[FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Jochen Fromm
In the recent edition of National Geographic there is an article about Native Americans named In the shadow of wounded knee http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/pine-ridge/fuller-text It contains a map (the lost land) which shows the shrinking land of the Indian reservation (esp. the

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Steve Smith
Jochen - I appreciate this post. In the recent edition of National Geographic there is an article about Native Americans named In the shadow of wounded knee http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/pine-ridge/fuller-text I am very sensitive to this issue because *I* literally own/live-on a

[FRIAM] McCorduck reading next Saturday afternoon, Garcia Street Books

2012-08-19 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Just a reminder that I'll read from my new novel,Bounded Rationality, next Saturday afternoon, August 25, 2 p.m., at Garcia Street Books. Hope to see you there.Pamela"Bounded Rationality," by Pamela McCorduck, the second novel in the series, Santa Fe Stories, Sunstone Press, is now available both

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Those of us who live in Santa Fe have what Steve has written thrust into our faces daily. He speaks of the indigenous people who have been colonized, with all the miseries that entails (and who had themselves, in some cases--e.g., the Diné--moved late into the land of others). He doesn't

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Sarbajit Roy
shameless plug for this book http://transbooks.com/cata/lus02.html for Lost Lands a little further south. On 8/19/12, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Yes Tory, thanks for the correction to iaia.edu ! And thanks also to Pamela for noting my omission of the Anglo takeover of Hispanic (but

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Bruce Sherwood
Steve, you're mixing two different periods in your statement, As more Europeans arrived, things got worse of course and In the early 1600's the natives pulled together and managed a widespread rebellion large enough to push the Spanish back south of what is modern day El Paso, the entire occupied

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Owen Densmore
There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen [image: Inline image 1] image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Victoria Hughes
You have such a way with words, Doug.On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and theattendantdawning realization that Romney believes that godis a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
It's a gift. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Victoria Hughes victo...@toryhughes.comwrote: You have such a way with words, Doug. On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Jochen Fromm
Steve, thanks for the long and personal response. If it understand it right, then every American is living on occupied land, since every corner of America once belonged to native Americans. You are not the only one. In the land of the free and the home of the brave freedom apparently does not

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Robert Holmes
from...? On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: It's a gift. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
The crystal planet Kolob. Sent from Android. On Aug 19, 2012 4:16 PM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote: from...? On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: It's a gift. FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: I am not sure that few people share this view anymore regarding divine rights or maybe more to the point, manifest destiny or might makes right. I agree that in spirit most of us are on that page together, but in

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Alfredo Covaleda
My Doctrine is: America for the American Indians. I mean the real native Americans from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego... like me or at least, almost the half of my genome. Regards 2012/8/19 Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net Steve, thanks for the long and personal response. If it understand it

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Patrick Reilly
To all: My doctrine is that the Earth is the property of no species nor ethnicity thereof. Only Ethiopia has indigenous human. The land of North America could no more be exclusively possessed by, or be stolen from, any tribe or nation than can the sky be possessed or stolen. All property is

[FRIAM] vol 110, issue 18

2012-08-19 Thread peggy miller
In response to Steve Smith's views on our inalienable rights to have access to the natural resources we need to continue our lifestyles, I found a couple things worth noting --1) I do believe we all have the right to oxygen, water not contaminated by outside influences (i.e. industry and

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Doug, As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney. No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02. Also, the idea that he

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, I am no friend of Romney, but, whatever else you might say about the big dig, it rescued Boston from the utter destruction imposed by the central artery project, reconnecting historic sites in the city, and reintegrating the city in many ways. I have only been back to the city a few

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Well, Nick. A google search on Big Dig Corruption returned the following: About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds) Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Eric, ** **

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Tory makes an unarguable point, that we are far from alone as a species in opportunistic, invasive behavior. And, as she goes on to point out, we worry about it, other species don't. She also says there is much to be worried over, examined, and…changed. We can and slowly do change our

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Alfredo Covaleda
Of course I was kidding. Doctrine is maybe the term that I like the less. We, the human kind, need more objectivity, more generosity and less fundamentalisms; but naturally it is an utopia to think that doctrines will not rule the world. Societies will continue fighting because of ethnicity,

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

2012-08-19 Thread Bruce Sherwood
I draw everyone's attention to the widely unknown fact that violence in the world has drastically diminished, which is something to be celebrated (and extended). See the Stephen Pinker book The Better Angels of our Nature. To give just one striking example that he cites, only a few hundred years