Okay people seem positive about
the idea.
Heres my thinking
1 It will be along the lines of our last
poetry project Happy New Ears Poetry inspired by Fluxus by members of the Fluxlist.
Maybe even produced in the same format
A4 (roughly
8 X 12 inches) and spiralbound.
Theres
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To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Poetry
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From: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Poetry Book
a blog
Sounds great Roger!
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Stevens
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:01
AM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Poetry Book
Okay people seem positive about
the idea.
Heres my thinking
1
, 2006 9:50 AM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: poetry anthologyNOT TOO LATE
Just on--
The Buttonwood Tree Broadsided!
The FLUXUS FREE ZONE!
What?
The Buttonwood Tree Broadsided:
.with Poetry that is! Come see the broadsides* we have collected over the
years as well
-- folks can bind their own copies...
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From: bibiana padilla maltos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: poetry anthology
guess i missed the call... don't know anything about the anthology...
bummer
on energy
have many old book covers -- folks can bind their own copies...
- Original Message -
From: bibiana padilla maltos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: poetry anthology
Welcome Kraig
Also check out
http://fluxcase.com and http://fluxnexus.com
I want to get something into the poetry anthology also.
cecil
Louis Lamper wrote:
hi everyone, my name is kraig lamper and i'm new to the fluxlist. i'm
a junior in college and i've been reading just about everything
You have been printed.
You are #14.
Thanks!
suse
- Original Message -
From: Kraig Louis Lamper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: poetry anthologyNOT TOO LATE
hi everyone, my name is kraig lamper and i'm new
hi suse
here it is though a bit on the silly side. but i made it before 1 april.
bests, carol
xx
early morning in the garden
who should we see, tenshi and me??
a gopher out of his hole!
tenshi dug and dug with glee
trying the gopher again to see.
a person drove by in
his UPS truck, waved and
guess i missed the call... don't know anything about the anthology...
bummer.
Original Message Follows
From: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: poetry anthology
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:26:30 -0700
hi suse
Hi, Im back in the
Zone! In answer to Madawgs queries
the poetry zone...
how do you know when you are in this zone?
It says on the top of the computer screen
and what makes it a zone?
Its a zone because I say so
Are there
borders?
It depends on the configuration of your
FFFO minions wrote:
in our opinion happY nEw earS was a great publication, not sure if bowman
ever sent his compliments (we have to do everything for him). it is a
treasured possession here at FFFO GHQ.
Yes, it was a great job by Roger and another round of congratulation is
certainly not amiss
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
stop being a poet? Its impossible. Theres a trick to not losing
poetry, its called writing it down. Scratch it into wood.
But this "writing it down" makes it very different. Live and art, maybe
this was much different before t6he invention of letters.
H.
of Nazi Germany, the idealistic slogans in Czeckoslovakia
Milan Kundera...and car accidents, Dupchek, Villem Flusser etc..
in 1968, even Andrej Tisma in Sarejevo before he switched to
militant insanity.
Think he was from this other town Novi Sad, or do I mix things ?
The balkan with its
the shot of two birds
is waiting countdown.
who going to shutdown
the song underground?
At 04:43 pm -0700 27/8/00, St.Auby Tamas wrote:
High!
Build an Iron Curtain all around on the equator.
Overfeed the people on the north hemisphere and
underfeed the people on the south hemisphere.
Check
In a message dated 8/27/00 12:06:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'Tis happier to be dead
to die for beauty than
to live for bread
Off with their heads!
Let them eat cake!
"I'd rather die on my feet
than live on my knees".
--
jay marvin
"Tis Nobler to never get paid
than to bank on shit and dismay."
-silver mt. zion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/27/00 12:06:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'Tis happier to be dead
to die for beauty than
to live for bread
Off with their
When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes
--Brazilian proverb
Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
need for the spirits of people to be elevated
out of the extreme poverty and structure.
My argument: If art is being made, it can't be so very extreme.
Extreme in the sense of irrecoverable, hopeless. Perhaps I
overreacted to the word. Historically, art isn't made in the
Kathy Forer wrote:
You've fortunately obviously never been hungry enough to forget
everything else in your life, to be so focused on bread and water
that words are a luxury which would destroy you.
Terrence writes;
no one has ever been that hungy
T.
artnatural words are bread and water
'Tis happier to be dead
to die for beauty than
to live for bread
Off with their heads!
Let them eat cake!
JAY:
THE SPEED TO WHICH WE HIT "REPLY" "SEND":
THE RED BUTTON ENCASED IN GLASS
BREAK HERE
AND PUSH IN CASE OF A NUCLEAR MELTDOWN...
