Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Colin Clark]

On 20/05/16 23:08, Greg Troxel wrote:

What does clutter do without champlain?
If you compile with the --enable-clutter option, on the 
Preferences/Image tab there is an additional check-box: "GPU Acceleration".
This feature doesn't work on my system - possibly libclutter has evolved 
and Geeqie has not kept up.


I would love to see a way to show all images in a directory on a map at
once, and to get a subview of just the ones in a region after selecting
or clicking on a cluster marker.  Try some of those proprietary photo
apps to see what I mean :-)
I have written an additional search function that allows the user to 
search within a radius of a geo-point. But at the moment it's on a 
branch in the repository, so it will be a while before it makes it into 
a release.
However although it's a recent addition, I wrote the code years ago. At 
the time I also had the intention of using a mouse-drag to delineate a 
circle or rectangle on the map, and select any geocoded images within 
the boundary. It didn't seem so terribly complex to do. Displaying 
Exif.GPSInfo.GPSImgDirection also seemed fairly easy.


Unfortunately from that point on I had no time to use Geeqie, let alone 
code anything, so everything went onto the todo list


Recent comments from you and others have renewed my enthusiasm for the 
map software, and I now have more time for this kind of thing. I hope a 
few things get completed this time around.


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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Fr den 20. Mai 2016 um 23:05 schrieb Greg Troxel:
> pkgsrc has multiple versions of libchamplain.  The geeqie README does
> not explain which versions are needed, and about clutter-gtk versions.
> I suspect the reality is fairly simple -- you need libchamplain 0.12,
> and it has to be built with fairly recent clutter-gtk and hence gtk3 --
> but I am just guessing so far.

That in mind, we should have a condition in configure that disables all
champlain stuff when GTK2 is in use.

Maybe the distributions want to release a GTK2 _and_ a GTK3 version. I
would not recommend GTK3 at the moment with the bad picture that GTK3 is
giving currently.

> Then, trying to build with libchamplain 0.12, I get errors that seem
> fixed in git (to adapt to newer cogl) but not in any release.
> 
> So, I would advise ironing out the rough edges, which I think you can
> probably do pretty quickly, perhaps mostly documentation.  Then, when
> it's really working for everyone, it makes sense to talk about the
> defaults.
> 
> I don't know if geeqie is willing to cross into bugfix releases in
> branches, but if we are talking about 1.4, it would be nice to have a
> 1.2.4 with the cogl fix and any README updates.

Managing bugfixes for older versions than the current stable is not
doable with the current man power. Even more, I would never think about
that.

And for the current stable version I only backport security bugfixes, no
feature fixes, even more than it is about a experimental feature.

Last, Version 1.2 is on the end and version 1.3 will come out shortly.
Then, 1.3 is the stable and 1.2 will not be supported further.

> So, this is a request to update the README to be clear about versions of
> libchamplain, clutter, clutter-gtk, etc, and to specify which of those
> are directly required.  Please talk about upstream packages, not Linux
> package names, because geeqie is in theory (and mostly is) portable to
> any reasonable POSIX-like system (I'm using it on NetBSD, and have been
> using gqview/geeqie for probably 15 years).

Could you please create an issue on github so that could be tracked and
worked on? Requests in the mailing list gets lost.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Greg Troxel]

Colin Clark  writes:

> The config change was made by Vladimir on 18/8/2012 (I think). If 
> clutter and libchamplain libraries are installed, and the enable-clutter 
> option given, then the map is compiled in also.
> The user has the option of preventing the map being included by use of 
> the disable-gps option.

What does clutter do without champlain?

I would be inclined to call this --enable-libchamplain rather than
--enable-gps, becuase --enable-gps sounds like gpsd and real-time
positioning.

I would love to see a way to show all images in a directory on a map at
once, and to get a subview of just the ones in a region after selecting
or clicking on a cluster marker.  Try some of those proprietary photo
apps to see what I mean :-)

> If people report a problem with the map, I will try to help solve it. 
> But from the mailing list I get the feeling that the map is not a 
> significant function for Geeqie users.

I suspect it will become more important as geotagging is more commmon,
especially if it becomes low effort to enable.


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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Roger]

>If people report a problem with the map, I will try to help solve it.  But 
>from the mailing list I get the feeling that the map is not a significant 
>function for Geeqie users.

Currently I use Geeqie (as well as the past gqview) as a light weight image 
viewer.  I tend to dislike bloated software, having features not used by 
myself.

Although I do not own a camera currently which automatically embeds GPS 
coordinates, I can readily see myself using such a feature had I owned such a 
camera.  (Nor am I well inclined to manually enter coordinates within the EXIF 
information manually for each image!)

On the flip side, to ensure this feature does not encourage misconceptions, had 
I had a camera embedding coordinates, I would likely readily utilize the 
feature.

So all for having this feature, but likely having a configure time option, and 
future will likely be default as more cameras have GPS by default.

I do have a rather large image collection from the past ten years, containing 
images throughout the US and overseas, but unfortunately no GPS coordinates, 
for which you can imaging is not a good thing!  Owners having the money 
currently would also desire such features.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Hi Colin,

First, don't get me wrong, I like the feature. You might have seen that
I like all the GPS stuff around and having a application that work with
it is great.

On the other hand I am looking at the user base. And there, it is not
the biggest feature.

And when it comes to GTK3, I see all the down draws it has. GTK3 is that
bad, user wise, than all the gnome stuff present days. I hate the way it
is going.

Am So den 15. Mai 2016 um 17:26 schrieb Colin Clark:
> I can get an image flickering problem if I resize the image window - but 
> this depends on some combination of several things:
> If the image is scaled 1:1/fit-to-window/Gnome/XFCE etc.

Well, I usually use it on fvwm2. I dried many other desktop environments
and always came back to that.
- - Gnome is just more and more trying to treat the user as a child and
  keep him from being the one that drives the computer.
- - KDE is better that far but I do not like the resource consumption and
  the 1000 of daemons that it starts.
- - Window maker I tried once and it is not my piece of cake.
- - ratpoison I tried once... :-D
- - i3 was promising but not more.
- - mwm was the old times, never used since then.
- - ...

But I stray away from the subject.

> If people report a problem with the map, I will try to help solve it. 

I believe you. And it can be used with current version just with
explicit enabling. The problem seems not your code than the library it
is using.

However, I think that we can focus on that in 1.4.. I hope to finally
release 1.4 end of the month. (See the issues I choose for inclusion[0])

> But from the mailing list I get the feeling that the map is not a 
> significant function for Geeqie users.

Oh, for me, it is a loved feature. However, as it was proved in the
past, my likings and dislikings are not always the same of other users.
:-)

My thoughts about that are:
- - How can we control, what data is sent to openstreetmap?
- - Is there a way to have it without GTK3 atm?
- - What about such problems like the flickering I described? (From the
  bug reports I learned that users could be picky about that)
- - How is the overall speed

Regards
   Klaus

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Colin Clark]

On 06/05/16 17:53, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> I installed libchamplain-0.12-dev, libclutter-gtk-1.0-dev and
> libchamplain-gtk-0.12-dev now and enabled via "--enable-gps
> --enable-clutter". (Is clutter always needed? Why not just have the gps
> switch if it is bound to clutter?)
>
> Compile and went well but...
>
> (geeqie:10413): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x 
> and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
>
> :-(
>
> So at least under debian, it is not strait forward.
> Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>
> Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
> - - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
> - - Buttons and layout are ugly
> - - Image display flickers when using map display
>
>
Hi Klaus

The config change was made by Vladimir on 18/8/2012 (I think). If 
clutter and libchamplain libraries are installed, and the enable-clutter 
option given, then the map is compiled in also.
The user has the option of preventing the map being included by use of 
the disable-gps option.

I can get an image flickering problem if I resize the image window - but 
this depends on some combination of several things:
If the image is scaled 1:1/fit-to-window/Gnome/XFCE etc.

I don't resize the window much, so it is no real problem for me. As for 
GTK-3, I have no choice but to use it. One of the main reasons I use 
Geeqie is because of the map - to me image location is as important as 
date-and-time.

[I have scanned in some of my old slides - but whenever I look at them 
all I think is "Which building? Which mountain? Which country?" - I wish 
GPS had been around at the time of Kodachrome 64!]

But as you have written, Geeqie is stuck with GTK.

If people report a problem with the map, I will try to help solve it. 
But from the mailing list I get the feeling that the map is not a 
significant function for Geeqie users.


Colin..


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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Roger]

> On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:11:27AM +0200, Josef Kufner wrote:
>Roger wrote, on 7.5.2016 04:24:
>>> Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>>>
>>> Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
>>> - - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
>>> - - Buttons and layout are ugly
>>> - - