Hi Thorsten,
Anyway, you maybe you can double-check if that patch really changed
anything concerning initialization.
I checked it in gdb when I made the patch, the members of FGForce
contained garbage, some of which was NaN. This was removed by after
adding the InitMatrix calls.
If it
Hi,
Technically, all these logos are under trademark:
I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
Tim
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I see that merely removing the 2.8.3 case from my conditional,
which I checked in a couple of hours ago, isn't correct. I'll have
another go.
On
commit 83f7c1cd57dfbe8301fce93314ab5d2e7d685ad1
Author: Frederic Bouvier
Date: Wed Feb 16 09:48:58 2011 +0100
Fix issue #252
http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=252 by Lauri
Peltonen
Thanks for that Lauri and Fred - for the first time in years the Lightning
First of all sorry for the reply format, I only have access to the weekly
digest currently so response are a bit out of context. Will change this soon.
Heiko Schulz wrote:
Problem is more the Eurocopter-logo which I should better remove.
Last year there was a high court decision in Germany
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, syd adams wrote:
Ok I tried to keep out of it ...;)
The issue isn't your work , it's the concern over the Red Bull livery
I haven't yet figured out why it's so important to include ,
there must be many other paint schemes that could be added instead.
I did 777
understand: The problem is really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
known to make problems. If other sims use this logo, then only because
Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other logos using in this
Citation please.
g.
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Heiko,
As I've said before, this simply isn't true!
Red Bull are very accommodating, I've spoken to them before about this on a
commercial product and they required no licensing agreement at all, simply an
email from myself saying that we weren't marketing it as a Red Bull product,
simply a
I think the problem is that someone got on their high horse and started
jerking him around. If I were him, I'd get just as snotty about it - more
so probably as I've got a much lower tolerance for that kind of nonsense.
[...]
stop. It has no basis in reality. Never has. Frankly I think
For what it's worth, the RedBull logo is currently used in the scene model
database to decorate the redbull air race pylons. We also have two
aircraft in git that also have RedBull logos.
These are just the instances I found in a 2 second search because they had
redbull in the file name. There
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Oliver Fels wrote:
I think the problem is that someone got on their high horse and started
jerking him around. If I were him, I'd get just as snotty about it - more
so probably as I've got a much lower tolerance for that kind of nonsense.
[...]
stop. It has no basis
On 2/17/2011 10:15 AM, Curtis Olson wrote:
For what it's worth, the RedBull logo is currently used in the scene
model database to decorate the redbull air race pylons. We also
have two aircraft in git that also have RedBull logos.
These are just the instances I found in a 2 second search
You are all being ridiculous except for Curt.
We have the ability to sell the product and could theoretically get sued even
though we are open-source. As I have said, the best thing to do is put in a
legal disclaimer saying we are not affiliated with any companies which may be
represented in
Here's the flip side of the argument. If we are pristine and use no
trademarks, then we have to go through and remove half our simulator
content. That's a scorched earth policy. No one wants to do that. So the
same people drawing the line in the sand on the redbull logo start waffling
on every
I'm sorry if reality offends your delicate sensibilities.
May I remind you of this quote here:
They're just a bunch of bloviating windbags with nothing better to do but run
in circles,
If that is your style it does not deserve more comments.
You can´t just walk through your neighbors
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:43:19 -0800 (PST), J. wrote in message
234538.53500...@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com:
You are all being ridiculous except for Curt.
We have the ability to sell the product and could theoretically get
sued even though we are open-source. As I have said, the best thing
IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google 'copyright fair
use' if you like) and it's something we shouldn't worry about.
-Fred
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On 2/17/2011 11:25 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google 'copyright fair
use' if you like) and it's something we shouldn't worry about.
-Fred
Close, but google trademark fair use instead.
As I am sure many other people will point out, fair use is a specific
provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to do with trademark
law.
gl
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.frwrote:
IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google
Am 17.02.11 18:30, schrieb Gene Lege:
As I am sure many other people will point out, fair use is a specific
provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to do with trademark
law.
It looks like Red Bull has licenses to use their trademark for Apps and
Games. An example for this is
Fair use is also a defense for trademarks.
The problem is these are defenses - they will only work if we are defendants in
a lawsuit, and we don't want to litigate.