WHY CAN'T THERE BE A REAL COMMAND IN "REAL" LIFE:
"UNDO"
In a message dated 6/8/00 1:24:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
THE SPEED TO WHICH WE HIT "REPLY" "SEND":
THE RED BUTTON ENCASED IN GLASS
BREAK HERE
AND PUSH IN CASE OF A NUCLEAR MELTDOWN...
WHY CAN'T THERE BE A REAL COMMAND IN "REAL" LIFE:
"UNDO"
I got you over and out--!
jay
Well--there's great old country western song on this subject:
"There is no instant replay (In the Football Game of Life)"
--dbc
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, [iso-8859-9] Ceyda Karamürsel (CUSTOMER TECH-Uzm.) wrote:
WHY CAN'T THERE BE A REAL COMMAND IN "REAL" LIFE:
"UNDO"
In a message dated 6/8/00 8:35:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well--there's great old country western song on this subject:
"There is no instant replay (In the Football Game of Life)"
"If heartaches were commercials we'd all be on TV."
I just can't get past the "Website Unseen" phrase, I do love it so...and have
been using it oftenseems to work
"Close Your Eyes, Make a Wish, Hit Delete"
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
Well--there's great old country western song on this subject:
"There is no instant
In a message dated 6/8/00 12:19:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
f Drinking don't kill me/Her memory will"
"Time Don't mean a thing to me/I've got life to go"
"I'm my father's son . . . just a little bit crazy."
"If a man keeps running sooner or later he'll run into himself."
"From
I had a dad for 9 years, and i tried to make a garden and he started it
on the shady side of the house...
Nothing grew.
I transplanted a snapdragon to the sunnyside of the house by the
manicured hedge.
It grew like crazy. One hedge. One door. One maniacal snapdragon. One
hedge.
David
In a message dated 06/08/2000 9:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I told my dad I'd stopped raising hell and he called me a
quitter."
I told my dad I didn't ask to be born and he said, "It's a good thing you
didn't, you'd have been
i recently joined this list. is this a "compilation"
project?
Ilya M
Ould Records
It is
or rather was
you can receive a free copy tho' by sending your
address to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 6/7/00 5:14:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you can receive a free copy tho' by sending your
address to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry. Did not mean to send my address to the whole list! :)
i recently joined this list. is this a "compilation"
project?
Ilya M
Ould Records
--- Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roger wrote:
BTW
The book's looking good
and nearly finished.
I'm sure the rest of the list will want to join me
in thanking you, Roger,
for the hard work you're
There will now follow three more entries regarding
the poems sent - so if you sent one or more in
please read them c a r e f u l l y...
er, for *three* read *four*
and for
*there will now follow*
read *there precedes*
cheers
Roger
Heiko - can't seem to make your ascii graphics work.
Are they for the poetry book?
Ascii is ascii ;-)
You need a font that isnt proportional, like courier, and an appropriate
linewidth.
Yes, you can use this as poetry.
I weas thinking of such things as movies. Digital title generators
BestPoet
Hi
Regarding poetry book
Just to say that I suggested you reply to my home e-mail so as not
to subject everyone on the list with the minutiae of preparing the poem book
but if you do reply on the list
you needn't reply to me, personally, as well
(ie there's no need to send the same message to
Gosh, 4 years on Fluxlist! I think this was my first post, and I was
thrilled when Dick Higgins responded.
Ooops, haven't had coffee yet,
try
http://www.deluxxe.com/fluxus/postcard/index2.html
Double click #43 for full text.
Bless,
PK
Patricia wrote:
Hiya:
There's a very cool postcard
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, George Free wrote:
Gosh, 4 years on Fluxlist! I think this was my first post, and I was
thrilled when Dick Higgins responded.
I remember when dear Dick would repeatedly advise everyone on this list
to-do-as-he-did, and delete my posts without reading them ;) although he
Patricia, I am very sorry to hear or read your Haiku
about loving women. Did you make the poetry deadline?
Is it going into our book?
I am sorry more for your disappointments with men.
I don't trust them either. ---Don
I have always preferred women, too.
Hey, all you fluxypoets
great response!
This one isn't for the book but...
When I write haiku
I always seem to have one
syllable left o
ver
Roger
Children's poetry in The Poetry Zone
www.poetryzone.ndirect.co.uk
finger haiku
digits were designed
to count off the syllables
of five seven five
that's why we have them, you know
kisses,
patrishes
Roger Stevens wrote:
Hey, all you fluxypoets
great response!
This one isn't for the book but...
When I write haiku
I always seem to have one
syllable
Fluxlist is 8 letters
if you count the "l" twice
otherwise
it's only 7
and some say 7
has religious significance.
