Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread ThorstenB
On 23.04.2012 13:52, Christian Schmitt wrote: We could, if the xml parser would not simply discard any new runways that are not already in the apt.dat file. If I understood a comment of James in the bug tracker correctly, this, however, always has been and still is the normal behaviour, since

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread James Turner
On 24 Apr 2012, at 08:28, ThorstenB wrote: If data needs to be loaded anyway (airport codes/positions), then distributing it to tons of individual files may not help with start-up delays either. James really needs to comment on nav data things though, since I never touched this area.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Thorsten, ThorstenB wrote: On 23.04.2012 13:52, Christian Schmitt wrote: We could, if the xml parser would not simply discard any new runways that are not already in the apt.dat file. If I understood a comment of James in the bug tracker correctly, this, however, always has been and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Indeed, the XML structure was primarily meant to override incorrect values of pre-existing airfields. BTW, here's the initial announcement: http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17407.html Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread flightgear
On 24 Apr 2012, at 08:28, ThorstenB wrote: If data needs to be loaded anyway (airport codes/positions), then distributing it to tons of individual files may not help with start-up delays either. James really needs to comment on nav data things though, since I never touched this area.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread flightgear
Hi Thorsten, ThorstenB wrote: On 23.04.2012 13:52, Christian Schmitt wrote: We could, if the xml parser would not simply discard any new runways that are not already in the apt.dat file. If I understood a comment of James in the bug tracker correctly, this, however, always has been and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread Martin Spott
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Is the code/the queries to produce the xml output from the postgres apt/nav.dat database available for public somewhere? It's a simple Bash/PostgreSQL proof of concept which has seen 'evolutionary' development, looping through the list of ICAO codes, collecting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-24 Thread Peter Morgan
Now this is really interesting.. http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=sceneryweb;a=blob;f=mapserver/Threshold_ILS_TWR.sh I'm kinda moving into django land after lots of screaming and whining to myself.. but it does seem to be a platform of sorts.. and sql alchemy compat etc.. So can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-23 Thread Christian Schmitt
ThorstenB wrote: But to be honest, it neither works with central terrasync scenery. We could never push any updates (such as introducing terrasync scenery with the new EDDF runway) without immediately breaking consistency with all previously released FG versions (= their base packages). We

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:48:46 +0200, Christian wrote in message 20120411084846.02ffa1456...@mail.sigmos.de: Xplane's WorldEditor (WED), an opensource program, ..under the GPL like FlightGear? In that case we can simply shanghai it into the FG tool suite. :o) BTW, is perfectly able to create

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-11 Thread scosu
On Tue 10 Apr 2012 10:23:23 PM CEST, ThorstenB wrote: Am 10.04.2012 21:08, schrieb Martin Spott: And there's still one thing to consider: Having one central set of apt./nav.dat files in the Base Package still doesn't address the trend of the FlightGear project and Scenery development

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-11 Thread Christian Schmitt
ThorstenB wrote: But to be honest, it neither works with central terrasync scenery. We could never push any updates (such as introducing terrasync scenery with the new EDDF runway) without immediately breaking consistency with all previously released FG versions (= their base packages). And

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-11 Thread Oliver Thurau
The same applies to shipping modified apt.dat files with the Base Package as long as use-custom-scenery-data flag wasn't established as default. Noticed yesterday that the preferences.xml in fgdata does not contain the use-custom-scenery-data part anymore? Is that intentional? Shared

