than 2 users using it.
And I don't think it makes much sense to go from a working version of
Finale that works on OS 9 but on on OS X to a broken version of
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want non-accurate spacing of
music that is not visible), I'm pretty certain that no one at Coda
really understands blank notation, either what it's useful for or how
it's actually implemented since it was folded into Staff Styles.
Sibelius is looking more and more tempting.
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On 4/20/04 3:15 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The workaround here is very easy, though (putting in an explicit
rest), but it could be a pain if you have to do it for a number of
measures (though hiding other layers and copying could get it done
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to me that if the starting clef of the destination staff is the
same as the starting clef of the source clef, you'd want the clef
changes copied. Seems to me that smart clef change copying would be
a nice feature, assuming it was optional.
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think letters will do the
trick.
Indeed, letters are just not acceptable for what I'm wanting to do.
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(and it will) everything will run
smoothly once you get it back up and running until you screw with it
again. .
\/\/hatever.
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described could possibly have been caused by a
problem in the file system of my computer.
Wrong.
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and, through various methods, recreated
the notation (in some instances, I was able to copy it, in others, I
had to re-enter the notes), then deleted the original.
It makes no difference.
It really seems to be something in the measure (or maybe the measure
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On 5 Apr 2004 at 11:25, Ron Shillingford wrote:
Your file crashed 2003 but opened ok on 2004. I'm on Wndows XP
Oh, my! I wasn't expecting anyone else to crash!
What's your video? Mine is ATI RAGE PRO AGP 2X.
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On 5 Apr 2004 at 13:08, themark wrote:
I tried with my FinWin2k2 and it crashed. (Windows 2000 SP3, Pentium 4
1.6ghz 256 RAM)
Er, you shouldn't be able to open it at all.
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. This may seem drastic but from 15
years experience I have learned that this is the most sensible
approach when problems like this happen, and I build my systems on the
assumption that this will happen eventually.
I think you're completely full of beans.
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setting?
And what funny settings would I be looking for?
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when you do it -- numerous times I've
lost data that I put in *before* an explicit forced save when a crash
happened a few minutes after I saved.
Needless to say, my confidence in Finale is rather greatly shaken
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On 4 Apr 2004 at 19:13, Carlberg Jones wrote:
At 7:55 PM -0400 4/4/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
When I hit ENTER to navigate to that measure, Finale 2003 for Windows
crashes.
I'd also be interested if it crashes on other versions of Finale.
With FinMac2004.r3 it doesn't crash using either
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measure. Your suggestion only works when
the visible notation in the measure with blank notation is the most
active measure (i.e., has the most content that will be spaced) of
all the staves in that measure.
This is why it's a bug, because there is no real workaround.
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information on this
legislation see the link at the bottom of this alert.)
Looks a lot like one more in a series of immortal urban legends.
Anybody know?
Sadly, no -- when Republicans and the war on drugs are involved,
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political discourse in this country as they are.
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default.
I can't even see why you'd want it as an option.
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It's something that doesn't work properly.
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But a survey?
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without the FILL setting (i.e.,
minimizing rests), but Finale is crashing if I do that with an entire
staff selected, so I'm having some difficulties.
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use layer 2 very little, so
it's very easy for me to find these visually.
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On 26 Mar 2004 at 23:59, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Mar 26, 2004, at 12:36 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Here's the problem:
If layer 2 is a chord instead of a single note, the spacing is
completely wrong -- the layer 1 note is spaced by itself and the
layer 2 chord is spaced way out
, the accidentals
*and* the dots.
Can anyone confirm this?
I'm using WinFin2K3.
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On 26 Mar 2004 at 15:43, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:36 PM 03/26/2004, David W. Fenton wrote:
Can anyone confirm this?
Yep. I reported that (or something very similar) to Coda a year or two
ago.
Is the problem still present in Finale 2004?
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not likely to upgrade my copy of
Finale any time soon (the main reason being the copy protection
without a key escrow).
I've been using Finale since 1991 (2.01 on Win3.1), and you'll yet
manage to drive me to Sibelius by refusing to fix obviously broken
aspects of the program.
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Is there some way to make them bigger in terms of pixel size?
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On 26 Mar 2004 at 17:32, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 05:08 PM 03/26/2004, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why should invisible music affect spacing?
I can think of several reasons. For example, I was recently working on
a section of music in which the only way to get the measures visually
correct
On 26 Mar 2004 at 17:48, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 05:41 PM 03/26/2004, David W. Fenton wrote:
Didn't there used to be a way somewhere to set the size of the
handles for expressions and articulations and the like?
This sounds familiar, but I don't immediately see it in the program
accomplished.
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of the offset tuplets, but those won't work any better than
incomplete tuplets.
Is this undoable in Finale as well, except graphically?
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by notating them as though they were
measured and/or rhythmic, but hiding that in the printout.
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But I don't think that's possible in Finale, except perhaps by the
methods Robert Patterson indicated.
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old or from a different program) is easier if you know you can go
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never ever use Hyperscribe, so my question is completely
independent of that issue.
One person has weighed in on my question. I assume no one else cares,
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properly) we should send in feature
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On 22 Mar 2004 at 11:35, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 11:16 AM 03/22/2004, David W. Fenton wrote:
ability to continue, I need to pause. The current setup requires
remembering that I was paused, hitting STOP and only *then* typing
in the number where I want to restart.
You don't need
and Latin, the Latin practice going
back well into the Renaissance at least, based on text setting of
mass ordinaries. I was always trained that you don't sing them
rhythmically but as a diphthong.
Of course, in cases like Kyri-e_e-leison, there isn't really a
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On 17 Mar 2004 at 23:14, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Mar 17, 2004, at 6:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
[answering me]
. . . For classic appoggiaturas, I redefine
the note lengths with the MIDI tool. . . .
Can you explain that in more detail? I'm not getting what you're
referring to here
On 18 Mar 2004 at 8:52, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 17.03.2004 20:01 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
I don't understand why blank notation should affect spacing. Perhaps
other kinds of alternate notation should affect spacing, but blank
notation worked fine in WinFin97 in regard to spacing
On 18 Mar 2004 at 8:52, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 17.03.2004 20:06 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
There are work arounds. However, they involve having to change
layer and/or Spacing options before spacing the measures in
question.
Actually, there really is no workaround. I can't turn
On 18 Mar 2004 at 18:32, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 18.03.2004 16:52 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
Is there an independent spacing library that needs to be imported
separate from the Document Options library?
Don't use spacing libraries in 2k3, use the spacing values. They work
better
display of clefs (this does appear to work).
But why is this coming out this way? What possible value can there be
for displaying the clef change in both layers, but at different
sizes?
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On 18 Mar 2004 at 10:18, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:44 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Now, can we get a rundown of which versions exhibit the problem? It
looks like it's still there in Finale2K4, if Johannes is seeing it.
I think somebody had Finale2K2 and said the problem
to have little expressions that turned off playback in the
display layer and turned it back on.
Yes, it wasn't very bright.
It might be easiest for me to go back to that method at this point,
though.
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On 18 Mar 2004 at 13:21, David W. Fenton wrote:
Yet another blank notation problem I've encountered. Rather than
explaining, have a look at the second measure of the piano part of:
http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Midi/MidMeasureClefs.pdf
and the screen shot of Finale:
http://www.bway.net
On 18 Mar 2004 at 20:57, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 18.03.2004 19:13 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
Don't use spacing libraries in 2k3, use the spacing values. They
work better, more reliably, and are easier to adjust.
Sorry, but I have no idea what this means.
What spacing values
On 16 Mar 2004 at 15:09, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, don't hesitate to tell us, as I may be ignoring something
obvious. What I've been doing is spacing with with time-signature-
based spacing, then adding the handles necessary to manually
On 17 Mar 2004 at 8:39, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 17.03.2004 1:51 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
Well, you've got to have something in the blank notation layer that
is going to take up a lot of space, like the written-out notes for a
trill. That's where I'm getting all the problems
On 17 Mar 2004 at 10:27, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.03.2004 23:53 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
I just upgraded an older file (I think it began life as 3.52, was
converted to WinFin97, now into WinFin2K3), and I'm having fits with
the spacing for any measure with blank notation in layer
On 17 Mar 2004 at 9:35, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 7:51 PM -0500 3/16/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why should blank notation be used in spacing?
So that chord symbols attached to blank items can be taken into
account for spacing. So that hidden items could add extra space
without
notation.
Hmm.
That means it must surely be a bug.
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layers to get out of synch with
each other (you change the visible layer and forget to alter the
playback layer).
If blank notation worked the way it used to, I'd not have a problem.
I'll be reporting the bug soon.
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current option (without completely changing the way I do
things).
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to do it. Perhaps someone
could write a script or plug-in for it.
Yes, please.
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I posted yesterday about my problems with spacing when using blank
notation, and have received no answers.
Does no one really have no ideas or suggestions?
Or have I done something to deserve being shunned? :)
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On 16 Mar 2004 at 14:10, gj.berg wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
I just upgraded an older file (I think it began life as 3.52, was
converted to WinFin97, now into WinFin2K3), and I'm having fits with
the spacing for any measure with blank notation in layer 1 and notes
in layer 4 (that's how
On 16 Mar 2004 at 13:31, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Mar 16, 2004, at 10:33 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I posted yesterday about my problems with spacing when using blank
notation, and have received no answers.
Does no one really have no ideas or suggestions?
I explored the question a bit
between them with Alt-
Tab or using the TaskBar. I don't need partial windows to leave other
apps visible behind the app with the focus. Of course, if I had two
really huge monitors, maybe I'd do things differently, but I don't.
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On 16 Mar 2004 at 17:17, Phil Daley wrote:
my 22 inch monitor
This might have something to do with your preference for not
maximizing. I had no idea we were dealing with someone using a
monitor of a size that is so far out of the ordinary.
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to redo the page
layout in more than half the files.
It's *extremely* frustrating.
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was working on, I used all four layers, and needed
spacing to apply to all of them.
Isn't it a bug for blank notation to be used for spacing?
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windows,
since the layout of the windows is something that's managed on-the-
fly, not permanently stored.
And, in the end, you seem to be asking to get rid of CASCADING
windows. I'd agree they serve no purpose whatsoever, and a tab
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the parent window; for a browser, this is no loss at all, but it
would be for other applications).
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On 24 Feb 2004 at 1:21, Michael L. Meyer wrote:
On 2/23/04 11:06 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, I can't quite conceive of why having dynamic marks and
articulations in playback would interfere with aural proofreading,
as one person said, or why you'd want to redo
On 23 Feb 2004 at 22:19, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Actually, I would go the safe route and _first_ do a save as with a
different name (ie yourfile_playback.mus), and then delete all
markings.
Why not just turn off playback for the dynamic markings, instead of
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On 23 Feb 2004 at 17:10, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:31 PM 2/23/2004, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why not just turn off playback for the dynamic markings, instead of
deleting them?
Because you'd have to turn off playback for each marking individually
(unless I misunderstand you). Deleting
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from whom I've learnt more about Finale than I have ever gleaned from
you.
Get a grip. There's no insult there, just a suggestion by analogy.
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larger than the beat (with certain exceptions) be
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On 18 Feb 2004 at 17:49, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 18.02.2004 17:11 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
Finale is actually correct about this, because you've told it that
the beat is the quarter note, and modern notational standards
require that note values larger than the beat (with certain
it was added by at least Finale 97, because it wasn't
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(for Mac) and type = to enter
the tie end. Playback will respond correctly. This is good news for
which many of us have been waiting for some time.
This already worked in WinFin2K3, as I used it in an arrangement I
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Am I stuck with manual editing for this?
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already put in.
Does anyone else think there ought to be *some* kind of vertical
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On 9 Feb 2004 at 10:16, Andrew Stiller wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
Then why is 3/2 completely unacceptable?
Well, it would involve cutting all the measures in two, and I don't
really see the point in it. The presence of a section in 6/4 isn't
the only reason against changing the 6/2 to 6
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On 8 Feb 2004 at 23:13, d. collins wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
Is renotating the whole thing in 6/4 not an option?
Not really, because there is a section in 6/4 in the same piece.
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On 8 Feb 2004 at 23:40, d. collins wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
Then why is 3/2 completely unacceptable?
Well, it would involve cutting all the measures in two, and I don't
really see the point in it. The presence of a section in 6/4 isn't the
only reason against changing the 6/2 to 6/4
On 8 Feb 2004 at 23:46, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 08.02.2004 23:29 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
On 8 Feb 2004 at 23:13, d. collins wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
Is renotating the whole thing in 6/4 not an option?
Not really, because there is a section in 6/4 in the same piece
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On 9 Feb 2004 at 0:53, Owain Sutton wrote:
Your sole objection to the actual use of 6/2 as a time signature seems
to be that you've never seen 6 above 2 in print.
No, you're simply wrong. I've never said that at all.
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readable by
the average musician, and not by the normal early musician.
I assumed that you were aware such editions existed. I apologise.
You are using the old technique of misdirection.
The thing that is wrong with your statement:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 9 Feb 2004 at 0:53, Owain
as you expect it.
That's an excellent fix -- glad to hear it.
Meanwhile, since I'm stuck with WinFin2K3, what's the usual technique
for getting hyphens into a score after line breaks? I have never
figured out how to do it.
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On 6 Feb 2004 at 12:42, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:30 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Finale's original pickup measure solution was (and still is)
terrible, so I think most of us just use measures in different
meters to accomplish the task.
I never even knew there was another
On 6 Feb 2004 at 21:47, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 06.02.2004 20:30 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
Is there a plugin anywhere to manage measure number regions? I know
that it's a pain to do it with the builtin Finale functionality, or,
at least, it is for me!
Robert's Measure Number
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