On 2010-03-04, at 18:12, Alejandro Garcia wrote:
Now given those rules:
If in system A I set one of the nodes to TRUE I don't know the state
of the whole system.
This system is harder to know it has 16 possible states (2^4)
If in system B I set bottom node to TRUE then turns out all the
On 2010-03-05, at 00:06, Michael Arnoldus wrote:
So my suggestions was to use complexity in the context of improving
programmer (FSE) productivity. And I hinted at some possible
measurements that might be useful for this. I however do not in any
way pretend this is clear enough to work as
On 2010/03/06, at 03:34 , John Zabroski wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Kurt Stephens k...@kurtstephens.com
wrote:
Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
John,
Where else should I look?
In my opinion what is missing in the languages
formulations is sustainability of the system. [*]
In
On 2010-05-02, at 2:51, Gerry J wrote:
At Andrey's reference (2),there was an example that TCP/IP could be
modelled in less than a hundred LOC, whereas a C code version might
be more than an order of magnitude larger.
Is that model available?
I've not read it closely, but it seems we
On 2010/05/10, at 18:21 , John Nilsson wrote:
When reading about the TCP/IP implementation in OMeta it strikes me
that parsing the
ASCII-art is still text. Isn't it kind of silly to spend all that
syntax on representing
something as fundamental as a table?
ASCII-art is not so bad. If
On 2010/10/15, at 00:14 , Steve Dekorte wrote:
I have to wonder how things might be different if someone had made a
tiny, free, scriptable Smalltalk for unix before Perl appeared...
There has been GNU smalltalk for a long time, AFAIR before perl, which
was quite adapted to the unix
Mohamed Samy samy2...@gmail.com writes:
Hi everyone,
I've created an educational programming language (Arabic based) and
now attempting to test it on some children in my family, talking with
some schools...etc
One of the major design directions for it was the concept of nested
Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com writes:
I have a little off-topic question.
Why are there so few programming languages with true Polish syntax? I
mean, prefix notation, fixed arity, no parens (except, maybe, for
lists, sequences or similar). And of course, higher order functions.
The only
Toby Schachman t...@alum.mit.edu writes:
This half hour talk from Zed Shaw is making rounds,
https://vimeo.com/43380467
The first half is typical complaints about broken w3 standards and
processes. The second half is his own observations on the difficulties
of teaching OOP. He then suggests
John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com writes:
Folks,
Arguing technical details here misses the point. For example, a
different conversation can be started by asking Why does my web
hosting provider say I need an FTP client? Already technology is way
too much in my face and I hate seeing
David Leibs david.le...@oracle.com writes:
I have kinda lost track of this thread so forgive me if I wander off
in a perpendicular direction.
I believe that things do not have to continually get more and more
complex. The way out for me is to go back to the beginning and start
over (which
John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com writes:
On Jun 15, 2012 2:39 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon p...@informatimago.com
wrote:
John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com writes:
Sorry, you did not answer my question, but instead presented excuses
for why programmers misunderstand people. (Can I
Iian Neill iian.d.ne...@gmail.com writes:
And I suspect the fact that BASIC was an interpreted language had a
lot to do with fostering experimentation play.
BASIC wasn't interpreted. Not always. What matters is not interpreter
or compiler, but to have an INTERACTIVE environment, vs. a BATCH
Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon a écrit :
Unfortunately, [CS is] not generalized yet, like mathematics of history.
Did you mean history of mathematics? Or something like this?
http://www.ted.com/talks/jean_baptiste_michel_the_mathematics_of_history.html
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
And seems to have turned into something about needing to recreate the
homebrew computing milieu, and everyone learning to program - and
perhaps why don't more
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
Indeed. The French National Education is answering to that question
with its educational programme, and the newly edited manual.
https://wiki.inria.fr/sciencinfolycee/TexteOfficielProgrammeISN
https
BGB cr88...@gmail.com writes:
general programming probably doesn't need much more than pre-algebra
or maybe algebra level stuff anyways, but maybe touching on other
things that are useful to computing: matrices, vectors, sin/cos/...,
the big sigma notation, ...
Definitely. Programming needs
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
No, no, no. That's the point of our discussion. There's a need to
increase computer-literacy, actually programming-literacy of the
general public.
