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thanks for the reference, I was not aware of the Renesan Institute before this, though I had heard somewhere about the first listed lecture/course/seminar on "the Trickster". I don't see your course in the lineup? I will be out

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Steve, it is a Renesan course on Tue, September 7 and 14. I have read Jack Williamson, not all 90, and he would have been included in another course I proposed to Renesan on science fiction themes. Maybe in the future. davew On Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 09:57 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Dave - >

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Dave - Most excellent of you to do this, and what will be your venue for this class? Are you familiar with our own Jack Williamson 's vague parallel work in his "Humanoids" which began in 1947 with the Novelette: "With Folded Hands". I do not

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For what its worth - I will be teaching a short class next month in Santa Fe, "Isaac Asimov and the Robots." Two points of coverage: 1) the robots themselves invent and follow a "Zeroth Law" that allows them to eliminate individual human beings with a result the exact opposite of Hawking et. al.'s

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FWIW, I tend to use stochastic to mean a process with a collection of variables, some of which are (pseudo) randomly set and some of which are not. A "random process" would imply a process where either all the variables are random OR where the randomly set variables are dominant. A process can

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Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:35 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Right. Then you use gradient ascent. But what if you are scheduling a job shop for throughput when there are thousands of variables m

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alf of Frank Wimberly < > wimber...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:15:05 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence > > My point was that depth-first and breadth-first can

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.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:51:18 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; glen ☣ Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Thanks for throwing in on this one, Glen. Your thoughts are ever-insightful. And ever-entertaining! For example, I did n

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ay Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; glen ☣ *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Thanks for throwing in on this one, Glen. Your thoughts are ever-insightful. And ever-entertaining! For example, I did not know that von Neumann put forth a set theory. On t

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to:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant Holland *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 6:51 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>; glen ☣<geprope...@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Thanks for

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st 8, 2017 10:15:05 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence My point was that depth-first and breadth-first can probably serve only as a straw-man (straw-men?). Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Aug 8, 2017 10:

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rcus > > > -- > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly < > wimber...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 7:57:06 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Su

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rom: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 7:57:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Then there's best-first sear

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ar...@snoutfarm.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:43:40 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; glen ☣ > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence > > > Grant writes: > > > "On the other hand... evolution *

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us Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:43:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; glen ☣ Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Grant writes: "On the other hand... evolution is stochastic. (You actually did not disagree

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To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; glen ☣ Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Thanks for throwing in on this one, Glen. Your thoughts are ever-insightful. And ever-entertaining! For example, I did not know that von Neumann put forth a set theo

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ugust 08, 2017 5:32 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Nick, It's actually more like six thousand pages. However many pages thousands of rabbis can write in 600 years, more o

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@Nick that's a fair question. On a pragmatic side not much...yet. However as I understand it (some) amount of AI was invaluable for making pretty gud guesses about frustrating issues: Like what the heck is going on with the weather. Robots and androids (so far) are better then humans at

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://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 6:51 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>; glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Futu

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esigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Nick, It's actually m

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Thanks for throwing in on this one, Glen. Your thoughts are ever-insightful. And ever-entertaining! For example, I did not know that von Neumann put forth a set theory. On the other hand... evolution /is/ stochastic. (You actually did not disagree with me on that. You only said that the

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ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:56 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence Ta

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I'm not sure how Asimov intended them. But the three laws is a trope that clearly shows the inadequacy of deontological ethics. Rules are fine as far as they go. But they don't go very far. We can see this even in the foundations of mathematics, the unification of physics, and

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gt; *Sent:*Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Carl Tollander *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence That sounds right, Carl. Asimov's three "laws" of robotics are more like Asimov's three "wish

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academic question of why they work. > > Marcus > -- > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Grant Holland < > grant.holland...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

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m <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on > behalf of Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com > <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Carl Tollander > Subject: Re: [

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ork, it is an academic question of why they work. Marcus *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Carl Tollander *Subject

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c question of why they work. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Carl Tollander Subje

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That sounds right, Carl. Asimov's three "laws" of robotics are more like Asimov's three "wishes" for robotics. AI entities are already no longer servants. They have become machine learners. They have actually learned to project conditional probability. The cat is out of the barn. Or is it that

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The notion of AI's as necessarily sentient seems a bit of a jump. However, I see a difference between an AI augmented sentience (a la a spiffy AR) and a bunch of possibly sentient AI's flying in formation (a la a murder of crows or a pack of wolves). Going further out into Niel Stephenson's

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Here in the US there are many human animals to reign-in first. Sentients will need to stick together and accept the help they can get! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:54 PM, Carl Tollander > wrote: It seems to me that there are many here in

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It seems to me that there are many here in the US who are not entirely on board with Asimov's First Law of Robotics, at least insofar as it may apply to themselves, so I suspect notions of "reining it in" are probably not going to fly. On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez