Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
That's only in you model, and leaves out the rest of the world. My hunch is it's good to watch the rest of the world for diverging continuities too... Phil Henshaw   NY NY www.synapse9.com -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
is not enough? Phil Henshaw   NY NY www.synapse9.com -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM

[FRIAM] bye

2009-01-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
or enough money put back as needed to relieve the system of unachievable obligations to them. Phil Henshaw   NY NY www.synapse9.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

2009-01-08 Thread Phil Henshaw
, mine and Noether's, are quite different. Certainly how hers has been used is greatly different from how I use mine. If anyone has questions. or finds a glitch. etc. I'd of course be interested. Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com From: Steve Smith [mailto:sasm...@swcp.com] Sent

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

2009-01-07 Thread Phil Henshaw
even an important feature of how complex systems work, how their development seems to rely on strings of wonderful found objects that seem to connect unusually well. I think that's a lot of what the mystery is. Best, Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com -- Owen

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

2009-01-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
been developed with unnecessary shortcuts that reduce its generality. Theorem http://www.synapse9.com/drtheo.pdf Background an applying to physical systems http://www.synapse9.com/physicsofchange.htm Best, Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com From: Saul Caganoff [mailto:scagan

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-05 Thread Phil Henshaw
Hmmm,. that does seem to be a problem for me sometimes.Didn't you build on other people's ideas and incorporate them in you models, and so create an inheritance connection between them? Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Phil Henshaw s

Re: [FRIAM] Calling all cladisticists

2009-01-05 Thread Phil Henshaw
as experimental, one might ask the contributors of the model be published in the community 'cladogram' about that, but it's going to end up looking like a network history map, which is a hard thing to read and probably as much of a challenge to analyze... Phil Henshaw   NY NY www.synapse9.com

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

2009-01-05 Thread Phil Henshaw
and subtracting steps) for the complex systems involved. Seeing how it's done naturally might give you ideas, or even help you replicate things of similar kinds. Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve

Re: [FRIAM] What to do with knowledge

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
changes unexpectedly with scale. Would you include that in your problem statement? Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:13 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied

[FRIAM] great paper on revolutionary change in systems

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
, there are discontinuities, but often observably in the mode of explanation used and not the physical process. Does anyone else also see the need to have gaps between modes of explanation for complex system features as a important reason for using the word 'complex' to describe them? Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] great paper on revolutionary change in systems

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
of explanation used and not the physical process. Does anyone else also see the need to have gaps between modes of explanation for complex system features as a important reason for using the word 'complex' to describe them? Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] What to do with knowledge

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
progress by turning in the same direction as before. It can be both necessary and rather difficult to convince people with institutional habits to consider remarkable concept like that. ;-) Phil Henshaw From: Russ Abbott [mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
amorphous computing.What you'd need maybe is someone to create a relational network map and have the authors of ABM's draw links with the ones it was based on somehow. ?? Phil Henshaw From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent

[FRIAM] encyclopedia entry on complex systems

2008-12-28 Thread Phil Henshaw
Hi, hope all are having a good holiday. I'd appreciate any comment on my condensed encyclopedia entry on the history and issues of complex systems science for the Encyclopedia of the Earth. The initial review comment was that I think it is a nice piece, and appropriate in terms of language,

Re: [FRIAM] art and science

2008-12-27 Thread Phil Henshaw
How about listing some of the true open questions, you know, what's missing from the view of science?That would be a kind of scientific use of art. So many of the 'portals' between mental universes seem to be through their respective dark matter. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Approximation in Science and Engineering

2008-12-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
For a course on approximation to omit individual case differences is curiously systemic, as that (individual case differences) is one of more important complex system properties … Phil Henshaw From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo

Re: [FRIAM] News You Can Lose: Financial Page: The New Yorker

2008-12-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
really grow. It sounds much too much like he's thinking of businesses as only columns in a spreadsheet... Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:02 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art - swarm example?

