[Megillot] Old Young Caves?; Jannaeus; Jannes

if they revised their proposal.) 3. I have started to revise my article Jannaeus, His Brother Absalom, and Judah the Essene at http://www.duke.edu/~goranson So far I've mostly corrected typos and the like, but I'll mention that I added reference to a book that should have noted before, Albert Pietersma

[Megillot] Jozef Mikik (1922-2006)

An obituary: http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article341010.ece Previously (noted on ane and paleojudaica), with Joseph spelling: http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],0.html RIP Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson

[Megillot] Re: James Tabor's new book: two notes

I (SG) forward Prof. Tabor's reply, at his request: Dear Stephen and all (please post if appropriate on the lists), Thanks so much for your correction here, mea culpa! As always you prove yourself a sharp eyed and perceptive reader. It is so hard to successfully proofread and fact check a book

Re: history analysis (was Re: [Megillot] SV: osey hattora)

note. One problem is that we do not know what term the authors of the halachic texts used for this genre of legal writing, or if they even had a special term for it. Goranson has been advocating the use of a more neutral generic name, which I am open to, but I have yet to hear what this name would

[Megillot] Bio and Material Cultures at Qumran

); and the Humbert/Gunneweg volume is in print. best, Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson Jannaeus, His Brother Absalom, and Judah the Essene ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

Re: [Megillot] Qumran cemetery-the skeletons

Bibliographic Notes: http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/symposiums/programs/Goranson98.shtml Judah the Essene lived long before Russell's c. 4 BCE date. Pliny and Philo and Josephus all had earlier sources. Jannaeus, His Brother Absalom, and Judah the Essene http://www.duke.edu/~goranson/jannaeus.pdf 7. Qumran

[Megillot] two notes

, but did not read a paper there. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

Re: [Megillot] Qumran cemetery-the skeletons

. best, Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson/jannaeus.pdf ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Hasmoneans, control and not

) worries. Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson/jannaeus.pdf ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] another Copper Scroll novel; BAR Y. Magen article

helpful. best Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Another Qumran misinterpretation (Magen, Peleg, NYT)

for that association has increased. best, Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Qumran again: NYTimes misreporting, etc.

of those adult burials. The Cemetery and Communal rooms remain archaeological evidence, despite those who deny their relevance. good morning Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Megillot] Qumran again: NYTimes misreporting, etc.

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Fwd: (Philip Davies message) Re: [Megillot] some recent publications

I forward this to the group, as his text addresses us, plural, not just me, and since I responded to it, assuming that it went to the list. Stephen - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:54:08 +0100 From: philip davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [Megillot] TR as high priest

proposed as TR before because of pseudo-objections. But, if he had not been proposed, to what would scholars have been objecting, or pseudo-objecting? best Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

p.s. Re: [Megillot] For the record (TR as high priest)

Another relevant citation: If anyone is _not_ the Teacher of Righteousness, it is Hyrkanus. Best regards, Russell Gmirkin http://www.mail-archive.com/orion@panda.mscc.huji.ac.il/msg00822.html Stephen Goranson http://www.duke.edu/~goranson ___ g

[Megillot] new journal Megillot?

The 17 Nov. Orion Center Current Bibliography lists a new publication, twlygm, vol. 1 (2003). Perhaps someone on the list could tell us more about it, such as its scope, publisher, editors, ISSN. Thanks. http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/bib/current.shtml Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] Radiocarbon article

. (2001) has no relevance to the extant dates of the Dead Sea Scrolls. best, Stephen Goranson Durham NC ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] 2 new Qumran archaeology books

The message below is forwarded from ane-list. For description of the second book, Stephen Pfann's English presentation of R. de Vaux's dig notes, click on the URL below. Stephen Goranson Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:38:31 -0600 From: Jack Sasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL

[Megillot] Secaca Qumran question

1903, 467 on something torn off that can refer to (Taylor p. 162) even a sect? thanks, best wishes, Stephen Goranson Durham NC ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

Re: [Megillot] Deut 5,33

Hello Soren, According to Julie Ann Duncan in DJD XIV on 4QDeut(j) page 84, note to 5:33, (BHS note 33a-a errs). best, Stephen goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

Re: [Megillot] Redating the Dead Sea Scroll Deposits

Dear list readers, If I may respond on the subject in the heading; I suggest that response to Goranson is an unfortunate ad hominem change of the subject line. Of course I address the list including Greg Doudna and Dierk van den Berg, though I confess I do not understand the latter's text

Re: [Megillot] Redating the Dead Sea Scroll Deposits

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[Megillot] Misdating scrolls (I. Young article)

