I just seem to only find appreciation for the avant-garde in societal
left-field - a place in which I am definitely an alien. Even then,
Ah, I see how you see it. The "left" want to steal you something...
But its the other way round: you want to take away the right to share
music.
defined in two connected but differing ways. First, as a historical
moment or group that is understandable in terms of individuals and
Confess that the rest doesnt interest me very much. And it gets easily
ridiculous when trying more.
The so called "fluxlist" box for exemple. Really nice
"a survey to assess the assertion that "All the authentic Fluxlist artists
Whatever a "fluxlist" artist is, I dont think I am one, I have subscribed
to this list, so what, there is a nice sticker in the "fluxlist" box, who
did this ?
Ray Johnson, letter to Higgins.
Maybe one of the most
several hundred universities with intermedia departments,
"Multimedia" ?
Heiko - can't seem to make your ascii graphics work.
Are they for the poetry book?
Ascii is ascii ;-)
You need a font that isnt proportional, like courier, and an appropriate
linewidth.
Yes, you can use this as poetry.
I weas thinking of such things as movies. Digital title generators
me
...pez
the next time i will pay for a certificate mail
(for insurence)
Got mine some days ago, and saw your nicenst contribution, chapeau.
Today, Leonardo Music Journal arrived, with the CD. Have fun. H.
Copies etc, all the bla bla about copyright, that would be *expanded*, not
preserved, when the recording industry, which sells things, not data, bla,
bla, bla, one question or observation: what makes a digital artwork
unique ?
Some programs (like blender of www.neogeo.nl for all kinds of Wintel
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You are
"In The Cultural Cold War, Frances Stonor Saunders presents for the first
time the shocking evidence that the CIA infiltrated every niche of the
There was a channel 4 feature about this and it has been discussed.
Everything some people allways said was true. Anyway, I liked the
encounter. But
Some animal is eating something from somebody somewhere:
MMM"MM"oM"
oMMMoM MM
MM""M MMMo
Browsers and eyelids.
Ah, "net.art" ;-)
Doing most of my "surfing" with lynx
H.
a "hero" but for conceptual artists, whose artwork, by being exhibited
in a gallery,
is indeed inside a frame none-the-less.
What are frames today ? Beuys made the "frames" himself, some make boxes
(mine hasnt arrived ;-), Howard Hodgkin etc..
H.
tried to predict which slide was next before it was projected. There was a
big laugh when he predicted some actress, like Marilyn Monroe, and then King
Kong appeared on the screen.
Well, a perl script could do this too, the prediction, but without any
drama.
Hi, thanks. What does it mean ? An inflation, ego (moi) projects.
http://www.nameprotect.com/wr/0012/goe4851/268821/dom1.html
It appears that Ben Vautier has registered "fluxus-ben.com."
You may be able to buy "fluxusart.com" from a domain name seller.
There's also a "fluxusart.de"
Dear Roger, get FreeBSD, use it for the dayly stuff, email etc, you´ll
never regret it. Windoze is only neccessary for some multimedia stuff
(here), installing dual boot is easy !!
H.
I'm having to unplug my modem to be on the safe side. Now I have to visit
the computer doctor
Roger
you love Artcart ? - let your friends discover your favourite net.art piece
"net.dot.art", is this irony ?
If somebody is interested in this 8 seconds, 4 scenes mpg thing
Blender of www.neogeo.nl and mpeg_encode.nice tools anyway.
H.
an interesting introduction to net.art is steve dietz's text for the "beyond
I know an even more interesting intro ;-)
But thanks !!
Heiko
and the files on floppies.
Terrence:
by those who's interests are in trade. Some artits are good at making
themselves popular and available to those interests. Others trade time and
Music business etc, think global, act local ?
Maybe one should start with convincing the neighbors.
I remember Garth Brooks tried unsuccessfully to block stores from selling
used copies of his CD's, using similar arguments as presented in the MP3
debates.
Yeah, I was waiting for this. Was this campaign only one artist ? Wasnt
there a slogan ? Like "copy kills music" now, against CD
among others, Einstuerzende Neubauten's F.M. Einheit.
any released work with fmeinheit?