2008-12-17 Thread Phil Henshaw
24hr global air traffic image. http://www.clipjunkie.com/Global-Air-Traffic-vid4043.html Phil Henshaw FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Required Reading: News (Lessig Blog)

2008-12-14 Thread Phil Henshaw
If Lessig's idea is to make institutions that require trust to work better, wouldn't experts need to be interested in identifying their own expert errors to make that work.? If we found it fun to look for our untrustworthy assumptions, maybe we'd become more trustworthy... Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] what generally happens here

2008-12-04 Thread Phil Henshaw
that seems to fit. Another one would be who's environment?, which I think leads one back to ontology formation/niche construction. Is it not so much that prediction is bad but rather that it is quaint for the types of questions we want/need to ask? Carl Phil Henshaw wrote: Why prediction

Re: [FRIAM] what generally happens here

2008-12-04 Thread Phil Henshaw
think you were recently puzzling over why it's so very hard to communicate anything in particular.Do you think this mixed reference problem might have something to do with that? Phil Henshaw From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:57 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Wedtech to Friam: earthquakes

2008-12-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
vibration events and propagation fronts, etc. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:04 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] Wedtech to Friam: earthquakes Dear All, We have been having

Re: [FRIAM] what generally happens here

2008-12-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
information about how they might not quite apply too. but I guess that's not just a matter of clumsiness. So, is that saying it is so or it isn't so, I'm confused. ;-) Phil Henshaw From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:32 PM To: Phil Henshaw

[FRIAM] Reading the signals of environmental systems

2008-12-01 Thread Phil Henshaw
limits - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve Other Papers - http://www.synapse9.com/phpub.htm Physics of Happening –http://www.synapse9.com/drwork.htm Phil Henshawnatural systems design science

Re: [FRIAM] A Very Short Introduction to Everything

2008-11-30 Thread Phil Henshaw
... Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] A Very Short Introduction to Everything A Very Short

Re: [FRIAM] Stuart Kauffman

2008-11-23 Thread Phil Henshaw
individual systems, at least if you accept looking for simple questions first, and then looking around for others. Best Phil Henshaw systems design science .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040

[FRIAM] sure signals - when the problem has obviously changed or is about to

2008-11-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
could be simpler and more potentially useful, if also seemingly not understood? Wazup? What's not to get in that? Really.. Phil Henshaw FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's

Re: [FRIAM] funny shapes..

2008-11-21 Thread Phil Henshaw
the new behaviors as they develop. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Holmes Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:51 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] funny shapes.. Phil - thanks for your timely

[FRIAM] funny shapes..

2008-11-20 Thread Phil Henshaw
5yr Dow Monsanto today www.synapse9.com/issues/images/Dow5yr11.08.jpg www.synapse9.com/issues/images/Monsanto5yr11.08a.jpg Phil FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures,

[FRIAM] Today's Sci Times re: a common expert error

2008-11-18 Thread Phil Henshaw
) statistical means of measuring bias on test, that … gave them no chance to think it through or actually make a choice… Phil Henshaw FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures

Re: [FRIAM] The Black Swan

2008-11-18 Thread Phil Henshaw
is unsolvable.It explains why previously trustworthy systems can go hopelessly out of control.A usual part of expert error, of course, is reading “dismissal before content” in the usual peer review process. Is that truly as unsolvable as it seems? Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL

[FRIAM] how well meant system solutions backfire...

2008-11-17 Thread Phil Henshaw
/18obwater.html?ref=science Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] explorations: www.synapse9.com http

[FRIAM] Oops theory... ?

