Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-23 Thread Sami Aintila
On 5/23/06, Peter Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sami: Please could you try an experiment with this crud I have performed all kinds of tests with SDR-1000, but unfortunately haven't really documented the results. Now, in response to your request, I looked at my old files and quickly put up

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Peter Martinez
From G3PLX: From what Ahti says, there is not a 1/f problem with the current SDR1000, which is what I found with the earlier version, but the oscillator radiation effect may or may not still be there. In the last topic I raised, concerning 24 bit soundcards, I speculated that the 'ideal' ADC

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Larry Loen
Sami Aintila wrote: Peter, I am seeing all kinds of nasty crud around DC, and so are many other SDR-1000 users. On some systems - maybe with some sound cards - maybe with better grounding - the problem is not very prominent. But for optimal (receiver) performance it's always safer to operate at

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Frank Brickle
Peter Martinez wrote: ...poor (or missing) DC coupling...really is not a problem... As a generalization, I believe this is untrue. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Alberto I2PHD
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Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Jim Lux
At 02:05 AM 5/22/2006, Peter Martinez wrote: From G3PLX: Jim's point about poor (or missing) DC coupling probably crossed with my answer to Frank. It really is not a problem. Jim mentioned clock noise again, and I have to say I haven't studied this at all, but my understanding is that it is a

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Alberto I2PHD
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Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-22 Thread Peter Martinez
From G3PLX: Alberto: Thanks for your input! The peak in the centre of the spectrum plot you showed at http://sundry.i2phd.com/zeropeak.gif is certainly the small DC offset of the ADC's in the Delta 44. The Zero-IF software would remove this of course. It can be done automatically, it doesn't

[Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Peter Martinez
From G3PLX: The software that comes with the SDR1000 uses an 11.025kHz intermediate frequency. I understand the reasons for doing it this way, but even before the SDR1000 appeared I was doing software radio with an I.F. of zero. By this I mean that the sine and cosine RF oscillators were set

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Frank Brickle
The DSP software is already capable of 0 Hz IF, and has been since its earliest version. IIRC the 11025 Hz IF is primarily a consequence of the frequency response of typical soundcards, which start rolling off somewhere in the vicinity of 200-300 Hz. 73 Frank AB2KT Peter Martinez wrote: From

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Ahti Aintila
Another reason for using IF higher than 0 Hz is the high inherent noise level of typical transistors and opamps at low frequencies (so called 1/f-noise). This and the leakage of the VFO signals made me to move away from the zero-IF in my early switching (and Tayloe) mixer experiments.

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Ahti Aintila
Typo correction: ... article in QEX... Ahti OH2RZ On 21/05/06, Ahti Aintila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another reason for using IF higher than 0 Hz is the high inherent noise level of typical transistors and opamps at low frequencies (so called 1/f-noise). This and the leakage of the VFO

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Peter Martinez
From G3PLX: I just checked my two soundcards for the low-frequency roll-off. My new Firebox is 2.4dB down at 1.8Hz and the MP3+ is 1.5dB down at 1.2Hz. And that was done quickly by linking line-out to line-in, so it includes the LF roll-off of the transmit side too. I am quite certain the

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Ahti Aintila
Peter, You are right about the 22 kHz image in transmission. That is why I am reluctant to transmit without checking (and adjusting) the attenuation on the used frequency. With the preamplifier board the leakage of the sampling signal still can be detected by my other receivers. In practice it

Re: [Flexradio] Zero IF SDR

2006-05-21 Thread Jim Lux
At 09:41 AM 5/21/2006, Peter Martinez wrote: From G3PLX: The software that comes with the SDR1000 uses an 11.025kHz intermediate frequency. I understand the reasons for doing it this way, but even before the SDR1000 appeared I was doing software radio with an I.F. of zero. By this I mean that