Yes, and if you rearrange the letters you get:
"Still Fux" and
"Fills Tux"
(whatever significance THAT reveals...I just don't know...)
B-GOOD
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fluxlist is 8 letters
if you count the "l" twice
otherwise
it's only 7
and some say 7
has religious
I would certainly count those lines as religiously significant, under
"blessings."
: )
A-V.GOOD
Rod Stasick wrote:
Yes, and if you rearrange the letters you get:
"Still Fux" and
"Fills Tux"
(whatever significance THAT reveals...I just don't know...)
B-GOOD
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After reading this, I am fearful of stepping outside...
for I live in(theme from Twilight Zone here)
"Butterfly Town."
http://www.pacificgrove.com/butterflies/index.html
Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
The butterflies have got
a secret agenda.
They want to kill us all
with chaos theory
Shatter
The operative word here is "think"
I am pissed off therefore I ponder...
Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote:
I think I'll become
a lover of women. I
no longer trust men.
This is very good haiku, IMNSHO.
I always loved women and have never trusted men,
so I can relate.
Myke
P.S. However, I
fluxlist is not flashy verbiage.
fluxlist is not strutting plumage.
fluxlist has curves.
fluxlist is not male.
If fluxlist were the latter, fluxlist would not be present.
Rod Stasick wrote:
) fluxlist is not remoistened.
q) fluxlist is not a broncobuster.
¦) fluxlist is not
Erase all former comments about men.
I'm just going to go exercise and get my endorphins going and
I'll feel much better.
Oh, and I'm going to let loose with my favorite string of cuss
words.
shithellfirewaterpisswampumpotashletumbuckwhoopee.
Have a nice day,
me
Patricia wrote:
fluxlist is
Roger,
here's one. Let me know what you think.
Jay Marvin
PAROLE IN LIBERTA
In our probation/parole office
are:
a bullet proof glass--
a metal detetector--
Forms to fill out
Whereabouts
whenabouts
iris and poppy
dazzling this morning
purple and white
pink and salmon
peonies pink
white and red
lots of weeds too
think i'll go back to bed
carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sixsix-ths
in
browse
su
ne
andre
en
...pez
technique:
6 books (any)
pages 66 in every book
sixth word of every page
sixsix-ths
error
do-while
files
logical
can
options
Myke
3' x 5' = 15'
(or, every 15 seconds i look at the scrolling marquee):
F A C E S P L O T T O K Y O
C L I C K H O U S E P L A N
D E L A Y A R S E N I C C L I C K
N E W S L E B A N O N K I L L
B A N B E A T T O
C R I S T I N E W A N G2000
maybe it's not chance
maybe it's just random
and anyway, I like the role the brain plays
the same with sounds
the same with art
go and look at a field
listen to the world clanking by
but as soon as you make any decision to intervene...
so is it all about setting up procedures
and then seeing
vewol mevoments
vewel movemonts
vowel mevoments
vewol mevemonts
vowel movements
-Roger
Just returned from walking Judy, our Collie, on the beach
and I was thinking about chance
How do you use chance in poetry - or art - art? Is it possible?
Well, you can throw a dice.
But to do that you first have to make a decision - so at best you're only
introducing
a slight chance element.
Genetic Code
(or, the mind/body problem solved)
mindnbsp/mind
In 1972 after much reading of Cage and a personal
letter from him, regarding my having been "let go" (fired)at Kenyon College, I
developed a poetry technique which
I later termed "Fluxpoems." At that time I cut out words from
Magazines and newspapers, usually in bold type (similar to
what a
proletarianism? It's reminiscent of the posing my SWP friends did back in
the early seventies. There's a period charm to it, but.
-Original Message-
From: Reed Altemus [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 9:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Poetry
Did Cage benefit George's garbageman?
Please! Garbageperson.
(followed by a bunch of Popeye yuks . . .)
BestPoet
(who, as near as I can figure, is a female, not a male)
BP
I dunno y eye thot u were mail. OK then garbageperson. So you've been
eating spinach before you write. Ah, that's the trick.
RA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did Cage benefit George's garbageman?
Please! Garbageperson.
(followed by a bunch of Popeye yuks . . .)
BestPoet
(who, as near as
Hi Roger
I'm sending you these off list because it's too much to post and I'd
rather not have this recent stuff read on FLUXLIST right now. One
caveat: I think it should be called something like "Fluxlist Poetry
Chapbook" or anything "Fluxlist" rather than Fluxus per se. Of course
others may
So, what is a voice? And what is "the habitual voice"? in your opinion?
Well, I was winging it when I said that, but now that you call me on it...
