Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-18 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Friday 18 August 2006 00:42, Jon S. Berndt wrote: Interesting. I ran a test earlier today with the OV-10 sitting on the runway in JSBSim standalone. It's just sitting there. So, I wonder if there is a problem in the interaction with FlightGear, somehow? Does anyone else see this? Yes...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Yes... the Lightning also suffers from this jitter when the parking brake is applied. It's not as bad as with previous versions of JSBSim (where it could rapidly escalate and flip the whole plane over) but it's there and a bit annoying. I haven't played that much with the gear constants -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Mathias Fröhlich -- Thursday 17 August 2006 07:48: From my point of view this is a total misfeature. And from my point of view it is a misfeature to bolt the pilot's head on the fuselage, which is what it looks and feels like with the old static view -- on a helicopter more so than on a fixed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Thursday 17 August 2006 12:33: I find it very irritating to have someone else moving my view direction in the simulator. You're right, this somehow resembles real live, Bingo. If we walk, or drive, or fly, or jump from branch to branch in a tree -- we don't experience

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Matthias Boerner
On Thursday 17 August 2006 00:51, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Matthias Boerner -- Thursday 17 August 2006 00:15: On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:30, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Matthias Boerner -- Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:27: Shouldn't the old style of view the default property and the new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Matthias Boerner
On Thursday 17 August 2006 08:35, Melchior FRANZ wrote: ---snip It was too tempting. It's OK for non-developers to lurk on a development list, it's also OK for them to criticize developers, but demanding justification from those who do the work is a bit too much. Or was too much yesterday

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi, And from my point of view it is a misfeature to bolt the pilot's head on the fuselage, which is what it looks and feels like with For my point of view it is an error to end up in a constantly rotating view. This is what I get if I restart the bo105 after a crash. Olaf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
* Jon S. Berndt -- Thursday 17 August 2006 15:12: I've adjusted the landing gear values a bit. Can you explain what you mean by excessive Y acceleration? Is this while sittings till on the runway? Is it something that happens as you accelerate? Yes, on the runway and when accelerating.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:30, Melchior FRANZ wrote: Shouldn't the old style of view the default property and the new managed-view the one which is selectable? No. I would vote for the old stuff too! Also a generic, aircraft independent, disable switch for that unusual view would be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Matthias Boerner
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:30, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Matthias Boerner -- Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:27: how can I turn off the property managed-view? See the ?-key help dialog for key combinations. Additionally, --prop:sim/models/bo105/managed-view=0 works. You can put that into

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, I also prefer the new style. (It's the same discussion as we had in the mid 90s with hexagon kartell. Some loved this function, some hated it. At the end it was on per default (my decision ;-) ), but it was able to put it off by default by a menu entry. Is it possible to save

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Maik Justus -- Thursday 17 August 2006 00:23: but it was able to put it off by default by a menu entry. This is already possible. See View-Toggle dynamic cockpit view. You need a recent CVS version for that, though ... not older than ... 3 minutes. :-) Is it possible to save

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Matthias Boerner
Hi, On Thursday 17 August 2006 00:23, Maik Justus wrote: Hi, I also prefer the new style. (It's the same discussion as we had in the mid 90s with hexagon kartell. Some loved this function, some hated it. At the end it was on per default (my decision ;-) ), but it was able to put it off by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Matthias Boerner -- Thursday 17 August 2006 00:15: On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:30, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Matthias Boerner -- Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:27: Shouldn't the old style of view the default property and the new managed-view the one which is selectable? No. Ok, why?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Thursday 17 August 2006 00:51: Mathias had the most ridiculous argument: the 100 rich guys with panorama or multi-screen setup, or head-trackers shouldn't have to turn it off. Oh, sorry. I completely got that wrong. This wasn't meant as an argument why it should *be*

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to turn off managed-view?

2006-08-16 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Thursday 17 August 2006 00:51, Melchior FRANZ wrote: Ok, why? Because I like it and think it should be active by default. FlightGear aircraft are property of their creators -- they decide (as long as no sacred rules are violated). Everyone is free to modify his/her copy, to fork it, or