Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Paryski
discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News Yeah, greenest only if you ignore the environmental/human/dollar costs of getting the uranium out of the ground and then you forget about that whole messy decommissioning component (which usually relies on the assumption that national

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread Owen Densmore
, Dec 7, 2011 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News Yeah, greenest only if you ignore the environmental/human/dollar costs of getting the uranium out of the ground and then you forget about that whole messy decommissioning component (which

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread Carl Tollander
Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News Yeah, greenest only if you ignore the environmental/human/dollar costs of getting the uranium out of the ground and then you forget about that whole messy

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Paryski
lunch.. Paul -Original Message- From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 5:15 am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News I hate to say

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread qef
am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News I hate to say it, but I think the nuke issue has turned into a very PC conversation. They're Just Wrong. Basically a sort of Science vs Religion discussion. Saying Nuke's are OK or maybe even Nukes

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Paryski
Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 7:04 am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News Greetings, all -- Bill McKibben probably said it best - there's no such thing as a silver bullet, only silver buckshot. We're going to need a variety of sources for energy, and we're

[FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-07 Thread Owen Densmore
From the I Like Nukes department we have new designs that look interesting: http://news.yahoo.com/gates-discussing-nuclear-reactor-china-124722465.html They run on depleted uranium and apparently are safer. Ironically, nukes are apparently the greenest critters around too. -- Owen

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-07 Thread Robert Holmes
Yeah, greenest only if you ignore the environmental/human/dollar costs of getting the uranium out of the ground and then you forget about that whole messy decommissioning component (which usually relies on the assumption that national government must ultimately underwrite/pick up the tab and is

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-07 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Robert Holmes rob...@holmesacosta.comwrote: Yeah, greenest only if you ignore the environmental/human/dollar costs of getting the uranium out of the ground and then you forget about that whole messy decommissioning component (which usually relies on the

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-07 Thread Carl Tollander
More here: http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/09/22/twr-vs-ifr There appears to be some sentiment that Gate's TWR is not as good as the IFR designs. I don't know enough to judge. Also, Monbiot has a new screed out on GE-Hitachi's proposal for an IFR: ...last week GE Hitachi (GEH) told the

Re: [FRIAM] Gates discussing new nuclear reactor with China - Yahoo! News

2011-12-07 Thread Robert Holmes
Hmm... LANL built the world's first experimental fast reactor (Clementine, 1946). Hard to say which was strictly the world's first commercial one (Dounreay? Super-Phenix?) but the big problem they've all had is that cost of operation price of electricity generated. Which is why after 60 years