Yeah, I know they had a disc together called "Merry Christmas." Lots of
Btw, they are back on stage, without fm, who left the bauten some years
ago.
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I think something like that is still at www.uni-frankfurt.de/~recktenw/
Or watch for files with dark magus or isle of wight.
H.
Myke,
The point is that if people are going to routinely rip music from
CDs and distribute them via the internet or other means to their
They only do it with their favourite music, I would never do it with
Metallica, I once did it with Ratex X, a 400 kb file in 8 bits per
second... The
MP3 and the internet are the death knell to all that as far as I'm
concerned. Everybody's having a lot of fun doing things with the
If you put yourself in such a position, out of time. Its the time of
digitalisation. CD ripping is something completely different in
soundquatity than taping
Hi Myke !
to the public. By keeping them all to myself I can rest assured that
no anonymous scum out there will ever snub me with some stupid
philosophical argument that what I create is not mine and can be
There are no such philosophical arguments.
freely distributed by anyone to anyone
There are no such philosophical arguments.
There is maybe one aspect somehow philosophical, the end of the "artist"
as some individual. How do the many voices on those mididisk things
contribute ? They do the music.
Another case is sampling. But you also can say, that is boring, why not
Bought two bottles of this "Ben Vautier" wine, and the nice thing is there
is nowhere said that "Ben", who lives near the chateau, where the vine
comes from, is Vautier
Jacks Wineplace, if it was vine from california or australia, dutch maybe
if it is fleur du cap, this one is by Ben
Isnt Terence also mididisking ?
Please do burn your minidisks recording !!
And do send tapes around.
Tapes have become incredible cheap when I was looking around last time. 5
maxells around 10 or 12 dm, 12 dm the better ones ("s")...
Anybody interested in a tape of John McLaughlin in the
Jacks Wineplace, if it was vine from california or australia, dutch maybe
if it is fleur du cap, this one is by Ben Vautier.
You are right, but:
and "delete all". Once a CD is "burned" it cannot be erased and
re-burned. Recording to MiniDisc is identical and identically easy
Its downwards compatible ;-) Maybe you know somebody with a CD burner
(like Owen, if he still likes those games)..?
The only thing that
Paintings are experienced at once.
Albums are experienced through time.
And operas are pictures in time...
What are good paintings ?
1. All the authentic Fluxus artists consider the Fluxlist
to be a truly absurd parody.
Parody of what ? As far as some people try to immitate the witty original
easterbunnies ? Pah. A club of artists, not more.
I only wish that there was a visual-image equivalent to Napster. (Record
Gnutella. For everything..
I only wish that there was a visual-image equivalent to Napster. (Record
Gnutella. For everything..
http://www.sltrib.com/05082000/business/47375.htm
So it would seem. Spreads easily..
There is a search engine with gnutella, but I am not so fast like you with
URLs, well,
I think all those mp3.com style things suck badly. Those installations
with the "Play" button and tons of cookies. Where do you get real mp3
files for download ? With lynx... ?
Netscape sucks badly. Its ok, but all those useless decorations
Anyway:
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finds was great. The range of color, that it was apparently used as body
paint, the fact that painting predates the physical evolution of the
Thanks !
H.
of artists' rights. I would be outraged at others taking my work
without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of
income.
This is an old topic, but if you are interested, I prefer gnutella,
because it works without central database.
And "privat copying" is ok. As it ever was.
lectures, all the furniture of fame) and less from the actual sale of works,
whereas lesser-known writers who derived a larger proportion of income from
actual sales of works favored copyright. So it's been kind of a little-guy
Think it was about libraries, what should they pay to the authors
Fluxus homonyms
Apparently if you say it with a rising tone it means "electricity" in
Sino-French.
You mean like the 4 ways to pronounce bah ?
?
H.
http://www.artsjournal.com/Arts%20beat.htm
worth reading!
Why ? Because of the magic word "art" ? Could you explain ?
But there is the potential for MISCHIEF.
Well, I looked into my dictionary: do you think those who might have a
case would do themselves no favor if they start a case they might loose ?
