Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
Values systems are the entailments of arbitrary preferences. Some preferences have had longer to churn than others and so have had more time to be elaborated and more people reflecting on them. This doesn't make them more valuable because they lack grounding. The adherents of these values

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
Hope: "/doing the right thing, no matter how you think it will turn out/" On 10/8/23 2:21 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I would center nihilism not on devaluation but on deconstruction. If value is about a set of lived experiences, is it a detached reflection on something special that

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
I would center nihilism not on devaluation but on deconstruction. If value is about a set of lived experiences, is it a detached reflection on something special that was discovered, or more because of membership in that ecology – because of an investment? Deep membership makes it harder to

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
Oops, found the roundtable discussion appendix and missed Wendy Brown's actual Tanner lecture: Politics and Knowledge in Nihilistic Times: Thinking with Max Weber - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG52tEGghTA - “Politics” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXm_0DxoS_k - “Knowledge” -- rec --

Re: [FRIAM] cults

2023-10-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
Feels like an AI-fake, or maybe time erodes us into the worst imaginings of our enemies. -- rec -- On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 12:02 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > I was tempted to dive into the L vs. E as it may apply to psychology and > sociology, but will just offer this instead. Formal

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
The book sounds intriguing, but it's not in my lending library. Happily, there are lots of Tanner Lecture videos available online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-MCqeCILs Wendy Brown from 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJprCvmrpoY Kim Stanley Robinson from March 2023 -- rec --

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
It’s a good point/counterpinet, Pieter. I don’t want to stand against using new tools to relieve a scarcity constraint, and surely education has been a severe one. I have what appears to be an enormous suspicion of a bait and switch, in which suddenly we find ourselves in a world where

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
Zang! I had not made that connection. Hmmh. What do I think? I seem to have viewed uninterpreted models much as I view a hammer or a shovel; as a tool in the world for doing a certain job (in this case, a job of perceiving the world in valid ways), neither here nor there w.r.t. questions of

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: “Bears on how many things make up the machinery of nihilism, extending well beyond relations I recognized as part of an integration, though mentioning many things I rail against in daily life.” The willingness of physicists to use uninterpreted models, e.g., quantum mechanics,