaudio for those

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Rex Dieter
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, Works fine here, and our 150+ boxen. From what I can gather, my speculation is that you're seeing more like a lower-level (alsa/driver) issue, rather than anything to do with pulseaudio. -- Rex --

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Heskett wrote: snip As an experiment, its time to end it, it has failed miserably to produce snip i agree with all that you have said above to top. there is one acceptance, 'you are not alone'. i tried pulseaudio on mandriva a while back and

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, Works fine here, and our 150+ boxen. From what I can gather, my speculation is that you're seeing more like a lower-level (alsa/driver) issue, rather than

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Rex Dieter
Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for the reply Rex, even if we do not agree. :) :) np. I just wanted to avoid the generalization that I perceived that pulseaudio is broken universally. It just works for a vast majority of users. Your setup seems to be quite a special case of multi-card setup

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Heskett wrote: snip months, not that I care until we get an internet telephone that actually works. 'magicjack' under wine? snick - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 August 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for the reply Rex, even if we do not agree. :) :) np. I just wanted to avoid the generalization that I perceived that : pulseaudio is broken universally. It just works for a vast majority : of users. Your setup seems to

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for the reply Rex, even if we do not agree. :) :) np. I just wanted to avoid the generalization that I perceived that : pulseaudio is broken universally. It

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: I do detect a pattern though...it's the same one that had you giving up on NFS and using samba for filesharing because you couldn't make NFS work. I would like to state for the record that like Rex, I have many, many systems running with pulseaudio and no problems. I

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:22 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: I do detect a pattern though...it's the same one that had you giving up on NFS and using samba for filesharing because you couldn't make NFS work. I would like to state for the record that like Rex, I have many,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig Different email address. #458611 --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig Different email address. #458611 I think he gave you a really good answer too...

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: I think he gave you a really good answer too... pulseaudio doesn't set the user permissions on devices but is handled by ConsoleKit / HAL If you give a report on your audio hardware submitted to ConsoleKit package, they could fix the problem (assuming that someone else

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:59 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: I think he gave you a really good answer too... pulseaudio doesn't set the user permissions on devices but is handled by ConsoleKit / HAL If you give a report on your audio hardware submitted to ConsoleKit

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: that was the first thing that occurred to me too and then I realized that you didn't have any details of the hardware that would have made a report to ConsoleKit worthwhile. Obviously his issue was to respond to the report against pulseaudio and that he did. OK. But I

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:59 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: why should I have to open another report? Shouldn't it be transferrable? Shouldn't either he or I be able to just change it to the consolekit queue? Yes, that sort of thing *should* be possible, but I don't see a mechanism for doing

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 18:04 +0100, dexter wrote: The penny drops, Leave Pulseaudio for those that say it works, for everybody else. # rpm -e `rpm -qa|grep pulse` pavucontrol And never put this stuff near a kde desktop :-) I've had mixed results with pulseaudio. I have wondered if we can

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 August 2008, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig Different email address. #458611 I think he

pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, I re-installed it all and I haven't had any noise from anything but kmail and maybe kino since then, kino audio seemingly depending on the phase of the moon, day of thew week and possibly multiplied by the age of the raccoon I

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, I re-installed it all and I haven't had any noise from anything but kmail and maybe kino since then, kino audio seemingly depending on the phase of the

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings; Because many of you said to use it, it worked just fine, I re-installed it all and I haven't had any noise from anything but kmail and maybe kino since then,

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2008, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: snip padmin displays, on the server tab, a whole menu of alsa stuff, every one of which points into the nvidia chipsets builtin ac97 audio on this motgher board, and absolutely zero reference is made to the the SBO-400 Audigy 2 card just

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Russell Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: just a thought, if padmin is seeing ac97 and not sbo-400, could you possibly be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should have one now. Have you tried checking to see if

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Heskett wrote: snip [1] be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should have one now. [2] maybe disable ac97 in bios to see padmin shows. I don't think I can in this bios. strange a bios writer

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2008, Russell Miller wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: just a thought, if padmin is seeing ac97 and not sbo-400, could you possibly be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2008, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: snip [1] be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should have one now. [2] maybe disable ac97 in bios to see padmin shows. I don't think I can in this bios. strange a bios writer would not

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Heskett wrote: snip Biostar, M7NCD-Pro, bios unk but up to date according to the biostar web pages maybe not. Ok, did, but now I have no sound at all. The nforce is not showing in the my thoughts in this were 'if' address conflicts