Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Martin Frb
On 16/03/2015 14:18, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hello Martin, On 2015-03-16 13:17, Martin Frb wrote: Local commits (commit, without push) can be a huge advantage. Ah yes, but they loved the idea shortly afterwards. As I said they *can* be a huge advantage. svn up is roughly equal to:

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Nikolay Nikolov
On 16.3.2015 г. 14:24, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: I can also add that SubVersion has *no* concept of Tags. To SubVersion there is no difference between a Tag and a Branch. Why do I say that? Simply because you can create a Tag in the repository, and then start adding commits to it just mind

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Martin, On 2015-03-16 13:17, Martin Frb wrote: Local commits (commit, without push) can be a huge advantage. Ah yes, but they loved the idea shortly afterwards. Then weeks later when I mentioned the rebase command to neaten up local commits before you make it public - that was another

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Nikolay Nikolov
On 03/16/2015 11:34 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: But again, use whatever fits you best. I did deep evaluations of many systems, then made my choice. So far, I'm very happy with my choice and outcome. Yes, we *know*. You have made us well aware of this fact. :) Nikolay

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Martin, On 2015-03-16 12:35, Martin Frb wrote: better product, simply means: Compared to others it scores better on more use cases. Agreed. :-) Different people learn in different ways. There will be a fair share of people for whom taking their first steps into using a repository

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: If you want facts, then do a Google search. See the exponential growth of projects migrating from SubVersion (or other systems) to Git. Qt, KDE, Linux Kernel etc - they are massive projects and must have had very good reason to move to Git. The Linux developers moved

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread vfclists .
On 16 March 2015 at 11:50, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-ot...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: If you want facts, then do a Google search. See the exponential growth of projects migrating from SubVersion (or other systems) to Git. Qt, KDE, Linux Kernel etc - they are

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Frank, On 2015-03-16 12:08, vfclists . wrote: have there been any good surveys supporting that conclusion? Yes, mine. :-P G. ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: A better metric might be finding somebody who offers a selection of VCS protocols (possibly with a common backend- I believe such things exist?) and then looking at the relative use for checkouts etc. You can start by looking at the

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Mark, On 2015-03-16 11:50, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: details perhaps they'd explain them, after all /somebody/ has to give Graeme something concrete on which to build his argument :-) hehehe... Just watch Linus's Google Tech Talk on YouTube. ;-) I can also add that SubVersion has *no*

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Martin Frb
On 16/03/2015 09:23, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: As the majority of developers would tell you, Git is simply the better product at this stage. That I can live with. There is a 2nd potential point of confusion to it. better product, simply means: Compared to others it scores better on more use

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Martin, On 2015-03-16 14:35, Martin Frb wrote: A simple git alias can do that for you all in one command. ;-) And in a GUI? The only GUI on windows that was to my taste, is Tortoise. And exactly why I don't bother with 3rd party GUI frontends. They *all* lack git features. I found

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Florian, On 2015-03-16 19:51, Florian Klämpfl wrote: But why do you use Pascal then? Sadly, I'm slowly moving to Java. Go where the work is. Regards, Graeme ___ fpc-other maillist - fpc-other@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hello Mark, On 2015-03-16 11:50, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: details perhaps they'd explain them, after all /somebody/ has to give Graeme something concrete on which to build his argument :-) hehehe... Just watch Linus's Google Tech Talk on YouTube. ;-) I can also add

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 16.03.2015 um 13:53 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: Hello Martin, On 2015-03-16 12:35, Martin Frb wrote: better product, simply means: Compared to others it scores better on more use cases. Agreed. :-) Different people learn in different ways. There will be a fair share of people

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 16.03.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: As the majority of developers would tell you, Git is simply the better product at this stage. If you want facts, then do a Google search. See the exponential growth of projects migrating from SubVersion (or other systems) to Git. Qt, KDE,

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Martin, On 2015-03-15 20:32, Martin Frb wrote: But that does not change, that there are developers who store their projects in GIT, but who do not use the features at all. For such a developer it can be said, that even CVS has more feature, than the set of features they use in GIT.

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Martin, On 2015-03-15 20:49, Martin Frb wrote: I did judge your statement on it, that /As 99% of developers would tell you, Git is simply// the better product./ My apologies if there has been some confusion. Probably down to a language barrier issue. In the context the usage of 99%

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, vfclists . said: Now Florian, considering your preference for GUI tools, won't the development of cross platform Git GUI surpassing Tortoise Git, Github and Atlassian's tools, SmartGit and whatever be the best advert for Lazarus and FPC? There would such a major flow

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hello Florian, On 2015-03-15 14:40, Florian Klämpfl wrote: with git-svn 'git svn' is super useful - I use it often. It is merely a stop-gap though. It limits a git repo (features) a lot. But like I said, it is still useful. Regards, Graeme ___

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 15.03.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Florian Klämpfl: Am 15.03.2015 um 15:11 schrieb vfclists .: Somehow all this indifference to Git bothers me because it seems they are ignoring the greater realities of life. If a new generation are going to get involved with FPC and Lazarus development, and

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread vfclists .
On 15 March 2015 at 13:21, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 15.03.2015 um 13:06 schrieb Paul Breneman: On 03/15/2015 05:44 AM, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 15.03.2015 um 11:10 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: NOBODY I know has ever considered going back to SubVersion after using

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 15.03.2015 um 15:11 schrieb vfclists .: Somehow all this indifference to Git bothers me because it seems they are ignoring the greater realities of life. If a new generation are going to get involved with FPC and Lazarus development, and the main developers are really concerned with all

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi, On 2015-03-15 14:11, vfclists . wrote: I think such a tool with documentation on how it was built would be the best advert for Lazarus and FreePascal. Graeme? I've tried ever GUI tool under the sun for Git. They all have there faults. In most cases they often get confused about the actual

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hello Mark Morgan, If you /don't/ mind, the name is Mark Morgan Lloyd. The original Morgan Lloyd (strictly, Morgan Llwyd) was a churchman of considerable renown, and at some point my family adopted his name which persists to the current generation. As far as the

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Martin Frb
On 15/03/2015 20:32, Martin Frb wrote: I'm not talking about just installing it and not doing anything with it - that's NOT using a product, so you can't review it based on that. I forget that in my reply: That is what some people do (and what I pointed out): install, but not really use.

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread vfclists .
On 15 March 2015 at 16:13, Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 15.03.2015 15:11, vfclists . wrote: I think the main FPC developers need to realize that sooner or later they are allow going to retire from FPC development and move onto other things, or just retire form working

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Luca Olivetti
El 15/03/15 a les 11:10, Graeme Geldenhuys ha escrit: Hello Mark Morgan, I wasn't going to reply because I've had enough fruitless debates in these mailing lists. But here I go again - I just can't help myself - especially if I see false statement being thrown around as if they are fact.

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Martin Frb
Reading the replies I can clearly see that neither of you have ever used Git for actual work. I have, and I do. That said, only for maybe 6 to 9 month by now, and in that time I might well only have scratched the surface of it, and yet much to discover. But never mind how well I know it, that

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Martin Frb
Reading the replies I can clearly see that neither of you have ever used Git for actual work. I have, and I do. That said, only for maybe 6 to 9 month by now, and in that time I might well only have scratched the surface of it, and yet much to discover. But never mind how well I know it, that

Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-15 Thread Paul Breneman
On 03/15/2015 08:21 AM, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 15.03.2015 um 13:06 schrieb Paul Breneman: On 03/15/2015 05:44 AM, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 15.03.2015 um 11:10 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: NOBODY I know has ever considered going back to SubVersion after using Git. Good to know that upper