2008-11-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
being asked that question, but I think all the incompleteness theorems point to a quite clear answer of 'no'. Phil Henshaw FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Strogatz and Ratti video conversation

2008-11-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
the deterministic model, of course, but points to a gap in our rules where things could both exit and enter. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: [EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Strogatz and Ratti video conversation

2008-11-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
in terms of which rules we believe in, and that itself is a big mistake. Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:06 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject

Re: [FRIAM] Strogatz and Ratti video conversation

2008-11-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
of other forms to explore, and are not pushed in a way that disrupts their learning.It seems to be most basic to caring for systems you really must rely on to take care of themselves. Phil Henshaw From: peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8

2008-11-12 Thread Phil Henshaw
of their commitment, so long as they know if they want legal rights, obligations and recognitions from the government they need to pay $25 and sign a form too. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peggy miller Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:51 AM

Re: [FRIAM] Are your skills obsolete?

2008-11-12 Thread Phil Henshaw
Steve, [ph] So we see many of the same historic signs of explosive acceleration, it's just a fact, and how it's been accumulative (till last month anyway. :-) ) Look at how vastly each generations life experience has been from the last, going back as many generations as we have any personal

Re: [FRIAM] Are your skills obsolete?

2008-11-11 Thread Phil Henshaw
Does it just accelerate indefinitely, like the singularity guys propose?? Or does it reach some point of stabilization as a process, and a relative completion of the process of exploding rates of change? Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8

2008-11-11 Thread Phil Henshaw
, is the way to sort things out. Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:36 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8

Re: [FRIAM] Are your skills obsolete?

2008-11-11 Thread Phil Henshaw
likely to be verifiable if they're real. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:56 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Are your skills obsolete? Phil Henshaw

[FRIAM] the most powerful force?

2008-11-05 Thread Phil Henshaw
see growing incremental change as a progression over time, the pattern of explosions, but many people don’t seem to. How would I convey that to people who are not clear about it? Phil Henshaw Phil Henshaw AIA AAAS natural systems design science

Re: [FRIAM] In Praise of Doubt, and ...

2008-11-04 Thread Phil Henshaw
And the usual flaw being sure about how things would seem to have worked in the past, and possibly not notice them diverge over time.? Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:21 PM To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] In Praise of Doubt, and ...

2008-11-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yea, sort of like teaching creationism for science is teaching determinism for life.. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Fundamentalist-based Republicanism

2008-11-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
organization and behavior of their own almost no one happens to watch. We just give label with the latest news story stereotype and that settles it! I don’t think education seems to fix that disease in the situation where everyone apparently has it. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] how diminishing returns triggers investor flight collapse

2008-10-29 Thread Phil Henshaw
diminishing assets, one of those seemingly ‘unchanging’ general conditions that foretell enormous change. Does that help? Phil Henshaw From: Douglas Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

[FRIAM] how diminishing returns triggers investor flight collapse

2008-10-28 Thread Phil Henshaw
below the financial expectations guaranteed by central banks... :-( Best, Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~ 212-795-4844 680 Ft.Washington Ave NY NY 10040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] it's not finding what people say interesting, but finding

Re: [FRIAM] The true crisis is still to come

2008-10-27 Thread Phil Henshaw
resources will eventually cross the whole system profitability thresholds. Whether people see them coming or can explain it is not the first question. You just 'half answer' it at first, asking whether the kind of effect we should see fits the general picture of what we are seeing. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] The true crisis is still to come

2008-10-26 Thread Phil Henshaw
in the absence of similar physical system growth. We should learn from experience. The problem of collapse is not with the pins that prick our bubbles but the pumps that pump them to the point of bursting. Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [FRIAM] Greenspan - Bad data hurt Wall Street computer models - NYTimes.com

2008-10-25 Thread Phil Henshaw
emerging diminishing returns. The data was actually plentiful, though, hidden only by the people who didn't see the question! Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:20 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] MIT experts analyze financial crisis, debate cures

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Henshaw
. The solution is to notice the cognitive dissonance... you could say, and just ask the dumb questions. Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:06 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] MIT experts analyze financial crisis, debate cures

2008-10-24 Thread Phil Henshaw
to switch it off automatic. It's actually a quite useful question.The wonder to me is why science has not yet seemed to acknowledge that systems of change change things. Phil Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] MIT experts analyze financial crisis, debate cures