Art and life.
Wouldnt think the frogeaters are Zeus..
And now to something completely different:
Known for spitting in the face of
conformity and dominant
institutions, Metallica sounded
remarkably like middle-class
parents during the fan forum, as
they argued for government
intervention in order to protect
their retirement
I dont want to stir it up more, stirring or shaking, but:
Well just bounced to the list the reply I got from fluxus.net. They know
about Fluxus and we know about them.
Who are "we" ?
and like Fluxus and what it means.
I not so shure about Kens position or Nam June P. or La Monte Y. etc.
a member of pavu.com copyrighted copyleft
pavu.com use copyGNou
why don't you use it ?
Thanks. But first its not a copyright question, then, an analogy to the
gnu licence could only be a second step, the main question is if fluxus (a
la art) has better rights in the name than francenet.
as you know, as artists, we can hardly fight on the ground of money
Why ? ;-)
I didnt invent the legal system.
they probably didn't even KNOW about our little
world...
So you think they reinvented the name ? ;-)
I find the idea that WE, as a discussion list,
are somehow threatened, a laughable proposition!
I NEVER said this !! But there are others who might have an interest...
Ok ?
jokingly, referred to the "leonardo" case (and
"etoy" could intersect as well), but nothing has
happened and quite possibly never will. Ken, I'm
Those cases are VERY different, for exemple etoy isnt etoys, but fluxus is
fluxus and it is a little less blabla than leonardo.
Heiko
PS.:
sue. He could start with a letter to FranceNet saying, that it is not ok
to use the label. And he should be a person with some strong connection to
And he should write a letter to network solutions or whoever is
responsible for "fluxus.com" or whould be responsible for "fluxus.fr".
Yes, the other cases ARE different - there were
frivolous lawsuits instigated. (I'm not sure what
"little less blabla" means - not as talkative?)
More established. As far as I know, I asked this when seeing fluxus.de, an
advertising (?) company, never anyhow active in a greater public
Yeah, there is no "communist" rebellion ever more. Its middle class spring
feasts.
take over his bodys with jeans --brand is not relevant--
is an effective way to neutralize his actions of protest.
As far as I could see here in Berlin last night.
politics: cage refused to vote in ANY elections -
hated the idea of "leader" (whether glenn branca
or bill clinton) - his "teaching" duties
Dont think this is a good idea for a real life human beings. In real life
you have to decide and make mistakes etc.. take part in politics.
It is common practice in email communicaton to quote the passage to
which you are responding in order to refresh memory and provide context.
Maybe we should start with the quote, and not with the annotation. Thats
the usual way. I wouldnt say it should be a strict rule, but as a
guideline ;-)
Somebody was lucky enough to have lunch with Cage, who visited her Prof.
And she said he was absolutely uninteresting and boring, can you imagine
that ?
Some people's ideas of boring are boring.
Hope so. Remember listening to Thoreau reading all night long, which was
kind of "boring". Maybe you have to have some "willingness to like", you
must bring with you some sympathy etc for the man, his work. Or it will
not work. Maybe this is a general
With "Live/Evil", for example, I found it
exciting/daring/inventive etc right after it came
out - then with it's CD release a little less so.
I still like it very much, although the parts without drums, you know
which tracks I mean, are today even stronger than they were then, maybe
they were
me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his
art. That's my
Matineee d'ivresse ?
Yes, but did you think that when you were a teenager?
Exactly, he was a poetic prodigy. I really can't put my finger on it but the
poems just didn't reach me on an
then we'll go for it, as that old Fluxus devil Rimbaud used to say
Well, isnt it all about lifestyle, more or less ?
We could start a thread about R.D.Laings conversations with children, to
switch to our century.
"L'Elegance, la science, la violence", had it as a motto on my first
to have much more power or maybe just a different power. Maybe one is more
romantic/idealistic at that stage of life...
I dont understand what you mean by that or why you write this. A text is a
text is a text. Do you think reading is just for teenagers ? Certainly
not.
twenty - fourth of a second movie tape (movie tape is larger and easier to
splice)- and rearranged the order of the 24th second intervals of recorded
speech. The original words are quite unintelligible but new words emerge.