, archaeology, C14, says that's outside the bounds of the article. Not so, since that deposit time does not work. Ian slights the fact that a 73/4 end date does not date the mss--how much older are they? Paleography suggests 1st BC dates, hence a difference of tradition, not chronology. Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] Misdating scrolls (I. Young article)

history reconstructions. Examples of unacceptable Essene histories include, in my view, some writings of B. Thiering, R. Eisenman, the author of _Wichtige historische Enthullungen uber die wirkliche Todesart Jesu_, and many others. Stephen Goranson P.S. Below is a link to the original review

[Megillot] Jonathan: 4Q448

that the Qumran Wicked Priest is Alexander Jannaeus, and that his contemporary, Judah the Essene, is the Qumran Teacher of Righteousness. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Jonathan: 4Q448

rubric. R. Gmirkin did not explicitly specify where his proposed title ends. But wherever he proposes it to end, that would affect his claim about proposed relevance of Hebrew poetry parallelism. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list

[Megillot] Hirschfeld, Qumran in Context pt. 2

Sadducees (and religion?) in. This book is a mess, which is a shame, as the author is an experienced archaeologist, who could offer better, and, on other occasions, has. Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Megillot] Qumran history (brief replies To R. Gmirkin)

Dierk, the word in the text I cited, the new book by Y.H., page 161, note 222, is indeed refuted. S. Goranson Quoting Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even more worse, for Zangenberg was indeed meant. Hirschfeld_ QUMRAN IN THE SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD, Reassessing the Archaeological

[Megillot] Bergmeier, Die Essener-Berichte des Flavius Josephus

could discuss, if there is list interest. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Fwd: [ANE] Qumran

I forward the following from ane-list, in case it is of interest here. That lsit maintains an open archive at http://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane I thank the list owners of g-megillot and ane for maintaining open archives. best, Stephen Goranson - Forwarded message from Stephen

Re: [Megillot] Neil Altman on Qumran, Toronto Star

extensively, using many now-lost, hence quite valuable, sources. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Epiphanius' half-witted Panarion is not even a tertiary source for a serious approach to the historicity of the DSS. Personally I have not enough sitzfleisch

Epiphanius (was Re: [Megillot] Neil Altman on Qumran, Toronto Star

dissertation. Of course he needs to be read critically, but he is an important source on so- called heresies and minut, certainly relevant to history of Essenes at Qumran and elsewhere. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Epiphanius - important for what

[Megillot] copper scroll copy question

? Pressing copper on the somewhat brittle original is something I had not heard of and, given the condition of the original, would seem a bad idea. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman

Re: Epiphanius (was Re: [Megillot] Neil Altman on Qumran, Toronto Star

This proposal has been repeatedly answered. If, Jack, you wish to present a formal argument for this Aramaic proposal (apart from your other Aramaic proposal), perhaps a response would be merited. S. Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL

[Megillot] 2 archaeology publications

(2004) 761-63. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] DSS coming to Charlotte NC (2006)

Dead Sea Scrolls coming to Charlotte North Carolina starting 17 Feb., 2006: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/events/10967779.htm?1c Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman

[Megillot] wicked priest ID; new R. Feather book

unlikely), and I found his copper scroll book (1st ed. of 2?) quite unpersuasive, but mention this as bibliography: http://www.innertraditions.com/isbn/1-59143-044-5 best Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[Megillot] John Allegro book(s), etc.

the Essene teacher. For example, on page 101 there is some concern that in pNah Demetrius may not be a contemporary, on nearly all modern recokonings. But in my reckoning, joined by many other modern reckonings, they are contemporary. best, Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.

be a close connection between the 'Ossaioi' and the earlier Essenes [note 12 to Lightfoot, Hilgenfeld, Thomas]. (p. 45, The Qumran Covenanters and the Later Jewish Sects, J. of Religion 41 (1959) 38-50, N. Golb)? best, Stephen Goranson ___ g

Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.

Essene? Some things are more readily falsified or more completely falsified than others. Falsification may not be our only tool. Another observation or invitation was to consider the most probable (tentative) reconstruction of history, the confluence of evidence. best, Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] table of contents - Dead Sea Discoveries vol. 12 no. 1 (January 2005)

needs at www.ingenta.com. copyright 2005 ingenta [Fwd by S. Goranson] ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

Re: [Megillot] table of contents - Dead Sea Discoveries vol. 12 no. 1 (January 2005)

Andy, I thought some list readers would be interested in the new bibliography. Those with institutional subscriptions can read these online. Should I not send this type information? If the moderator states that I ought not send such, OK. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.

wicked priest would be an individual known to history. One way to determine which well-known candidate fits is to pay more attention to chronology and to sectarian developments. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

P.S. Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.

mss also offer some new information on history, including information not available already in, say, Josephus, and the other currently available sources--some things not previously known--and that Qumran texts also help illuminate some of those sources. best, Stephen Goranson

Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??

- uploads/files/downloadable_graphics/Genesis_Frag-hi.jpg best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen

[Megillot] the teacher and the high priest?

It has sometimes been stated that the teacher of righteousness had either served as the high priest or had expected to be named the high priest. Is there good reason to state that? best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Megillot] Verbs and War Scroll by Soren Holst

care to tell us something about your book? thanks, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] VanderKam on 4Q448

, Lorein, Harrington/Strugnell, (and me). I suggest it is time to focus on the chronology of wicked priest Alexander Jannaeus and teacher of righteousness Judah the Essene. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[Megillot] Max thanks

Maxine, At the moment I guess we read MMT somewhat differently. But I intend more research. And your good works helpfully remind us to consider many possibilities. Thank you. Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Megillot] the teacher, Judah, again

, or denying Essenes, but clarifying what is true and false about Essenes--plenty of both was eventually written. Not all history is knowable, but we can know some, and any history method warning us off history raises the question what such method has to fear. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting philip

[Megillot] wicked Yannai: more evidence

relations are a bit complex to sort out: even Josephus's own family lineage that he gave in his Vita is still partly a puzzle. But the new data, and cooperation of historians has, IMO, considerable promise. best, Stephen Goranson P.S. The question whether Aristoboulus I or II should be assigned

[Megillot] Temple scroll class

the fact that the Qumran/Essene legal texts did not become that mainstream, i.e., it can obscure the history of sectarianism. For your consideration, please. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Megillot] Temple scroll class

. But I'm repeating myself, so I guess, for now, we could agree to disagree. Perhaps, on the other hand, we could agree that Alexander Jannaeus was the wicked priest, who reportedly told his wife to hand over his corpse to Pharisees to do with as they decided?? all the best, Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] comb

this is a note of caution about comparing the Jerusalem comb to Qumran. On the other hand, the sifting of the Temple Mount rubble surely has yielded very interesting finds and is a worthwhile project. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL

[Megillot] Yannai suffering; ergon nomou

bring those teachings. Among the very small minority of Jews who did become Christians, conversations about observance of torah, evidently continued, mutatis mutandis, between former Pharisees and former Essenes. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot

[Megillot] Absalom, brother of Jannaeus (pesher Habakkuk v 9)

and bibliography. It is becoming clearer that Yannai was the wicked priest, and that his surviving brother, Absalom, was silent and did not help the teacher of righteousness, Judah the Essene. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Megillot] Jannes and his brother

. We can now see that the mention of Jannes was an attack on (wicked priest) Jannaeus. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Qumran Science conf. abstracts

Abstracts from the 22-23 May 2005 Qumran Meeting in Jerusalem, Material and Bio-culture in connection with Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Cost Action G8 Working Group 7 are posted at: http://micro5.mscc.huji.ac.il/~msjan/abstracts.html best, Stephen Goranson

[Megillot] Singapore exhibit

or will be published (apparently a catalog for the exhibit is planned). Anyone know more? best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] DSD v.12 n.2 (2005) Table of Contents

: Rothstein, David Reconstructing and Reading 4Q416 2 ii 21: Comments on Menahem Kister's Proposal pp. 205-211(7) Author: Wold, Benjamin G. Book Reviews Book Reviews pp. 212-232(21) best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Megillot] another DSS medieval misdating

. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting philip davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I suggest that if we are going to devote any attention to such nonsense the list will quickly become overcrowded. This kind of stuff ought just to be ignored. In a letter to the Times Literary Supplement 15

[Megillot] Philo on Sadducees and Pharisees??

on Sadducee- and Pharisee-influenced Hasmoneans, including Alexander Jannaeus, the Qumran-view Wicked Priest. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot

[Megillot] Re: [ANE] Re: Philo on Sadducees and Pharisees??

, reportedly, Jannaeus slew no fewer that fifty thousaand Jews. So, for these and other reasons, I find your proposal not persuasive. best Stephen Goranson Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stephen, Since the Essenes are earlier said to have inhabited the cities of Judea, the prevailing

C14, was Re: [Megillot] Jannaeus, His Brother Absalom, and Judah the Essene

provide much helpful information. I wrote that Doudna changed his dating proposal after the Qumran Chronicle article. I ended the section by noting that Doudna's pursuit of additional data was constructive. best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Greg Doudna [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To Stephen Goranson: I

[Megillot] Leviticus fragments publication

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