2008-10-23 Thread Phil Henshaw
Of course!, the reason they fooled everyone so completely was that they were designed to be completely sensible. That's what is meant by the black swan. Phil Henshaw   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent

Re: [FRIAM] New Journal

2008-10-19 Thread Phil Henshaw
Well. that you then get a list of ten pages of new journals describing new fields for discussing the problems of new information complexity and overload. might be the point. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gus Koehler Sent: Sunday, October 19

Re: [FRIAM] Blinded By Science - When models FAIL taking all the humans

2008-10-18 Thread Phil Henshaw
I sold enough for my own and my son's security for a time last Nov for what it's worth. I chose not to sell out to see how it felt to only 'cover my ass' and not act like leading the kind of 'flight to safety' that would bring whole systems down if copied. That did develop, of course, a few

Re: [FRIAM] The Blunders that lead to the catastrophe - Humpty Dumpty's modeling school

2008-10-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yes, there have been lots of blunders. We've also not been looking at how environment is becoming increasingly unresponsive, turning a great many of our assumptions about it upside down. :-o http://www.synapse9.com/issues/92-08Commodities2-sm.pdfThis is just one of many kinds of divergent

Re: [FRIAM] Selection, Reproductive rate, and Karrying Kapacity.

2008-10-15 Thread Phil Henshaw
follow it through, straighten all that out is considering systems as individual exploratory networks. Then you can still have independent ones that overlap and they still work fine, and all of them can have a role in mediating selection for all the others. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Selection, Reproductive rate, and Karrying Kapacity.

2008-10-15 Thread Phil Henshaw
Russ, That's a good example about the difference between breeding for the best bird vs. the best bird environment, but they don't immediately seem to address whether variation is developmental or random. It's tricky to find the hard evidence, but I don't know of anyone saying they could

Re: [FRIAM] Selection, Reproductive rate, and Karrying Kapacity.

2008-10-13 Thread Phil Henshaw
I agree with most of Nick's hesitations (except re: all caps.. :-)) Population expansion would increase the variety of individuals to be selected from, though.I think that was the idea behind Terry Deacon's theory, still with variation being random and constant, and using the same old

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting

2008-10-12 Thread Phil Henshaw
, 2008 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:54:45PM -0400, Phil Henshaw wrote: Russ, You say: I'm trying a slightly different tack with Tierra, of artificially

Re: [FRIAM] SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what is data anyway

2008-10-12 Thread Phil Henshaw
Peter, Nice, That's definitely very poetic, making clear why one needs to learn how to read beyond the facts and the data, as we are all taught never to do.! Still it seems to omit some of the tension within analysis which allows that to happen, and that Cousins and Whitehead both seem likely

Re: [FRIAM] Self-awareness and blind spots Was: Self-awareness

2008-10-10 Thread Phil Henshaw
Steve, Good, so if we're only to create a similarly huge number of unconsidered regions by acknowledging that some systems are both highly systematic and completely out of control, let's pick it apart a little. It is indeed sad that we seem to need such dramatic demonstrations as having our

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting

2008-10-10 Thread Phil Henshaw
Nick, I think I agree with you. You say So whether relaxed selection produces 'exploration of morphology space' will depend on the structure and stability of the environment in terms of size and longevity of the species. If the evidence, that S J Gould brought to everyone's attention, is that

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting

2008-10-10 Thread Phil Henshaw
Marcus, Well, epigenetics is important to understand and maybe looked at another way helps narrow the real question. We could consider the vast variation in canine breeds and the fact that breeding selection as an extreme form of epigenetics has not apparently altered the species they all belong

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting

2008-10-10 Thread Phil Henshaw
Russ, You say: I'm trying a slightly different tack with Tierra, of artificially inducing mass extinctions every now and then. I have also tried reducing parsimony pressure from time to time (I'm not sure what would be the biological world equivalent of this - possibly variation in background

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed Selection, a b-level posting

2008-10-10 Thread Phil Henshaw
Marcus says: Phil Henshaw wrote: We could consider the vast variation in canine breeds and the fact that breeding selection as an extreme form of epigenetics has not apparently altered the species they all belong to. Selection from breeding would mostly be constrained genetics, i.e

Re: [FRIAM] Self-awareness

2008-10-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
so, but for the most part I think of scientists as intellectually honest, as doing as good a job as they know how to do, and as willing to change their minds in the face of contrary evidence. -- Russ On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Phil Henshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, Oh, just

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

2008-10-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance) Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/07/2008 12:15 PM: Well, the reliance on competence is relative

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

2008-10-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
e. p. ropella Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance) Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/09/2008 04:48 AM: Right, but totally inconsistent with your first statement

Re: [FRIAM] Origami metaphor (Level b)

2008-10-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
Glen says, The idea was that math is just the transformation of one set of sentences into another set of sentences by a particular grammar. This is (weakly) analogous to the transformation of a piece of paper from one shape to another. But then the idea driving you to do that is your own

Re: [FRIAM] Self-awareness

2008-10-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
Steve, Well, might you also say science is self-organized to be 'robustly' avoiding the subject of uncontrolled systems too?? If something doesn't come to your attention because you're only looking for something else, it could seem to not exist. How do you explain the very large variety of

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-07 Thread Phil Henshaw
Or. another angle. Proofs represent discoveries about the invented grammar they use, with the proviso of so far as we can see? The way we define grammars changes to suite our intentions occasionally, but we're generally trying to identify things inherent in nature, for grammars drawn as

Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
To add to that, there seems to be a large institutional push for business and political funded mercenary scientific research to create uncertainty about legitimate science. A comment on David Michaels' in book Doubt is their product is in the 9/27 Science News sums it up. It's 1100 references

Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Well, where do you put inherited 'willful ignorance'? That kind is sort of 'built in'. There are two of these that my work repeatedly runs into and I fail to find a way around.One is the evident fact that the active parts of nature develop locally and have their own local reactions to

Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
The Matt Taibbi quote is an amazingly clear description of the dilemma of minds that make sense of things by plugging in stereotypes of the real world and so creating an imaginary one lacking internal conflicts. The error common to all such confusions seems to be discussing things in terms of

Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Well Russ, what if a group of scientists were to acknowledge that science actually just seems to be descriptive after all..., and looking through the holes one seems able to actually see signs of a physical world after all! Than sort of 'emperor's new clothes' moment might be enough to turn

Re: [FRIAM] Willful Ignorance

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Robert, You complain about the dominance of money??How about adding a way to cap the compounding of unearned income somewhere below infinity.? I can only model the negative image of that, what can't happen if that's not done, though. Very few people are exploring the consequences of

Re: [FRIAM] Relaxed selection

2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Jochen, That concept of alternating opportunistic and constrained developmental phases, 'relaxed' then 'fierce' selection regimes, sounds like a statistical version of the behavioral model that growth begins from minute beginnings in an environment without constraint except itself. When that kind

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:30 AM To: Phil Henshaw; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: RE: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order? PH wrote I too also find I make my best sense when talking to myself NT replies: Oh good lord! I

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
] or more simply, is there order? Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/02/2008 08:41 PM: [ph] Yes models would likely show signatures of how they are built, These are not necessarily signatures solely indicating how a model was _built_. In fact, since the same model can be built in many

[FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
the learning demands of a system beyond the responsiveness of its parts. Does that make any sense in terms of what you observe? Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
Ken, To make that divergent math work, your 2 + 2 = n + d is just the kind of dilemma with modeling the emerging divergent systems of nature that not studying divergent sequences distracts us from. There's a solution. Can you guess? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
and Observer http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/time http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/timeobs.htm obs.htm Ken _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:34 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
, but not explainable?Does that work, is that right ? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order? Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
'The Black Swan' was mentioned this AM on the radio in NY and I ordered a copy. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=si3_rdr_bb_author?index=booksfield%2dauthor%2d exact=Nassim%20Nicholas%20Taleb Nassim Taleb seems like a prolific writher and fascinating guy. The other author mentioned on the segment was

[FRIAM] then... how DO you tell the difference?

