Re: Some advices about the new static website
On 19 April 2016 at 14:57, Thomas Funk wrote: > One idea came to my mind after clicking Support->FVWM Forums ... > Is it possible to show the forums inside the window? ^^ No, thanks. You'd have to use some sort of iframe to do that. I think what would be easier is to make the menu link a redirect to fvwmforums.org, and remove the contents from the support page on fvwm.org, since going to the forums speaks for itself. -- Thomas Adam
Re: Some advices about the new static website
Hi Jaimos, I've visited the website again and I only can say - WOW! Great work! The Header 'inside' the window looks pretty cool :-) Also your other changes (colors, formatings, ...) One idea came to my mind after clicking Support->FVWM Forums ... Is it possible to show the forums inside the window? ^^ Best, Thomas -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On 04/09/2016 01:31 AM, Dan Espen wrote: We don't have stable and unstable anymore so references to stable and unstable should be removed. Yes you're right and I know this but since the update to static these html docs with linked keywords are available from unstable only [1]. Therefore I said 'unstable'. Okay, wasn't the right word but in quotes. -- Thomas -- [1] http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: Some advices about the new static website
Thomas Funk writes: > On 04/08/2016 11:08 PM, Thomas Adam wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote: >>> What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation >>> pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again >>> in the future? >> >> perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to >> look at). > > I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with > perllib. > >> As for unstable man pages, no. There's no such thing any more, and >> hasn't been for a long time now. > > 'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists > on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan > did much work on the linking on the FVWM page. We don't have stable and unstable anymore so references to stable and unstable should be removed. -- Dan Espen
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On 04/09/2016 12:53 AM, Jaimos Skriletz wrote: I believe I know which ones you were talking about. Was this the alphabetical list of terms that linked to their location inside the man pages. It was a nice set of links as it made looking for some things easier. Yes and the links inside fvwm manpage(s) e.g. SloppyFocus 12x or WindowShadeSteps (5x) ... Right now the only links are at the bottom of each manpage (with a link from the top) or just searching the man page for key words. (I guess for the time I could take the links at the bottom of each manpage put them nicely located at http://fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/) as this is a copy paste, but I don't think these are the links you were talking about). Nope. But back links are very comfortable on the right place ;) It may be nice to get something like that back up, but with the conversion of the manpages to markdown the current scripts will be outdated, so after that conversion is done, I will go checkout how to get such a set of links setup. Provided they only linked to headings that will be generated by markdown this should be fairly straight forward to script. That would be great :) -- Thomas -- -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Thomas Funk wrote: > I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either. >> > > I meant the links in > http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html > > And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the > same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages. > > I believe I know which ones you were talking about. Was this the alphabetical list of terms that linked to their location inside the man pages. It was a nice set of links as it made looking for some things easier. Right now the only links are at the bottom of each manpage (with a link from the top) or just searching the man page for key words. (I guess for the time I could take the links at the bottom of each manpage put them nicely located at http://fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/) as this is a copy paste, but I don't think these are the links you were talking about). It may be nice to get something like that back up, but with the conversion of the manpages to markdown the current scripts will be outdated, so after that conversion is done, I will go checkout how to get such a set of links setup. Provided they only linked to headings that will be generated by markdown this should be fairly straight forward to script. jaimos
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:40:54AM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote: > I meant the links in > http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html > > And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the > same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages. Yes, since I disabled snapshot builds ages ago. Again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages. -- Thomas Adam
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On 04/08/2016 11:41 PM, Thomas Adam wrote: Maybe, but again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages to reflect when releases happen. Since I've put in place a means of generating them from markdown (and have yet to receive offers on help with that), I'll see what happens when I have time to look at this. I would but currently too busy. I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either. I meant the links in http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages. -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 11:33:05PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote: > I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with > perllib. I'll let you know when I've put this together. > > As for unstable man pages, no. There's no such thing any more, and > >hasn't been for a long time now. > > 'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists > on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan > did much work on the linking on the FVWM page. Maybe, but again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages to reflect when releases happen. Since I've put in place a means of generating them from markdown (and have yet to receive offers on help with that), I'll see what happens when I have time to look at this. I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either. But no information has been lost that's important. -- Thomas Adam
