Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph, first feedback

2006-11-01 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Hi Mathias, http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/OSGErr/fgfs-screen-0154.jpg [bo105: missing blades] Regards Georg The missing blades are probably not due to the osg update. I think your data and your flightgear source are not from the same date.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATR72

2006-11-01 Thread Darko Tasovac
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph, first feedback

2006-11-01 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Hi Mathias: 1. Further investigations, new insights regarding the FG-OSG black screen problem - must be a terrain/ground problem, the a/c is located under the surface when one selects special airports. - found it out by using the UFO, it is located under the surface but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] UFO - Object_SIGN

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Darko Tasovac -- Saturday 28 October 2006 13:50: I've downloaded ufo aircraft from the flightgear/aircraft, version 20060710. I put the runway sign on the scenery (see attachment). According to the quoted instruction, I put string in the lower left corner but after Enter pessed, nothing

[Flightgear-devel] X-15 on CVS ?

2006-11-01 Thread flying.toaster
Hi everybody, I thought it might be nice to upload the current 3D model of the X-15 to the CVS repository. That would allow people play around with the model in its very early alpha state :o) This model is to be released under GPL (even though there is no source code for it) As the most

[Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Maik Justus
Hello, is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this topic. What's about to rename the pre-osg-branch to a 9.11-beta branch? I don't know, how the procedure for fg-releases are, but I would vote

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 10/31/06, syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised itimmediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now !What'll it cost me to have youset one up for me , Curt?;) That particular simulator with an enclosure (not shown in the TV

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 14:05: is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this topic. I agree. There are (IIRC): - complete overhaul of the helicopter FDM - air-to-air

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Robert Black
Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. More on this developing story as details come in. Curtis Olson wrote: On 10/31/06, *syd* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 11/1/06, Robert Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swellof domestic unrest among flight simmers.More on this developing story as details come in.I'll take the blame for it, but you only have to see 3 monitors (or maybe 5 lcd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Jon Stockill
Robert Black wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. More on this developing story as details come in. Round here that'd get me see - he says you only need 4 computers, you can get rid of the rest. ;-) --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Robert Black wrote: Olson's recommendations to buy three more computers causes large swell of domestic unrest among flight simmers. According to my understanding, the move to use OSG as scene graph will enable us to run multiple screens using a single instance of FlightGear on a single

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: It will take a while until fgfs/OSG has all features of fgfs/PLIB, and even longer until it does it with the same performance. [...] We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: I agree with melchior that [...] ^ Sorry, Melchior, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Lou Sanchez-Chopitea
Hi, Curtis Olson wrote: On 10/31/06, *syd* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Justice , it certainly was Flightgear ,I recognised it immediately, but I was more interested in the setup .I want one now ! What'll it cost me to have you set one up for me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] compiling OpenSceneGraph

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Mike, Mike Rawlins wrote: I see there's some work going on related to OpenSceneGraph. Per suggestions here, I've been trying to compile the patched version from: [...] g++ -O2 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L../../../lib/Linux32 OrientationConverter.o osgconv.o-lstdc++ -losgProducer -lProducer

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear starting time

2006-11-01 Thread Thomas Biwer
hey there, i noticed that the version of flightgear i built from scratch using cygwin takes significantly more time to start up (about 4-5 minutes)than the one i installed using the exe-file from flightgear.org (about 1-2 minutes). is there any specific reason for this and are thereany ways to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG compiled ....but

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 11/1/06, Lou Sanchez-Chopitea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price certainly sounds like a lot when compared to a used 172which can put you back about $50K or less 8^).The counter argument is that a simulator can be used to train for certain types of failures, or extreme weather conditions, or a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 17:44: Melchior FRANZ wrote: We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) I'm glad that the prophet didn't exclude the one

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear starting time

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
I think to answer quickly, the version we distribute in binary form is built with MSVC and you are building with cygwin. I think it has been reported in the past that cygwin has some serious IO efficiencies due to some sort of thread blocking. Apparently this isn't a priority for the cygwin team,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 17:44: Melchior FRANZ wrote: We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) I'm glad that the

[Flightgear-devel] Reading out fdm data of FG via socket

2006-11-01 Thread Thomas Biwer
I wrote a small program to receive fdm data out of flightgear using a socket connection. as for the cessna 172 it fairly works, however the rudder position doesnt seem to be transmitted. aileron and elevator both work, rudder doesnt. but the more severe problem is that once i change the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear starting time

2006-11-01 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Thomas, I recommend to use MSVC Express. It is free and Olaf Flebbe has written a excellent howto, linked from the flightgear wikki. He supports osg and the plib-branch and has precompiled libraries to minimize your effort. I have compiled flightgear from the scratch 2 times with cygwin and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] compiling OpenSceneGraph

2006-11-01 Thread Mike Rawlins
--- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Rawlins wrote: I see there's some work going on related to OpenSceneGraph. Per suggestions here, I've been trying to compile the patched version from: [...] g++ -O2 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L../../../lib/Linux32

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Maik Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 14:05: is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 18:51: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh, yes. And also ... - many improvements to the traffic manager (probably not a teaser either, as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air, but it's getting better and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Spott
Maik Justus wrote: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh yes, having different groups from the flying in different environments is really a bit unfortunate. A release might cure this effect - on the other hand this situation already lasted for months, so we might bear with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Maik Justus
Maik Justus schrieb: By the way: Mattias did a great work Sorry, should read Mathias. Maik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph, first feedback

2006-11-01 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Maik Justus schrieb: The missing blades are probably not due to the osg update. I think your data and your flightgear source are not from the same date. Please update both from cvs and then it should work. Maik Thank you Maik! Did not test the BO105 again after my data-update