2008-10-01 Thread Phil Henshaw
that as a difference between how things?If so, how do you define or make the destinction? Best, Phil Henshawwww.synapse9.com .·´ ¯ `·. ~ 212-795-4844 680 Ft.Washington Ave NY NY 10040 [EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] This Economy Does Not Compute - and the fix

2008-10-01 Thread Phil Henshaw
Another way to say why there is a phase transition to instability there is that it is inherent in pushing learning tasks to exceed their response times. Becoming incoherent in response is a kind of system failure that leads to systems to collapse for any critical part. That is part of that

Re: [FRIAM] This Economy Does Not Compute - and the fix

2008-10-01 Thread Phil Henshaw
Oh yes... how the fix for the need for a Goldilocks magic in setting the price for unmarketable assets. It's very simple. Just use your best realistic guess. You don't worry about putting the tax payer on the hook by including the provision that the costs of stabilizing a system brought down

[FRIAM] the purpose of science

2008-10-01 Thread Phil Henshaw
overshoot. That's what I dubbed it anyway, the prudent choice to not push the learning demands of a system beyond the responsiveness of its parts. Does that make any sense in terms of what you observe? Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread Phil Henshaw
crunch and the control system misbehavior fishtailing. If people want to know what to do to reduce the level of the calamity even at this point they should ask. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:06 PM

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance

2008-09-28 Thread Phil Henshaw
Marcus, Thanks for acknowledging that there at least might be some process behind the buzz words being used in the pop culture discussion of events. The so called 'sub-prime crisis' is referred to using a stereotype for ancient and long discredited people and practices. I think it's inadequate

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance

2008-09-28 Thread Phil Henshaw
, September 28, 2008 1:24 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance Phil Henshaw wrote: If offering opportunity for mischief isn't a direct physical cause in this very one sided kind of case, then tell me why it's so extremely

[FRIAM] data opportunity

2008-09-26 Thread Phil Henshaw
Our fascination in physics with colliders shows that large data sets of things banging into each other is a potential gold mine of complex systems data. The big non-linear colliders in the economic system are producing a storm of data on fishtailing control mechanisms at the present, and a

Re: [FRIAM] For the physicist geeks in the group

2008-09-25 Thread Phil Henshaw
What about the bigger non-linear real world colliders?I think they're magnificent complex processes that matter enormously to understand.Did you all decide they're just equations we'll never understand or something, or that what looked like a major collapse of our life-support system was

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance....

2008-09-23 Thread Phil Henshaw
are, knowing of it we do not. Evidence alone won't find it (no matter how well or variously or repetitively presented). You have to ask a right question. Punctuation may help too; maybe some hyphens. Phil Henshaw wrote: Is there anything else around we can ignore the pump it till

[FRIAM] well we did finance....

2008-09-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
Is there anything else around we can ignore the pump it till it quits problem for? pfh FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at

Re: [FRIAM] For the physicist geeks in the group

2008-09-20 Thread Phil Henshaw
Hmmm. I got a black hole appearing in the middle of the device that consumed it. Are any of you still there??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

[FRIAM] the real reason growth ends in sorrow

2008-09-17 Thread Phil Henshaw
. Everyone mistakenly sees the multiplier as a way to multiply their own rewards, and doesn’t see that it as also multiplies their neighbor’s risks. The real problem is that there is no way to turn it off when the risks get out of control. Best, Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Reductionism - was: Young but distant gallaxies

2008-09-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
a formula inside an environment, though, there's a curious formal gap of disconnection all around it, it seems to me. phil Ken _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:15 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied

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