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No. My bad Glen. I guess I have buttons I didn't think I had ... Thanks for the follow-up explanation. Much appreciated. My objective, to be sure, was not seeking agreement, except on the general concept of "being in the zone." It was they only way to be sure we could start on the same page ...

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[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:51 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Nick, Thank-you and let's talk about the

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G!  New day... On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 8:30 AM ┣glen┫ wrote: > Oops. I'm sorry if I've offended you. I am contrarian and tend to seek > out areas of disagreement, rather than agreement. > > On 02/24/2017 07:14 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > > The "as if" was the key.

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Oops. I'm sorry if I've offended you. I am contrarian and tend to seek out areas of disagreement, rather than agreement. On 02/24/2017 07:14 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > The "as if" was the key. The "as if" alludes to the behavioral > manifestation. Yes? Yes, of course. However, this is the

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caused anyone to spill a drink. vib -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sent: February-25-17 12:56 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

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, February 24, 2017 7:49 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Gentlemen and audience, The tempest ( Glen) and the captain of a small vessel (Robert) lashed to the mast. Are not in an

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; > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Vladimyr > Burachynsky > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:59 PM > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW:

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> > (This is why Csikszentmihalyi's concept of "flow" is useless and annoying > to me.) It's pure nonsense to talk of mind at all. So, it's nonsense to > say that societies act as if with one mind. Wow! Try to be consistent at least. Eh? Who is saying that except you with your previous

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-17 4:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs OK. Yes, thanks, that helps. But I do think you disagree with me, only I may not have made myself clear enough for you to realize we disagree. I'll interleave

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OK. Yes, thanks, that helps. But I do think you disagree with me, only I may not have made myself clear enough for you to realize we disagree. I'll interleave in the hopes of making my objections in context. On 02/24/2017 01:44 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > The last quote, to me, says that a

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> > Anyway, so I disagree with the idea that society, as a group, can't be "in > the zone". But I believe that the thoughts inside the members of the > society are not really _shared_ thoughts. The societal groove does not > depend on isomorphic relationships between the insides of the members' >

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Perhaps you did not see my previous response where I outlined what I think exhibit societal states (yes, at the societal layer, as a whole) of being in the zone. If so, could you explain whether you agree or disagree that those are examples of what you discuss below? If you didn't get the

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> > It's a mistake to infer that the complicated spaces (the deluded people's > minds/brains/bodies/culture) are the same just because their projections > (the things they say and do) are the same. Yeah, and that is not the same as what I meant for a society being *in the zone* as a whole,

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Thanks for the link, Jon. http://s3.amazonaws.com/battlecode-releases-2017/releases/specs-1.6.2.html > In a race to be the most benevolent, factions must either donate the most to > the cause, or destroy anyone more altruistic than they are. That last part is hilarious. It reminded me of the

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I think I anticipated your backhanded strike. >8^D I did this with my (badly mangled) reference to (and skepticism about) the holographic principle ... or behaviorism in psychology ... or hidden markov models ... or state space reconstruction methods ... or by any of a huge number of other

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raldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:59 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Land

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ubject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Right, I think I got that you meant society being in the zone. You expressed doubt and I disagree with you -- meaning only that I have less doubt. 8^) I think society can (and does, often) get into a zone/groove/flow. Som

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To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs ​Thank you, those responsible for the discussion regarding simulation​ and the real. Here is a competition currently sponsored by MIT where competitors write AI to perform automated war: BattleCode <ht

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Right, I think I got that you meant society being in the zone. You expressed doubt and I disagree with you -- meaning only that I have less doubt. 8^) I think society can (and does, often) get into a zone/groove/flow. Some symptoms that are often complained about are "mob behavior",

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​Thank you, those responsible for the discussion regarding simulation​ and the real. Here is a competition currently sponsored by MIT where competitors write AI to perform automated war: BattleCode . Jon Zingale

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rie fields. A few notes brings back so many memories and the > smells > > of clover and honey. > > vib > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert > Wall > *Sent:* February-21-17 2:46 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexi

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I don't know anything about Minecraft. But I do play some video games. And although I dig the "strategy" games most, I also like those with lots of side quests and territory to explore. The main reason is because I enjoy estimating the underlying axioms. E.g. I recently found a cool bug in

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ll of us sooner than a grand Nova Zeus machine. Oh goody more Code to play with. vib -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: February-21-17 4:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discu

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Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Hi Glen, What you describe as flow or being in the zone has been precisely written <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W94FE6/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8=1> and talked

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age- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Well, to be clear, my comment was intended to agree with Vlad

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Tesselation vs. approximation: Ah, right. I was sloppy with my language. Sorry. What you say in the blurb below is questionable because it implies something about the representations ... something like an equivalence of expressive power or somesuch. If there is such a thing as expressive

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Well, to be clear, my comment was intended to agree with Vladimyr's point that I kinda like being _deluded_. When you finally remove all the meaning from the math notation and just manipulate the markings, it can be very hypnotic. What would otherwise seem to be meaningless syntax takes on a

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: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen? Sent: February-21-17 10:13 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Works perfectly! And cool music, BTW. I see now that you were talking about

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Hi Glen, What you describe as *flow* or being *in the zone* has been precisely written and talked about by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi as the Optimal

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There's no doubt that there's some kernel of truth to the concept of "flow" or "in the zone". I always make the mistake of thinking others have had similar experiences to mine. But at our journal club a few weeks ago, while discussing whether math is invented or discovered, one guy kept

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Works perfectly! And cool music, BTW. I see now that you were talking about a tesselation of the sphere's surface. I thought you intended a 3D irregular grid. Regardless, I certainly didn't notice the camera issue. I did notice an odd squashing of the earth textured sphere, though. On

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Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Rather than risk your thinking nobody wants to see it, I figured I'd chime in. I want to see the video of your cube surrounded by a voronoi tesselation. The subject you raise comes up a lot in conversations with my

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: February-20-17 11:09 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Rather than risk your thinking nobody wants to see it, I figured I'd chime in. I want to see the video of your cube surrounded by a voronoi

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Rather than risk your thinking nobody wants to see it, I figured I'd chime in. I want to see the video of your cube surrounded by a voronoi tesselation. The subject you raise comes up a lot in conversations with my clients. The extent to which an actor's mechanism is local or global can be

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gt; >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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*From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl > Tollander > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:49 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird

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:49 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Many birds do tend to migrate, so wondering what "stable environment" means here. Also thinking there is at play the developmental envi

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Many birds do tend to migrate, so wondering what "stable environment" means here. Also thinking there is at play the developmental environment (extended time of egg-to-bird-of-the-now) of the bird, as well as the outer moment-of-the-song environment. How does one talk about developmental

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David, Thanks for pitching in. I have some hazy data concerning bobolink song that might relate to your hypothesis. We did two studies of bobolink song in relatively stable and relatively disrupted habitats. At least that is what we thought was the relevant variable. In the more

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ailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:06 PM *To:* The Friday > Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* > Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs > > Nick -

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This idea reminded me of the recent article: Seeing shapes in seemingly random spatial patterns: Fractal analysis of Rorschach inkblots http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0171289 On 02/16/2017 09:53 AM, Prof David West wrote: > A different way to approach the

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Nick, As asked (effect, affect impose?), my answer would be no. A partial test of the answer would be to see if the songs of birds living, even for multiple generations, in arguably non-fractal environments, e.g. mid- town Manhattan, lost their fractal nature. This test would not rule out the

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dfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Nick - This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled. I'm very interested in "soundscapes" so am often very aware of bo

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Subject: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs Hell, List, I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself in the communication below). I “met” him on Research Gate when he downloaded a paper of mine on the structural organization of bird song. I

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Nick - This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled. I'm very interested in "soundscapes" so am often very aware of both the complex passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs

[FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Hell, List, I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself in the communication below). I “met” him on Research Gate when he downloaded a paper of mine on the structural organization of bird song. I noticed that he was writing from a Landscape Department, and