We should take a path which maximizes our resources while minimizes our
potential to get sued, or at least have a lot of data
Hi,
understand: The problem is
really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
known to make problems. If other sims use this logo,
then only because
Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other
logos using in this
Citation please.
Easy: Google Red Bull Trademark and you will
Hi,
Last year there was a high court decision in Germany
regarding the trademarked logos of Opel (spark) and Mercedes
(the well known star).
The court stated that a replica of an item can include
trademarked logos if they integrally belong to the original
item. This means that a Opel car
Tim Moore wrote:
I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
Works with stock OSG libs on Debian 6,
Martin.
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2011/2/17 Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com:
I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
Tim
It works now with OSG 2.8.1 !
Thanks Tim.
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Heiko Schulz wrote:
Hi,
understand: The problem is
really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
known to make problems. If other sims use this logo,
then only because
Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other
logos using in this
Citation please.
Easy:
Curtis Olson wrote:
I'm sure these known usages of the redbull logo are actively being scrubbed
right now??? If not, it sure makes all of this rhetoric sound pretty
hollow. Hmmm, I just did a git pull and they are still there. I guess no
one is moving too quickly on these existing
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:00:37 +0100, Oliver wrote in message
20110217170037.16...@gmx.net:
I'd LOVE RedBull to chase after FPS!
The following would happen: RB says hey they are selling our logo in
that FPS thing and address FPS. FPS will tell them something about
GPL and point directly to
Like Curt mentioned earlier, you'd better apply the same
standard across
the board or don't bother. I think your best bet is
to create your own
little private sanitized aircraft collection so you don't
have to be
horrified by the rest of us scoff-laws.
After you're done taking
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote:
Curtis Olson wrote:
I'm sure these known usages of the redbull logo are actively being
scrubbed
right now??? If not, it sure makes all of this rhetoric sound pretty
hollow. Hmmm, I just did a git pull and they
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote:
To be honest:
Yes, according to international laws a lot of the content is indeed an
infringement.
It depends on each company how they react. Most companies won't say
anything, but in the past there have been some.
Hi,
This smells strongly of a case where we like our policy better when it's
applied to others and not ourselves. I'm not saying there isn't some
logical explanation that I'm totally missing, I'm just saying what it smells
like to me.
Myself wasn't aware of that we have other models with
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:00 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote in message
4d5d6388.1040...@sablonier.ch:
Am 17.02.11 18:30, schrieb Gene Lege:
As I am sure many other people will point out, fair use is a
specific provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to
do with trademark law.
It
Curt wrote:
So why aren't we *removing* all our existing uses of the redbull logo ... or
at least the ones that I can find in 2 seconds? None of the people who are
saying Jack can't submit his helicopter with a redbull livery are saying
anything about the 2 aircraft and several scenery
Stuart Buchanan
Snip ...
However given that there us such disagreement on this subject I'm not
going to unilaterally remove them.
I should think not!
Vivian
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Although Flight Gear is a 'not for profit', there are at least a couple of
'businesses' (ProFlightSimulator FlightProSimulator) that use FGS's
software as their core including aircraft and world map. And, since those
companies are in the 'for profit' realm, certain companies that are really
This is getting ludicrous.
I guess there won't be complaints about The Forum anymore.
Move on, before you kill FG by removing all content that encourages
someone to use it.
There are other discussions more worthy of your expertise.
Beating this one over and over again
I've been lurking on this discussion, and feel a need to add my $0.02. If there
is a question over the legality of the use of certain trademarked logo's, why
not ask the copyright holder(s)? Rather that than waste time on a pointless
debate where the arguments either way are speculative at
Hi Folks,
I am running Flightgear 64-bit with the latest git pull and windows nightly
build applied. FG works fine without Rendering options enabled and I get 42
frames on the runway with a DH91 Albatross. But I cant get some of the
material shader stuff working.
Please let me know
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:44:44 +, Nikon wrote in message
snt105-w523a990f3b25f626378ab4c4...@phx.gbl:
Hi Folks,
I am running Flightgear 64-bit with the latest git pull and windows
nightly build applied. FG works fine without Rendering options
enabled and I get 42 frames on the
Excellent. That is exactly what is needed - good clear advice direct from the
source. It does appear they're not willing to allow anyone to use elements of
copyrighted works in any 'visible' aspects of the models, so that would present
some difficulty when it comes to re-creating liveries - at
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