[Christopher B. J. Smith:]
I don't know whether this is universal, but the way I was taught when
writing concert-pitch scores, octave-transposing instruments such as
picc, contrabassoon, glock, and double bass are written in the octave
read by the player regardless. This seems to fly in
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I checked with a colleague who has conducted the piece. He confirmed that
our interpretation of the flute part is correct. (Rereading your note,
Colin, I believe you were describing the same thing I was, but in different
words).
As for the bass clarinet part, he tells me that Stravinsky went
On 2002/10/14 03:42 AM or thereabouts, Michael Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
intoned:
[Darcy James Argue:]
Again, this problem is easily avoided by using octave-transposing clefs for
octave-transposing instruments.
Are they those treble or bass clefs sometimes found in more recent scores
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It's rampant. The new P2P systems, such as KaZaA and Morpheus, have picked
up where Napster left off, and blank CDs now outsell prerecorded discs. The
trend is clear: concern not for the law but for economics. This happens
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From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Fin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Transposed vs. concert pitch.
On 2002/10/14 03:42 AM or thereabouts, Michael Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Darcy James
Dear Phil,
I enjoyed John C Dvorak's comment logic.
With regards to Edison: While we may consider wax cylinders ancient
technology and patently inferior to the disc system as invented by Berliner,
there are aspects which made Edison's invention superior.
1. Cylinders don't change ratio as a
At 8:21 PM -0400 10/13/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 2002/10/13 07:22 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] intoned:
Again, this problem is easily avoided by using octave-transposing clefs for
octave-transposing instruments.
- Darcy
But that brings up another
At 5:42 AM -0400 10/14/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
However, I believe that octave-transposing clefs are becoming more common
even in transposed scores, and sometimes even in the instrumental parts.
For instance, nowadays I sometimes see the 8vb treble clef used in guitar
music.
- Darcy
Hmm,
At 8:02 AM -0400 10/14/02, Phil Daley wrote:
September 24, 2002
By John C. Dvorak - Opinion from PC Magazine
Man this pisses me off! My comments to follow.
It's rampant. The new P2P systems, such as KaZaA and Morpheus, have
picked up where Napster left off, and blank CDs now outsell
[I put an OT in the subject line, as this is definitely off-topic]
On 14 Oct 2002 at 8:02, Phil Daley wrote, quoting John Dvorak:
September 24, 2002
By John C. Dvorak - Opinion from PC Magazine
It's rampant. The new P2P systems, such as KaZaA and Morpheus, have picked
up where Napster
[I put an OT in the subject line, as this is definitely off-topic]
On 14 Oct 2002 at 8:02, Phil Daley wrote, quoting John Dvorak:
September 24, 2002
By John C. Dvorak - Opinion from PC Magazine
It's rampant. The new P2P systems, such as KaZaA and Morpheus, have picked
up where Napster
At 09:53 AM 10/14/02 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
By John C. Dvorak - Opinion from PC Magazine
Man this pisses me off! My comments to follow.
Don't stress. Dvorak's been around a long time, and I think his reputation
is all that's carrying him now. Like a lot of computer geeks washing up
Young people I know who download stuff from the net also buy plenty of CDs.
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Le lundi, 14 oct 2002, à 09:00 America/Montreal, Christopher BJ Smith a
écrit :
At 5:42 AM -0400 10/14/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
However, I believe that octave-transposing clefs are becoming more
common
even in transposed scores, and sometimes even in the instrumental
parts.
For
I passed the question on to the Bandchat list, asking what directors found
actually printed in scores and parts. The following replies are
instructive.
***
A question has been raised on the Finale List regarding whether to notate
an Eb contra-alto clarinet part in bass clef at
What is a contra-alto clarinet?
Is it what we call a contrabass clarinet?
All the best,
Lawrence
http://lawrenceyates.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 05:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eden - Lawrence D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Listers,
What is the best way to write a Contralto Clarinet part for the average
high school player?
Should I write the part as if it were a bass part and have the contra
pretend the part is in
My understanding is I am supposed to use "Staff attributes" to convert part of a staff from regular to slash notation, or vice versa. I must first select the measures I want to convert, at then select the notation choice. At least that's my understanding.
In one of the stupid little things it
Staff Styles, selecting only the measures you want to change.
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Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: [Finale] How to get partial slash, partial regular notation?
My understanding is I am supposed to use Staff
At 10/14/2002 01:04 PM, John Howell wrote:
When Eb Contra-Alto Clarinet parts are available with the score, they have
always been (from my experience) published in transposed treble
clef. Players
only use tuba parts when they are not available.
Yes, additionally, Bari-sax parts can be
At 10/14/2002 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is a contra-alto clarinet?
Is it what we call a contrabass clarinet?
No. A Contra-alto is an octave below a alto clarinet.
A Contra-bass is an octave below a bass clarinet.
Phil Daley AutoDesk
http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley
At 12:39 PM 10/14/02 -0400, Phil Daley wrote:
At 10/14/2002 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is a contra-alto clarinet?