;-)
Actually, I think Cage was more exactly concerned about how our taste was
conditioned. Our likes and dislikes. He used chance operations and
Apologies to the list for that which was exactly what I didn't want to do. My
mistake.
Reed
I'm quite glad you didit And the words have a splendid pattern and
mellifluous undulating volumes. Well done.
PK
Reed Altemus wrote:
Apologies to the list for that which was exactly what I didn't want to do. My
mistake.
Reed
You'd be right to say that this is only in the cultural
sphere, but I guess Cage saw his work as possibly being a model for other
social relations.
Yes, a model. I agree. I like the way you're looking at things holistically. I
do that to (on a good day).
RA
Greater Care/ Reply Function
common practice
refresh memory
provide context
paraphrasing time
evolving conversation
hairy chested
lengthy problem
reply function?
lengthy Buroughs
passages
offering
problem context
hairy conversation
refresh memory
please
PK Harris
25 April 2000
Well, I do agree with you about Cage. I made the point recently to someone
that
Cage was never the anarchist he claimed to be in all his interviews and
books.
Real anarchy would have threatened his position as an artist.
How so? Cage was an anarchist in the American individualist tradition of
Of course, I'm not a Fluxus poet, and I rather like seeing the persona of
the
writer expressed.
I don't see Cage's work as "depersonalization", in the sense of eliminating
personality. ...what would that end up being? Nihilism. And Cage was by no
means a nihilist.
I think what he's working
In a message dated 04/24/2000 7:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is a voice? ... I think what Cage was against was the habitual voice.
He wanted to transform speaking, music.
Thanks George.
I do agree with what you say about Cage, and, as I said, this wasn't
George Free wrote:
Well, I do agree with you about Cage. I made the point recently to someone
that
Cage was never the anarchist he claimed to be in all his interviews and
books.
Real anarchy would have threatened his position as an artist.
How so? Cage was an anarchist in the American
I don't think one could consider Cage, MacLow or Rothenberg
"depersonalized"--they are very distinctive voices.
The use of chance is a technique--what changes it from the
abitrary or the "meer permutation" is that the elements used for the
procedures are CHOSEN by the
AK
Thanks for the advice. I will think it over. Dead poets are infinitely preferable to
nothing and I hate the idea of an older poet befriending me and being my mentor. So I
take yr comments w/a grain of salt.
RA
ann klefstad wrote:
r
Well, I do agree with you about Cage. I made the
In a message dated 04/23/2000 12:52:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I think Language poetry, and other poetries that weighted linguistic
experimentation heavier than expression, were driven by several things in
their
historical moment.
1. Lowell et al, all
then we'll go for it, as that old Fluxus devil Rimbaud used to say
Well, isnt it all about lifestyle, more or less ?
We could start a thread about R.D.Laings conversations with children, to
switch to our century.
"L'Elegance, la science, la violence", had it as a motto on my first
In a message dated 04/22/2000 1:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George Free wrote:
If production was involved, it should be of the non-expressive,
non-intentional sort -- a la Cage, Mac Low etc.
Anyone read the "Gematria" stuff that Jerome Rothenberg did?
In a message dated 04/22/2000 5:07:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George et al
It's the Cagean "depersonalization of the artist" chance operations
proceedures which account for this bias. Jackson MacLow's poetry is an
excellent
example.
RA
Ye-ah, I
What makes Fluxus poetry different from other varieties?
I think it might just involve hearing and seeing words differently -- with
"happy new ears" (Cage). And not necessarily writing or otherwise saying
these words. Just being receptive and open to the the linguistic world
around you.
If
If production was involved, it should be of the non-expressive,
non-intentional sort -- a la Cage, Mac Low etc.
of course Emmett Williams, Dick Higgins and Allison Knowles
sum very straight stuff written while doing laundry after a failed
relationship last year and then relaundered (today) in the William
Burroughs cutup machine
Your text:
Date Thu, 15 Jul 1999 190248 -0700 From Patricia Subject more
laundry rum(room)inations Why
exactly are these driers
Roger
I'm in on that. Can do.
RA
Roger Stevens wrote:
How about a book of Fluxus poetry?
Anyone interested?
I'd be happy to collate it, send copies to contributors etc...
R.S.V.P
Roger (poet)
Children's poetry in The Poetry Zone
www.poetryzone.ndirect.co.uk
George Free wrote:
If production was involved, it should be of the non-expressive,
non-intentional sort -- a la Cage, Mac Low etc.
Anyone read the "Gematria" stuff that Jerome Rothenberg did? It's
Flux-related, as it's process-oriented, nonexpressive (that is,
expresses the language as a
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