The voice is still there and you can immediately recognise the speaker.
The RM then is an artifact designed to limit and stultify on a
mass scale. In order to have this effect it must be widely
implanted. This can readily be done with modern electronic equipment and
techniques
Did cut this piece into 3 parts, cant give it away via http in the moment,
its splitted -l 510 or something like that, hope, it doesnt crash your
mailboxes, voila, part 1:
THE ELECTRONIC REVOLUTION
BY
WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS
Nice quote, but arent both ways ok ? Whats wrong with Lichtenstein ? Those
were the 60s..
On Tue, 20 Apr 2094, ddyment wrote:
as always, george brecht puts it most beautifully and succinctly:
"i prefer, for example, to cut a little panel out of a comic strip and to
just have that,
familiar with the pop artist Peter Blake...worth a look...I never used to be
He is more a designer, isnt he ?
To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was
So was Nauman, so what ?
To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was
So was Nauman, so what ?
From this Al Hanson catalogue, I got the impression that the most
important time of "fluxus" was the time before the coining of the label,
immediately after the Cage class. So who was a "fluxus"
Reading old emails, some had disappeared somewhere on this unix thing:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote:
Trout Mask Replica
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)
Wow... Those are the two Captain Beefheart CDs in my collection.
I've thought about getting "Safe As Milk" for several
Joachim Kuehn, the GREAT piano player, who is Keith Jarrett ?, once played
it on the radio. Remember very tricky rythms.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Roger Stevens wrote:
Lick My Decals Off is a good one
JK was live MUCH better than in the studio etc. He knew "the real stuff",
but seldom played it.
Sorrissime for double posting but this looks interesting. Strongest Nam
June Pail thing I ever saw was Vietnam behind a glass with fishes. Voila:
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Holga's, like many other toy cameras, have both
plastic bodies and plastic lenses. The plastic lenses
Ah...and in b and w this would be ??
Nice for the industry:
tight, causing unpredictable fogging. Holga's are
also medium format cameras, they take 120 film as
opposed to 35mm.
and a large collage
by Richard Hamilton (He of the Duchamp Large Glass)
He is on the cover of POP Architecture and wrote something on Higgins etc
in something on Spoerri reedited, some time ago in the spectator.
One of the two main centers of resistance, underground, the other an
airport in Tokyo, in the seventies. Plogoff in bretany in france, one of
the most beautifull parts. Lots of german ww ii architecture, monstrous ?
There are some new plans for nuclear energy architecture there. The radio.
can anyone recommend a source that proposes anything like a "neutral"
(meta-) history
of how Fluxus has been seen and evaluated as a movement, but also as an
artistic "product"
or "stock" over the years? what I am most interested in is studying the
process of image creation for Fluxus, and
until all gets sorted out:
This material should be on CD somewhere collected anyway, for later
researchthings with whatever software. Ken is doing archiving anyway ?
we must be in book buying mode. i just bought a copy of 'joseph beuys
in america' for 12 dollars. i really would like a copy of 'we go this
This coyote thing ?
I wish I knew more of Beuys and the german green party (now in
governement, head of our "state department" is green.)
(various styles). I'd love to trade discs with other
composers/improvisers...
You did construct your theremin by yourself ? Could you describe this
machine ?
Well, if you can make copies onto cassette, still more popular:
Heiko Recktenwald
Kurfuerstenstrasse 35
53115 Bonn, Alemania.
Thanks,
H.
I accidently deleted once Daniel Cohn Bendit in Paris. How he did "hostis"
calls. A pity.
How to say it in english ? Those "hostis declarations", "bellum justum"
against De Gaulle, who fled the country...
A collection of "hostis declarations", like "Haider is a pig."
Do readers of Int-Law have any sources of information or comments which
would be helpful to the Humanoids 2000 Conference? I honestly think the
implications of Engelberger (dubbed one of the "fathers of modern
robotics") putting a Humanoid on the mass market, in the next five years,
at the price
My tape boxes, unheard tapes (cassettes). Labeled and unlabeled music etc.
To confront Martin Luther King with Malcolm X.
I accidently deleted once Daniel Cohn Bendit in Paris. How he did "hostis"
calls. A pity.
Hi,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Reed Altemus wrote:
I agree with Heiko. Fluxlist is becoming a forum for discographers and
Thanks. But I would never say this:
music collectors. Why doesn't someone just start a new list because this
is getting ridiculously off topic. Anybody besides Allan doing
This starts to become an interesting discussion:
Does any artist make the context explicit? Well, yes ... Haacke, for one.
Buren has criticized Duchamp precisely on this point.
Could you explain this a little bit more ? Haacke is, IMHO, strong because
he doesnt need a context for his works.
Is it possible not to have a context? I don't see how it could be.
"Contextualization" would only be making the context explicit. In this case,
analyzing and stating motives.
Well, that is what "contextualisation" meens. But I think, we must be
grown up enough, to take things for themselves.
I realy would like to know more about this. I have some Kippenberger at
www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ . Different images from the late documenta
server, topic underground.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Potter, Nick (Worley - Spotswood) wrote:
I love that Doobee-Doo song.
Cant you make a short mp3 file out
"Contextualization" would only be making the context explicit. In this case,
analyzing and stating motives.
Well, that is what "contextualisation" meens. But I think, we must be
Lets take a public monument, you cant say it means this and that, first,
its just there, and then public
I didnt see this html stuff at the end of the message, I though I had cut
it away.
Just to show you my context, slightly edited, no d-words etc:
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I just received a telephone call from somebody and Time-Warner, on the
Warner side. Seems the want to do a show about a web site that promotes
... , which turns out to be ...org.
The plan to
The nature of e-mail is one of high ambiguity and that is worth remembering
Media in general. But I suspect easter bunnies are less sensitiv. Or what
?
Has Fluxus ever been so harmless ?
No.
The Graham Bond Organisation and Julie Driscoll were both well known in
Britain in the seventies
(or possibly late sixties - my memory is hazy there)
I wouldn't have thought they had much to do with fluxicity or the art scene
Graham Bond was a strange person. Clean art for clean museums. How
"Safe As Milk" was Beefheart's first album. Produced by Ry Cooder. In my
opinion, his style is not as fully developed as on later albums like Trout
Mask or Doc at the Radar Station.
I have Mirror Man. 1965 ? More on pop music: has anybody "U" of Incredible
String Band ?
Yeah, have heard of Tony Williams too, the drummer. I never
Fred Frith etc, music with shaver. Its difficult to say that Lifetime is
fusion. He was the drummer of...and its a trio, John Mc, and Organ. What
later became "fusion" wasnt yet developed. The other tape I heard those
day was the
The aborigines have done circular breathing since forever, that's how a
didgeridoo is played.
Maybe he used it exessively, in jAZZ, dont know.
Of course I've heard of Sun Ra and his Cosmic Arkestra but never Graham Bond. Who
Father of "Graham Bond Organisation". I dont remember all the groups and
people he played with. A certain strangeness. He didnt make so much
ado about space etc like Sun Ra, but he lived in a different world,
I mean the time between the Cage class, when many people dropped out, more
or less, and the coining of the label.
Economy of information.
Economy of SOHO.
The revolution eats its children.
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This is
Alan Bowman who sent the 18 venice carnevale images in one go.so who
Cries for an animated gif.
with 16 or so, is Julie Driscoll. And there is Laura Nyro. In the USA.
I've heard of Laura Nyro of course but never actually heard her music.
Its a pity.
I'm not familiar with at all, probably because she's European. You mean she had her
greatest hits when she was 16?
Yep, together
I met him in 1974 when I was working on the Virgin label and they signed
him. I was shocked. He seemed like a burned out shell of a man, going
I met somebody of the very posh gallery that marketed his artworks, the
guy who worked with Mary Boone, and he said, yes, long ago, he had made
music.
college. Anyone ever heard of Rhashan Roland Kirk? I always liked his music a
Didnt he invent this:
(circular breathing), turning in a circle on one leg.
(Without the leg.)
H.
Cinema.
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