Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Nick, that was Little Black Sambo, who chased the tigers around a tree until they turned into butter. I think children aren't allowed to read that any more, but having a childhood during colonial times, I was allowed. Pamela On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Steve,

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Sorry, reading mail late, so didn't realize several people had already answered Nick. On Sep 25, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: Nick, that was Little Black Sambo, who chased the tigers around a tree until they turned into butter. I think children aren't allowed to read that

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Tory FWIWàOn my account, if she had to think and decide, she didn’t believe. Nor did she decide until she did. ßFWIW. From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Hughes Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:20 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug I look forward to hearing your HAWG roll through the gates of St. Johns College. Bring Steve. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
No, butter is good. I am sad that so much of the children's literature that I loved as a kid, cannot now be read to children without having to make exuses and explanations.Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Monday,

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Douglas Roberts
I'm gonna need a bigger rear tire if Steve's on the back... On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doug I look forward to hearing your HAWG roll through the gates of St. Johns College. Bring Steve. N ** ** *From:*

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Pamela, I liked learning that so many of us had that common base. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:16 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Roger Critchlow
I read it, too, probably in a church sponsored day-care in the DC suburbs in the fifties, or at my grandparents' houses. And I remember the restaurant, though I don't remember ever stopping in for a stack. -- rec -- On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Nick -

[FRIAM] FRIAM archives?

2012-09-25 Thread lrudolph
The shirt-tail appended to all FRIAM posts ends lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org;. However, I a 404 Not Found error when trying to connect to that URL. Is it defunct, or just temporarily out of order? If the former, is there an alternative URL for lectures,

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: My father bought a wartime surplus Harley when he returned from WWII, had a grand good time stripping the military paintjob and repainting it only to have two scary accidents within a few months (civilian turning left in

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Steve Smith
No, butter is good. I am sad that so much of the children's literature that I loved as a kid, cannot now be read to children without having to make exuses and explanations. Nick I think it is a shame that some of these things have been expunged or redacted, but I accept the cultural

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - I've done at least a hundred thousand miles on a bike but I'm pretty sure I've never been on the back of one. Just run the pressure up to 100lbs and set your shocks on high... it will be fine. As an aside (imagine that), as much as I like a warm woman clutching me around the torso,

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - And I think that is why Doug chooses a sleek German-Engineered machine over one of those big-iron sculptures you used to see on the side of the road being fiddled with... (now that they cost more than a Prius and only Doctors and Lawyers own them, that has changed a little). I have

[FRIAM] witness as intervention (was Faith)

2012-09-25 Thread glen
Prof David West wrote at 09/22/2012 09:00 AM: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 10:24 AM, glen wrote: Here's an honest and personal question to make the ethics concrete: Should I have intervened? clearly a tough question - given the state of society, the prevalence of guns and predisposition to

Re: [FRIAM] witness as intervention (was Faith)

2012-09-25 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/25/12 12:39 PM, glen wrote: That goes _directly_ back to the point that population density is probably the critical variable in discussions of how others raise their kids. Cuts both ways. One question is whether the quiet presence is representative of the community or if it represents a

Re: [FRIAM] witness as intervention (was Faith)

2012-09-25 Thread glen
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 09/25/2012 12:51 PM: Consider a hypothetical female couple, well-paid, and taxpaying Stanford and MIT PhDs, who move out to the country and home school and telecommute. Those boys are forced to have girly hair and their moms vote for the communist party.. etc.

Re: [FRIAM] Faith

2012-09-25 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Dear Russ 1. Religion / faith is not something which can be bought, although the US Televangelists who buy cheap advertising on my cable TV channels to sell me JSUSSS at 4:00 a.m may disagree. 2. Buddhism is a religion indigenous to the Indian sub-continent (per wikipedia). 3. BUDDHUISM

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Sarbajit Roy
It would take the inverse form Faith is absolute acceptance whereas Belief is limited/conditional acceptance. So Russ may have belief in X without having faith in it. eg. Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle can take him from A to B, but he doesn't have faith that it will On

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
If it is true that, Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle can take him from A to B, but he doesn't have faith that it will Can it also be true that Russ doubt whether his ... motorcycle can take him from A to B? Is it the case that, on your understanding, doubt and belief can

Re: [FRIAM] Faith

2012-09-25 Thread Russ Abbott
Sarbajit, I don't claim to speak for Western Buddhism. I suspect, though, that most Westerners who identify with Buddhism do not include rebirth as a part of their view of the world. The focus is more on the present, on acknowledging the world (including himself or herself) as it is -- and as it

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Russ Abbott
I've never spent much time studying modal logic. The doxastic logichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxastic_logicversion of faith that I pointed to in the Stanford Encyc of Phil article is a model logic version. Your example sentences are overflowing with modal modifiers. Personally I don't see why I