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On 04/08/2016 10:47 PM, Jaimos Skriletz wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Funk mailto:t.f...@web.de>>wrote: The "logo" is now the menu entry, so instead of just saying "FVWM" I put the logo in its place. The logo except for looks works just as any other entry in the menu. So what you see is expected. Hmmm ... it isn't clearly enough that a menu is behind the logo. In general the logo is the way back to the home page. It's a pitty that you've removed the upper frame/part/block with the heading. Or is it disappear and should normally available? That would explain the logo on the 'FVWM' menu point o_O The new design was to instead of just have the header wrapped in a window frame is to have the whole site be wrapped in a window frame. So I took away the top window and wrapped every page in a full window frame. The title is now in the titlebar of the window frame. I could add another header above it, but I though it was mostly used space on the page that isn't needed. All the header did was repeat the title of the page another place in bigger letters. But I could easily add it back and then have two windows, a title window and a main content window. Why adding the top page in the window, too? Above of the menu part. But a little bit smaller (~90%) in the height. Also the logo. The title is very nice. I would use 'The Offical FVWM Home Page' the whole time if the top page added again ;) Another point which looks a little bit weird are the framed words in e.g. manpages or the Mailing Lists page. Probably these text pieces were Monospace before conversion? Is it possible to remove the frame? The sites are generated by markdown which generates in-line code and code blocks. I have been thinking about the formatting of these, but I like them being seperate from noral text. The code blocks should be used for things people would type into a config file, terminal, etc. I do think some styles on these code blocks need to be updated (and maybe some work/policy about what should be put in code blocks and what shouldn't be). The FAQ has been updated and makes better use of them, but I have only applied that to the FAQ page. In my TODO list is to try to make use of code blocks more uniform. I don't mean the code blocks. For example Mailing Lists page 'subscribe' or '*-request'. I'm open for suggestions to make it look nicer (I like the borders myself). Other common examples are using a slightly different color background or some other method to highlight code blocks vs descriptions. I like the colors. This is FVWM everybody knows ^^ And in the end one typo: - Downloads: 'The latest sable release' ;) Thanks, I like easy fixes. You're welcome ^^ I'll add them, My only concern is ensure they are useful so we don't put to much noise in trying to direct users to useful sties to help them with fvwm. Thanks :)
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On 04/08/2016 11:08 PM, Thomas Adam wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote: What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again in the future? perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to look at). I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with perllib. As for unstable man pages, no. There's no such thing any more, and hasn't been for a long time now. 'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan did much work on the linking on the FVWM page. Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page: History --- In the beginning was ... http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html Really? That shouldn't resolve at all. You mean: http://www.xteddy.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html Yes, indeed :) -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote: > What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation > pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again > in the future? perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to look at). As for unstable man pages, no. There's no such thing any more, and hasn't been for a long time now. > Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page: > > History > --- > In the beginning was ... > http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html Really? That shouldn't resolve at all. You mean: http://www.xteddy.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html > Other FVWM-related sites > > How Styles are Applied > http://linuxgazette.net/127/adam.html > > Fvwm and Session Management > http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html > (perhaps a little bit outdated but anyway interesting) It'll still work with xsm(1). -- Thomas Adam
Re: Some advices about the new static website
