Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
Everything we do is only a recombination or reuse of already existing tools, techniques or substances. Even creative insights only rely on already existing thoughts and ideas. What was special about Einstein and Newton was perhaps that they were visionary: they were able to recombine and

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
To prevent that the creativity discussion drowns in the archives of the FRIAM mailing list, I have added a page about creativity with the article from Orlando, some thoughts of Günther and the definition from Larry to the Wiki: http://sfcomplex.org/wiki/Creativity -J.

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-03 Thread Larry Kilham
Jochen - Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think we are all barking up the same tree. What I wrote is an essay about creativity of the projected mind. My more original contribution, forthcoming, is about the use of Google (or other similar engines) to extend creativity beyond traditional

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

2008-08-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
I find it interesting that he seems to establish the applicability of his formalism to physical systems with the casual word realize as in Any two natural systems that realize this formalism . as if no demonstration was required.There seems to be no instrumentality for such a transference, the

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

2008-08-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
Orlando, But aren't you and Jochen talking about insight here as if it were just some diffusion process of echoes of other things, rather than a synthetic event, and so leaving the core question of what the heck is making the echoes around here unaddressed? Ann's comment that even simple things

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

2008-08-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Phil, Everybody needs to remember that this is my synopsis of Rosen, not Rosen. Also, I am starting my synopsis on Chapter Five. I have read the previous chapters with great care and understand things abut them, but the synopsis of chapter five will never settle down until somebody has

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

2008-08-03 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 07:20:22PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Phil, Everybody needs to remember that this is my synopsis of Rosen, not Rosen. Also, I am starting my synopsis on Chapter Five. I have read the previous chapters with great care and understand things abut them, but the

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

2008-08-03 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Nicholas Thompson wrote: Nick, Difficult books are like difficult men: challenging for a while, but ultimately too much trouble and too little payoff for the effort. Give me effortless elegance every time. Remind me, why are you doing Rosen? And while I'm at it, I haven't had time to read all