Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Günther Greindl
Orlando, Orlando Leibovitz wrote: essential. In this regard I am quoting Martha Graham to Agnes De snip I think they apply to scientific creativity but I'm not sure. What a wonderful quote, thanks!! And yes, I absolutey believe that good science should be conducted in this way too.

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Ann Racuya-Robbins
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Günther Greindl Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:07 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2 Hi, Orlando here, What is it that allows

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Ann Racuya-Robbins
I agree that the intelligence of these people in relation to other people is usually overrated. I would take this a bit further...I would say that the intelligence of most people is grossly underrated. I think the mindset that is looking for insight in a few of us is missing the vast amount of

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Douglas Roberts
Couldn't disagree more. Examples of why, in my opinion, the aggregate assessment of human intelligence is highly inflated: 1. Bush. Elected. Twice. (Florida vote count issue notwithstanding). 2. Americans continuing to buy fuel hogging cars even after the warning supplied by the

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
I think being able to use mathematical symbology on the friam would be wonderful but not if the syntax is not pliable to speak in new ways. “One man’s rigor is another man’s mortis” Bohren, Craig F. and B. A. Albrecht (1998). Atmospheric Thermodynamics.

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Steve Smith
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote: I agree here againthe possibility of ridicule and being willing to be considered a fool are involved in original insight (creativity). In fact even in this friam forum I have felt a kind of ridicule (you dont know anything about mathematics) when I am

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Ann Racuya-Robbins
Precisely, who is the man here which is the rigor which is the mortis? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Owen Densmore
The Wisdom of Crowds posits 4 criteria for a crowd to be wise: http://tinyurl.com/mbmnb Diversity, Independence, Decentralized, Mechanism for aggregation. -- Owen On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Couldn't disagree more. Examples of why, in my opinion, the aggregate

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Ann Racuya-Robbins
Sure. We could also meet at the Mission Café for lunch Wed, Thurs or Fri next week would work for me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:36 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: Mary-Charlotte

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote: Precisely, who is the man here which is the rigor which is the mortis? It's possible to program a computer in English. It's also possible to make an airplane controlled by reins and spurs. John McCarthy, Father of Artificial Intelligence, Professor Emeritus

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Douglas Roberts
Stupid is as stupid does. -- Forrest Gump. -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Wisdom of Crowds posits 4 criteria for a crowd to be wise:

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Rikus Combrinck
People who wish to analyse nature without using mathematics must settle for a reduced understanding. - Richard Feynman FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Ken Lloyd
People who wish to analyze nature with a reduced understanding of mathematics must settle for misunderstanding. - Ken Lloyd ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rikus Combrinck Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:43 PM To: The Friday

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

2008-08-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote: I think this creative content emerges from two interacting “facts” qualities of their experience: 1. Some people come to such an acceptance and trust in their own sensibility, you might say their unique or individual sensibility, that they use it every day and

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Orlando Leibovitz
People who wish to analyze nature without the ineffable must settle for the understandable. Orlando Leibovitz Ken Lloyd wrote: People who wish to analyze nature with a reduced understanding of mathematics must settle for misunderstanding. - Ken Lloyd ;) -Original Message- From:

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

2008-08-01 Thread Orlando Leibovitz
Marcus, If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always ignored, would that be a problem for you? O Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote: I think this creative content emerges from two interacting “facts” qualities of their experience: 1. Some people come

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

2008-08-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Orlando Leibovitz wrote: If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always ignored, would that be a problem for you? I'm just responding to what I understood the proposed scenario to be: A person develops an internal executive process and communicates it to few other people.

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

2008-08-01 Thread Orlando Leibovitz
Marcus, Thanks. I agree. O Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Orlando Leibovitz wrote: If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always ignored, would that be a problem for you? I'm just responding to what I understood the proposed scenario to be: A person develops an

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Microsoft Rolls Out Publishing and Research Tools for Academics

2008-08-01 Thread Russell Standish
After some 25 years of disinterest? Lets say the proof will be in the pudding. On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 09:06:52AM -0600, Tom Johnson wrote: All: This might -- MIGHT -- be another answer to Owen's search for an equation tool. See: http://chronicle.com/free/2008/07/4049n.htm and

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-01 Thread Steve Smith
While I am a big fan of Richard Feynman and a mathematician at heart (and physicist by training), I have to note: "People who limit their apprehension of nature to that which can be analyzed by mathematics must settle for misapprehension" - Steve Mathematics is for those who are bad at