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Funk wrote: > Hi Jaimos, > > But the small logo (left upper corner) overlaps the main menu 'FVWM' :( > Used browser: Chromium 48.0.2564.116 > > The "logo" is now the menu entry, so instead of just saying "FVWM" I put the logo in its place. The logo except for looks works just as any other entry in the menu. So what you see is expected. > It's a pitty that you've removed the upper frame/part/block with the > heading. Or is it disappear and should normally available? That would > explain the logo on the 'FVWM' menu point o_O > > The new design was to instead of just have the header wrapped in a window frame is to have the whole site be wrapped in a window frame. So I took away the top window and wrapped every page in a full window frame. The title is now in the titlebar of the window frame. I could add another header above it, but I though it was mostly used space on the page that isn't needed. All the header did was repeat the title of the page another place in bigger letters. But I could easily add it back and then have two windows, a title window and a main content window. The new design was after some conversations in irc with Thomas Adam, the idea to put each page wrapped in a window as opposed to just the header/page title. > Another point which looks a little bit weird are the framed words in e.g. > manpages or the Mailing Lists page. Probably these text pieces were > Monospace before conversion? Is it possible to remove the frame? > The sites are generated by markdown which generates in-line code and code blocks. I have been thinking about the formatting of these, but I like them being seperate from noral text. The code blocks should be used for things people would type into a config file, terminal, etc. I do think some styles on these code blocks need to be updated (and maybe some work/policy about what should be put in code blocks and what shouldn't be). The FAQ has been updated and makes better use of them, but I have only applied that to the FAQ page. In my TODO list is to try to make use of code blocks more uniform. I'm open for suggestions to make it look nicer (I like the borders myself). Other common examples are using a slightly different color background or some other method to highlight code blocks vs descriptions. > Then the text blocks right of the screenshots. It would look be better > if there's a distance to the upper line. Likewise the same gap as between > screenshot and line. > > Screenshot page needs some work. Right now is just a simple thing I came up with. In my TODO list is to get this to the point that the screenshots are generated by Jekyll and all that needs to be done to add/remove them is to add/remove a directory and it automatically builds the new entry. I will take this in mind when I get back to the screenshot page. > What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation > pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again > in the future? > > I'm unsure what you mean about perlib pages, I'll go look at what was there. I took the whole unstable part out as that is no longer the development model but didn't consider until it has been brought up that there are some features in the unstable man pages not in the normal ones. Currently the manpages were generated by what I have on my machine using man2html. But there is work to be done as you mention. And I only took manpages that started with fvwm*. Also see the previous email from Thomas Adam about moving the man pages to markdown. Once this is complete and the manpages are markdown it will be easy to add them (no more ugly scripts using man2html). I will just take the manpages in markdown and let Jekyll wrap them into the static site. This should hopefully include the perlib manpages I missed, and also include a better index like is also located in the unstable docs on the old page. > And in the end one typo: > - Downloads: 'The latest sable release' ;) > > Thanks, I like easy fixes. > A very big thanks for your good work and I hope I haven't hurt you with > these advices 0_0 ... > > Keep sending them, feed back is the best way to ensure I get my design across correctly and make it better. > Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page: > > History > --- > In the beginning was ... > http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html > > Other FVWM-related sites > > How Styles are Applied > http://linuxgazette.net/127/adam.html > > Fvwm and Session Management > http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html > (perhaps a little bit outdated but anyway interesting) > > > I'll add them, My only concern is ensure they are useful so we don't put to much noise in trying to direct users to useful sties to help them with fvwm. jaimos
Some advices about the new static website
Hi Jaimos, until your last commit I took a look over the new static pages on fvwm.org and want to tell you what I've noticed: Cool feature with the window buttons (maximize, shade/unshade) and the logo behind B) :) But the small logo (left upper corner) overlaps the main menu 'FVWM' :( Used browser: Chromium 48.0.2564.116 It's a pitty that you've removed the upper frame/part/block with the heading. Or is it disappear and should normally available? That would explain the logo on the 'FVWM' menu point o_O Another point which looks a little bit weird are the framed words in e.g. manpages or the Mailing Lists page. Probably these text pieces were Monospace before conversion? Is it possible to remove the frame? Then the text blocks right of the screenshots. It would look be better if there's a distance to the upper line. Likewise the same gap as between screenshot and line. What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again in the future? And in the end one typo: - Downloads: 'The latest sable release' ;) A very big thanks for your good work and I hope I haven't hurt you with these advices 0_0 ... Best, Thomas Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page: History --- In the beginning was ... http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html Other FVWM-related sites How Styles are Applied http://linuxgazette.net/127/adam.html Fvwm and Session Management http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html (perhaps a little bit outdated but anyway interesting) -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein