Re: FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle(?)

1999-12-16 Thread Cordell, Arthur: #ECOM - COMÉ
Agree. It was more like Chicago 1968. -- From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle(?) Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:52PM Replying to no particular posting on this thread: Is "Krystallnacht" really an appropriate wor

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-14 Thread Bruce Leier
Intratextual comments by Bruce Leier I'm not sure whether people are misreading this by taking it out of context--I was responding to Ed Weick's concern that very ordinary, humble people could get targeted as "capitalists", certainly not to argue that Bill Gates is just doing the same kind

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-14 Thread Ed Weick
Victor Milne: No question about it--the Nazis had a lot of popular support. (So does Mike Harris in Ontario.) However, any history and culture is made up of a lot of conflicting traditions. Dietrich Bonhoeffer's biographer relates that the morning after Krystallnacht, Bonhoeffer's grandmother,

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Ed Weick
Ed, In a parallel posting directed at Tim Rourke I've indicated that I agree with your main point about the dangers of ideological labeling of groups of people, but I don't quite agree with your comparison of the vandalism in Seattle to Krystallnacht on a smaller scale. The important difference

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Mike Hollinshead
Ed, The notion that the meshing of economies through trade and business would ensure peace was prevalent in the 1920s. It was an argument used by people opposed to the League of Nations. It didn't work very well then and I doubt that it will work very well now. Competition for resources is a

FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread pete
Mike Hollinshead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I am a conspiracy theorist, but I know enough about the role of agents provocateurs in history to wonder if the vandals in Seattle were all that people assume them to be. So does that make me paranoid when that was my first thought about

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Bruce Leier
sniped from V. Milne: 12/11/99 post: I do think your point about the dangers of demonizing capitalists is very well taken. I can't think of any definition of capitalism that will send Bill Gates to the guillotine while sparing the independent plumber with a battered old van. no need to

Re: FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle(?)

1999-12-13 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Replying to no particular posting on this thread: Is "Krystallnacht" really an appropriate word to apply to what happened in Seattle? Of course I wasn't there, so maybe it *is* entirely apposite. But my guess, so far, is it isn't. http://remember.org/ "Never again!" \brad mccormick

Re: FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle(?)

1999-12-13 Thread Victor Milne
Is "Krystallnacht" really an appropriate word to apply to what happened in Seattle? Of course I wasn't there, so maybe it *is* entirely apposite. But my guess, so far, is it isn't. No, not particularly, as far as I know. Ed Weick said the broken windows made him think of Krystallnacht,

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Victor Milne
- Original Message - From: Bruce Leier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 13, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle sniped from V. Milne: 12/11/99 post: I do think your point about the dangers of demonizing

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Victor Milne
- Original Message - From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 13, 1999 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle Ed, In a parallel posting directed at Tim Rourke I've indicated that I agree with your main point about

Re: FW: Re Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-13 Thread Mike Hollinshead
You are not paranoid, those people really are out to get you :-) But seriously, who can forget that during the FLQ crisis, the RCMP were planting bombs and burning down barns in order to establish their bona fides with the revolutionaries and to influence public opinion against them ? They have

Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle

1999-12-11 Thread Mike Hollinshead
I don't think I am a conspiracy theorist, but I know enough about the role of agents provocateurs in history to wonder if the vandals in Seattle were all that people assume them to be. Mike Ed, In a parallel posting directed at Tim Rourke I've indicated that I agree with your main point about