> I remember Jordan Hubbard talking of his 'new' ideas of ports
> collections. Jordan are you here?
Seems Jordan had his new ideas coded at beta stage since yesterday:
http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/
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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:47 AM, Joel Hacker wrote:
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> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 05:00 AM, Charlie Allom wrote:
>
>> The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source
>> software to Darwin and Mac OS X.
>>
>>
>> If
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:18 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> Sorry if I wasn't too kind in my previous reply,
No apologies necessary, my feelings cannot be harmed by strangers.
Obviously nobody thinks this would be a good idea but me, I have
absolutely no problem with that. I
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
> I have already received numerous truly venomous responses to what I
> thought were perfectly innocent remarks. If I haven't left yet why
> would I now? I believe in this project and support it fully, despite
> the unwarranted attacks I have received fro
I think you don't have much experience with *nix in general. A lot of free
software is ported to many different OSes, Solaris, all the flavors of
Linux, BSD, etc. Some programs remain firmly tied to one Linux distro,
etc, and you have to port them yourself.
Your idea, while interesting academical
If I knew how to write software, I would already be working on
"Linux-on-Mac" instead of discussing it here. ;) Don't let the name
fool you, it actually IS my name (and a fairly common one among people
of Germanic descent). I am no developer nor do I have any delusions of
being one. I like
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:08:52AM -0400, Joel Hacker wrote:
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> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
>
> >Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
> >applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux?
>
> To the best o
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
> No, you misunderstand. What I propose is a Virtual Machine Like
> Virtual PC that EMULATES THE HARDWARE ONLY, but emulates another
> PowerPC machine on a Mac instead of an x86 machine.
Ok, whatever, if it makes sense to you have at it. I still see little
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Naf wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't think that's what people want. I think what's
> exciting about fink is that it makes it possible for you to get all
> sorts of Unix applications running ***natively*** on your Mac.
Forgive me for being uncl
As an aside, I looked at the mac-on-linux page and apparently you can boot
OSX from within Linux/PPC, so the reverse operation is possible.
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Joel Hacker writes:
> I agree that having native Darwin apps is necessary and even
> noble, but using Xfree86 on Mac OS X isn't really "native"
> anyway
That's a good point: I would be in favour of people spending time
to port X apps to use the native Quartz/Aqua engine, but most of
the stuff
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Viktor Haag wrote:
> If your emulator box goes down, then *all* of the Fink binaries
> become useless until I can get the emulator box up again.
Good point, but it's a trade-off. Getting one app stable has got to be
an easier proposition than getti
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:16 AM, Chris Devers wrote:
> No, I don't. I think you're assuming that Linux itself is some kind of
> monolithic, standardized machine.
No, you misunderstand. What I propose is a Virtual Machine Like Virtual
PC that EMULATES THE HARDWARE ONLY, but emulates
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
> applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux?
To the best of my knowledge, just about everything. Yellow Dog is a
Linux Distro spe
Joel Hacker writes:
>
> It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly
> think this would be a good idea for the maintainers. Having
> only ONE app to maintain, and that ONE app making it possible
> to run ALL the open-source software on a Mac without having to
> reboot. Get it
Joel Hacker writes:
> "Linux-On-Mac" (calling it "Virtual Mac" would probably get
> you sued by Connectix, but L.O.M. or V-Mac might be O.K.)
> would use a native Aqua interface preferably (but using
> XDarwin would be O.K., too) and share I.P. w/ the "host" Mac.
> The user creates a Disk Co
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
> It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly think this
> would be a good idea for the maintainers. Having only ONE app to
> maintain, and that ONE app making it possible to run ALL the open-source
> software on a Mac without having to reboo
Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux? If
there's quite a few that have not, then such a scheme would require either
(1) porting to Mac Linux--and if you have to port, why not go Darwin
native?
(2) i38
> It isn't clear how planting a virtual machine version of the Linux
> kernel
> above Darwin and below the Linux/Unix/BSD/POSIX toolkit that already
> runs
> natively on Darwin is going to help anything. You see?
>
It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly think this
wou
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
> So, would you mind telling me how it is that making a virtual machine to
> run open-source software ISN'T bringing open source software to OS X?
> Who actually cares if it's Unix or Linux, all the tools are practically
> the same? Do you have an actual c
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 05:00 AM, Charlie Allom wrote:
> The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source
> software to Darwin and Mac OS X.
>
>
> If you can't differentiate between the idea of UNIX as a set of tools
> and Li
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:16:24AM -0400, Joel Hacker wrote:
> Just had an idea. It's rare, but it does happen occasionally.
Obviously.
> The
> stated goal of the fink project is to bring Linux software to Mac OS X,
> right?
No.
> Opinions? Comments? Rude remarks? Anyone?
http://fink.
Just had an idea. It's rare, but it does happen occasionally. The
stated goal of the fink project is to bring Linux software to Mac OS X,
right? Well, how about a new approach to that goal? How about making
the Mac-On-Linux project work in reverse, Linux on Mac? Forgive my
ignorance, but
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