The situation where everybody would be able (culturally
BGB cr88...@gmail.com writes:
and, one can ask: does your usual programmer actually even need to
know who the past US presidents were and what things they were known
for? or the differences between Ruminant and Equine digestive systems
regarding their ability to metabolize cellulose?
maybe
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
No, no, no. That's the point of our discussion. There's a need to
increase computer-literacy, actually programming-literacy
BGB cr88...@gmail.com writes:
but you can't really afford a house without a job, and can't have a
job without a car (so that the person can travel between their job and
their house).
Job is an invention of the Industrial era. AFAIK, our great great grand
parents had houses.
I don't really
David-Sarah Hopwood david-sa...@jacaranda.org writes:
On 17/07/12 02:15, BGB wrote:
so, typically, males work towards having a job, getting lots money, ... and
will choose
females based mostly how useful they are to themselves (will they be
faithful, would they
make a good parent, ...).
John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu writes:
I just had a weird though, maybe there is some precedence?
If we were to do software development in a more organic manner,
accepting the nature of complex systems as being... complex. In such a
setting we might have no blue-print (static source code) to
John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu writes:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon
p...@informatimago.com wrote:
Joke apart, people are still resiting a lot to stochastic software.
One problem with random spreading of updates is that its random.
Random as in where it's applied
Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org writes:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 02:28:18PM +0200, John Nilsson wrote:
More work relative to an approach where full specification and controll is
feasible. I was thinking that in a not to distant future we'll want to
build systems of such complexity that we need to
Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org writes:
On 2 October 2012 16:21, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, Alan Kay is too polite to say what
we all know to be the case, which is that things
are far inferior to where they could have been
if people had listened to what he was saying in the
Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr writes:
Pascal J. Bourguignon a écrit :
The problem is not the sources of the message. It's the receiptors.
Even if it's true, it doesn't help. Unless you see that as an advice
to just give up, that is.
Assuming we _don't_ give up, who can we reach
Paul Homer paul_ho...@yahoo.ca writes:
The on-going work to enhance the system would consistent of modeling data,
and creating
transformations. In comparison to modern software development, these would be
very little
pieces, and if they were shared are intrinsically reusable (and
John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu writes:
I read that post about constraints and kept thinking that it should be
the infrastructure for the next generation of systems development, not
art assets :)
In my mind it should be possible to input really fuzzy constraints
like It should have a good
John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu writes:
Isn't the pattern language literature exactly that? An effort to
typeset and edit interesting design artifacts.
Unless you're programming in lisp(*), reading a program written with
patterns is like looking at the wave form of Hello world! said aloud.
(*)
Carl Gundel ca...@psychesystems.com writes:
“If there are contradictions in the design, the program shouldn't
compile.”
How can a compiler know how to make sense of domain specific
contradictions? I can only imagine the challenges we would face if
compilers operated in this way.
John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com writes:
My coworker actually delivered a system with programmer's undo; it
was called a reversible debugger in 1993--before IDEs were popular.
There's also the more recent debugging backward in time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpI8hIgOyko
With the
David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com writes:
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon
p...@informatimago.com wrote:
David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com writes:
On Apr 14, 2013 9:46 AM, Tristan Slominski
tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote:
A mechanic
Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com writes:
Hi David
This is an interesting slant on a 50+ year old paramount problem (and
one that is even more important today).
Licklider called it the communicating with aliens problem. He said
50 years ago this month that if we succeed in constructing the
Iliya Georgiev ikgeorg...@gmail.com writes:
Hello,
I am addressing this letter mainly to Mr. Alan Kay and his fellows at
VPRI. I have an idea how to reduce complexity in educating children
to program. This seems to be a part of a goal of the VPRI to improve
powerful ideas education for the
Daniel W Gelder daniel.w.gel...@gmail.com writes:
The original question seems to be how to maintain links when the file
is moved or renamed. Perhaps the file could have a unique ID in the
file system, and the link would try the given pathname, but if it's
not there, try the unique ID. Would
Josh McDonald j...@joshmcdonald.info writes:
Why should links be in the filesystem, rather than an application /
UI construct?
For a lot of reasons. But the question is justified.
- because it would be more modular and represent more code reuse, to
factorize out the management of links
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