Is it what we call a contrabass clarinet?
No. A Contra-alto is an octave below a alto clarinet.
Also called Eb bass clarinet.
Dennis
Thanks for your replies,
I know the two instruments (possibly erroneously) as a contrabass in Eb and contrabass in Bb. This may be a British thing, or may just be me being wrong!
Thanks again,
All the best,
Lawrence
http://lawrenceyates.co.uk
And, if you want partial measures in slash notation, turn on select partial
measures (edit menu), and use staff styles: slash notation.
On 10/14/02 12:26 PM, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Staff Styles, selecting only the measures you want to change.
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At 12:59 PM 10/14/02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know the two instruments (possibly erroneously) as a
contrabass in Eb and contrabass in Bb.
Here are the spoken names for the Eb/Bb clarinets as I learned them in the US:
Eb
Bb
Eb alto
Bb bass
Eb bass
Bb contrabass
Eb contrabass
To me,
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I am confused by your statement that there is only one ledger line
between each pair of staves... How can that be between the 15va treble
and the treble? The ledger line above the treble clef would be an A,
which can't be the ledger line below the 15va treble. There would have
to be two
There are two flavors of clarinets lower than the normal Bb bass
clarinet, and their terminology seems to get somewhat hazy.
One of them is pitched in Eb and sounds an octave lower than the Alto
clarinet and the other is pitched in Bb and sounds an octave lower than
the Bass clarinet. The Eb
People have been speaking of using staff styles. Which version of
Finale are you using? They have only been around since Finale2000 (if
memory serves me properly) so if you are using Finale98 or earlier, you
won't have any idea what they are talking about.
In versions before Finale2000, you
John Howell wrote:
Back to me. Could someone contact David and give him the subscription
information? Since everything got screwed up in the changeover to Mailman,
I don't trust myself to have accurate information. Thanks!
John
I already sent that information (I just copied and pasted
This was the favorite type of contra clarinet of Mark Hindsley at the
U of Illinois. He used them exclusively as a true bass to a section
of b-flat and bass clarinets. If he could avoid them, he did not use
E-flat or alto clarinet parts, preferring to use low register
mezzo-soprano or bass
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Here are the spoken names for the Eb/Bb clarinets as I learned them in the US:
Eb
Bb
Eb alto
Bb bass
Eb bass
Bb contrabass
Eb contrabass
Whoa!! The lowest clarinet I'm aware of is (to borrow tuba and organ
terminology) the BBb contrabass, usually metal and folded up
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From: Mark D. Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I checked with a colleague who has conducted the piece. He confirmed that
our interpretation of the flute part is correct. (Rereading your note,
Colin, I believe you were describing the same thing I was, but in
different
At 03:33 PM 10/14/02 -0500, John Howell wrote:
Are you saying there's an EEb contrabass even lower?
Are you sure?
Big, metal, heavy, and with its own floor peg. I finally saw one in real
life at a concert at the Stedelijk in Amsterdam about 10 years ago -- it
was the Louis Andriessen piece Hout,
From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...I haven't figured out how to get staves' settings to be different from the default
without changing them individually after exiting the Wizard.
i'm not sure if you want to change specific instrument default settings to always have
clef x when
From: Phil Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I discover that text blocks that I add to the
master staff don't get mirrored.
sounds like a job for either a note-attached shape expression, or measure-attached
shape expression assigned with a staff list [until finale's text tool is improved in
exactly this
a look at the two piano reduction - by igor himself - would likely clear up the
confusion regarding 'proper' register in at least some of the cases.
jef
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I see that Coda have created Finale Guitar - probably a sensible move one
would think, given the large number of guitar players out there.
An interesting thing in their advertising is that they state:
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:31:11 -0400, you wrote:
Bass (in Bb or A, with or without extended range to written C below middle
C)
Ronald -
Is it still possible to find a Bass in A? I remember performing the
Schoenberg Suite and sure wishing I had one! Not sure how much other
music there is
At 07:31 PM 10/14/02 -0400, Ronald M. Krentzman wrote:
As a professional clarinetist in a
large regional orchestra for more than 16 years, I never have heard of an
Eb Bass Clarinet.
I'll take your correction. I learned of an Eb contrabass being part of the
family, but never saw one. And after a
Yes, Selmer makes one. I believe you can purchase one for a mere $7000 or
so. Isn't that Suite a great piece (I assume you mean the Op.29)? I've never
played the Bass part but I have done the other two. One of his more
accessible pieces IMHO.
Ronald M. Krentzman
RM Music Preparation
In one of the stupid little things it does, it converts the whole thing
to slash or regular. How do I make it only convert part of the staff?
Using the Staff Tool, select only the measures you wish to have appear as
slash notation (on my MAC: click the first one, shift click the last one)
At 11:05 PM 10/14/02, shirling neueweise wrote:
a look at the two piano reduction - by igor himself - would likely clear
up the confusion regarding 'proper' register in at least some of the cases.
I don't think there's any confusion about the intended register. It's quite
clear what he
That was helpful.
Thanks; Tammy
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