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread flightgear
Hi Crhis, Torsten What is really needed at the moment is someone starting to verify if some changes to our apt.dat from the past have to come to recent apt.dat shipped with FlightGear. Martin Spott prepared an updated apt.dat on the mapserver, but the changes in there have to be verified if it’s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Christian Schmitt
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Hi Crhis, Torsten What is really needed at the moment is someone starting to verify if some changes to our apt.dat from the past have to come to recent apt.dat shipped with FlightGear. Martin Spott prepared an updated apt.dat on the mapserver, but the changes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread flightgear
, which is not updated for xplane anymore. - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - Von: FlightGear developers discussions An:FlightGear developers discussions Cc: Gesendet:Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:15:03 +0200 Betreff:Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Hi Crhis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Spott
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Maybe it???s time to establish a new contact to Robin Peel. I sent him data too but never got any answer, I sent my data to Martin Spott and the airports have never been updated, nore in apt.dat shipped with flightgear nore in scenery files derived via

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread flightgear
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Maybe it???s time to establish a new contact to Robin Peel. I sent him data too but never got any answer, I sent my data to Martin Spott and the airports have never been updated, nore in apt.dat shipped with flightgear nore in scenery files derived via

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Christian Schmitt
Hi Yves, flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: update in general? Why is it possible to update apt. and nav.dat in xplane every months without (?) inconsistencies and not for FlightGear? Is there something that could be changed in the concept of scenery and data distribution for FlightGear? Did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Spott
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: I know about this inconsistencies, and this of course the core of the problem. When flightgear reads from one updated scenery source and from one corresponding data source we wont run into the same problems anymore, I think that's true, but really hard to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Gene Buckle
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Michael Sgier wrote: Traffic and parking etc. are handled via xml files in Flightgear different to X-Plane. But to make changes to the opensource apt.dat forward them to Robin: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=58356 Right, but if you use the v10 format, all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 10.04.12 14:24, schrieb Christian Schmitt: Hi Yves, flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: update in general? Why is it possible to update apt. and nav.dat in xplane every months without (?) inconsistencies and not for FlightGear? Is there something that could be changed in the concept of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Spott
Gene Buckle wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Michael Sgier wrote: Traffic and parking etc. are handled via xml files in Flightgear different to X-Plane. But to make changes to the opensource apt.dat forward them to Robin: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=58356 Right, but if you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Martin Spott wrote: Gene, as you know, FlightGear's XML structure for taxiway routing and other scenery-related airport info predates the capabilities of the v10 You're assuming knowledge not in evidence. :) I knew nothing of this xml format, nor how long it had been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread Björn Kesten
And there's still one thing to consider: Having one central set of apt./nav.dat files in the Base Package still doesn't address the trend of the FlightGear project and Scenery development proceeding asynchronously. Wouldn't a simple If custom data is present, use custom data switch alleviate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-10 Thread ThorstenB
Am 10.04.2012 21:08, schrieb Martin Spott: And there's still one thing to consider: Having one central set of apt./nav.dat files in the Base Package still doesn't address the trend of the FlightGear project and Scenery development proceeding asynchronously. But to be honest, it neither works

[Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-09 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi, what is our current policy for updates to nav.dat? Do we commit changes to the binary gzip'ed file or do we have a central repository for the data? Would it make sense to have the unzip'ed file in git and zip it for the release in make dist? Torsten

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-09 Thread Ron Jensen
On Monday 09 April 2012 15:05:58 Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, what is our current policy for updates to nav.dat? Do we commit changes to the binary gzip'ed file or do we have a central repository for the data? Would it make sense to have the unzip'ed file in git and zip it for the release in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-09 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 09.04.12 23:31, schrieb Ron Jensen: On Monday 09 April 2012 15:05:58 Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, what is our current policy for updates to nav.dat? Do we commit changes to the binary gzip'ed file or do we have a central repository for the data? Would it make sense to have the unzip'ed file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-09 Thread Gene Buckle
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Ron Jensen wrote: On Monday 09 April 2012 15:05:58 Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, what is our current policy for updates to nav.dat? Do we commit changes to the binary gzip'ed file or do we have a central repository for the data? Would it make sense to have the unzip'ed file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz

2012-04-09 Thread Michael Sgier
...@deltasoft.com Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 3:00 AM On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Ron Jensen wrote: On Monday 09 April 2012 15:05:58 Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi