Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-09 Thread Shane Ambler
On 9/10/18 3:15 am, Matt S wrote: > It really seems like the project would benefit from having better hardware > stats. If you make it a package, people have to be educated to get it and > use it--not that it doesn't have value, it just isn't well exposed and you > will only get stats from the

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-08 Thread Matt S
I don't see how "dark pattern" applies because this doesn't trick you into an ongoing subversive data-sharing arrangement. In this idea, install asks you if you want to share stats once--you are not opted in to a system. Then, when processing upgrades, the Handbook would remind you that the report

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-08 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:48 AM Matt S wrote: > It really seems like the project would benefit from having better hardware > stats. If you make it a package, people have to be educated to get it and > use it--not that it doesn't have value, it just isn't well exposed and you > will only get

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-08 Thread Matt S
It really seems like the project would benefit from having better hardware stats. If you make it a package, people have to be educated to get it and use it--not that it doesn't have value, it just isn't well exposed and you will only get stats from the most clueful users. I would suggest making

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 11:23 PM Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2018-Oct-07 23:41:43 +, Roger Leigh wrote: > >Out of interest, has FreeBSD considered implementing an equivalent of > >Debian's "popularity-contest" package, which periodically submits > >anonymised lists of installed packages? On

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2018-Oct-07 23:41:43 +, Roger Leigh wrote: >Out of interest, has FreeBSD considered implementing an equivalent of >Debian's "popularity-contest" package, which periodically submits >anonymised lists of installed packages? On FreeBSD this could be from >the pkg database, and could also

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:45 PM Roger Leigh wrote: > On 07/10/2018 05:40, Warner Losh wrote: > > >> I'd like to request as many people as possible submit > >> their current dmesg to the service at > http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi so > >> that we have a better basis for future preliminary

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On 07/10/2018 05:40, Warner Losh wrote: I'd like to request as many people as possible submit their current dmesg to the service at http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi so that we have a better basis for future preliminary lists of drivers for other parts of the tree. This one-liner works to

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 11:27 AM Kevin Oberman wrote: > He's looking for information on what drivers are still needed, so only if > the SCSI drives require in different drivers (unlikely) would that be > needed. I suspect that, unless you use CardBus type stuff, just the > /var/run/dmesg.boot

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM Roderick wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, Warner Losh wrote: > > > As you can tell, the project is looking to clear some of the deadwood > from > > its driver lists. One problem is that we have to guess what's in used > based > > on our personal experience. This has

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Kevin Oberman
Warner said that he would look at submissions in about a month. "I'll be using the data in about a month to look at old parallel scsi driver use." He's looking for information on what drivers are still needed, so only if the SCSI drives require in different drivers (unlikely) would that be

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Roderick
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, Warner Losh wrote: As you can tell, the project is looking to clear some of the deadwood from its driver lists. One problem is that we have to guess what's in used based on our personal experience. This has proven to be less reliable than hoped in the 10/100 discussions

Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:23 PM Warner Losh wrote: > [[ I sent this to -current earlier in the day, but I thought I'd widen the > scope ]] > > Greetings, > > As you can tell, the project is looking to clear some of the deadwood from > its driver lists. One problem is that we have to guess what's

dmesg submission service -- please submit today

2018-10-07 Thread Warner Losh
[[ I sent this to -current earlier in the day, but I thought I'd widen the scope ]] Greetings, As you can tell, the project is looking to clear some of the deadwood from its driver lists. One problem is that we have to guess what's in used based on our personal experience. This has proven to be