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 18:51: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh, yes. And also ... - many improvements to the traffic manager (probably not a teaser either, as long as the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
[traffic manager] * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:18: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air Not sure whether you're referring to the fact that the aircraft seem to be picking-up the additional

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:28, Melchior FRANZ wrote: [traffic manager] * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:18: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air Not sure whether you're referring to the fact

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:50: That's one area that needs improving. And here's another: FlightGear just decided to exit for no acceptable reason in the middle of a harmless flight: Failed to find route from waypoint 31 to 124 [...] Program exited with code 01. Is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] compiling OpenSceneGraph

2006-11-01 Thread Mike Rawlins
--- Mike Rawlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Rawlins wrote: Running fgfs, I got errors about my freeglut 2.4.0 that I've read about; now I've installed and compiled CVS freeglut. Splash screen starts, but then at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph, first feedback

2006-11-01 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, On Wednesday 01 November 2006 00:43, Georg Vollnhals wrote: I hope you did understand me right, all that feedback is not mentioned as it is broken, please fix it but just to inform you about what works on my O/S/PC hardware and what does not. If these feedbacks would come That comment is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Re: OpenSceneGraph, first feedback]

2006-11-01 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 03:32, Georg Vollnhals wrote: Hi Mathias: 1. Further investigations, new insights regarding the FG-OSG black screen problem - must be a terrain/ground problem, the a/c is located under the surface when one selects special airports. - found it out by using the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] homemade sim

2006-11-01 Thread syd
And running 3 displays side by side versus a single display on a single PC makes a *huge* difference in the immersiveness of the simulation. Curt. I think I would prefer some type of projector setup... since now one can change the aspect ratio of the display. The gut churning effect you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] homemade sim

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 11/1/06, syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I would prefer some type of projector setup... since now one canchange the aspect ratio of the display. The gut churning effect you getfrom watching something on the big screen just isn't there when you see it on a small tv. Hmm ...another

[Flightgear-devel] cerr exit()

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
Please: o Don't commit cerr or fprintf(stderr, ...) to CVS! We have a log system. Use SG_LOG with the appropriate log-level. Please, don't overrate the importance of your error messages. o Don't spread exit() everywhere. If a susbsystem can't recover from a situation, then it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] compiling OpenSceneGraph

2006-11-01 Thread Mike Rawlins
--- Mike Rawlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mike Rawlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Rawlins wrote: Running fgfs, I got errors about my freeglut 2.4.0 that I've read about; now I've installed and compiled CVS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:10, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:50: That's one area that needs improving. And here's another: FlightGear just decided to exit for no acceptable reason in the middle of a harmless flight: Failed to find route from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:46: Yikes! That's not supposed to happen. You can safely comment out the exit(), as FlightGear has a fallback mechanism in case no route is found. That exit() *was* already commented out! (awynet.cxx:381) It must have triggered another exit().

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-01 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:49, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:46: Yikes! That's not supposed to happen. You can safely comment out the exit(), as FlightGear has a fallback mechanism in case no route is found. That exit() *was* already commented

Re: [Flightgear-devel] compiling OpenSceneGraph

2006-11-01 Thread Lou Sanchez-Chopitea
Hi, Mike Rawlins wrote: --- Mike Rawlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mike Rawlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Rawlins wrote: Running fgfs, I got errors about my freeglut 2.4.0 that I've read about;

[Flightgear-devel] Terrain is offsetted (on LTBA Istanbul)

2006-11-01 Thread Savaş Yatmaz
I'm at LTBA RWY 36 R.I can see myself right on mpmap.But in FG, airport(LTBA) is not in the right place.It's a bit offsetted to south.ILS approach lights hovers on sea etc.I think the terrain is not in the right place.Because i'm on the beginning of rwy both in FG and mpmap. why does this

[Flightgear-devel] Home built projectors

2006-11-01 Thread John Wojnaroski
You can build a poor man projector using an old AV viewgraph machine and cannabilizing an old 15 LCD glass panel. It is a bit tricky getting the glass separated from the frame and enclosure. The leads are very thin and you need to watch the heat build up from the viewgraph lamp; if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Home built projectors

2006-11-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 11/1/06, John Wojnaroski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course some of us work for universities with nice research budgets tobuy all sorts of high end gearOn the outside chance that was directed at me I'll just reply that I wish more of that budget was spent on salaries instead of simulator gear.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Home built projectors

2006-11-01 Thread John Wojnaroski
It was :-) Moving FG over to OSG raises the possibility of creating a multi-screen system with a single machine using a dual-headed video card in the AGP slot and one or more PCI graphics cards. I messed around with the idea a few months ago and had three monitors on a single machine with a

[Flightgear-devel] MSVC project files

2006-11-01 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Sorry for the long delay. But I have now checked in what MSVC Project files Olaf gave me. I know that they are not the most current but better than what we have in cvs up to now. For all those who have downloaded his files and modified them, you may creat a backup copy of your files before you

[Flightgear-devel] OSG question ...

2006-11-01 Thread syd
Hi guys , This is just a question to satisfy my curiosity , but what was the reason for choosing OpenSceneGraph over OpenSG ? The answer probably is obvious , just not to me ... Thanks, Syd - Using Tomcat but need to do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Home built projectors

2006-11-01 Thread Tim Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Wojnaroski wrote: Have also been experimenting with curved reflective surfaces trying to remove/reduce the distortions caused by mapping a 3D world onto a 2D plane. Idea is to project an image onto the surface and then reflect it onto a

[Flightgear-devel] F-14

2006-11-01 Thread bass pumped
I guess this would be an interesting resource for anyone trying to develop an F-14 model. Just thought I'd share it!! http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircraft/sites/mats/f14-detail-dimensions.htm - Using Tomcat but need to do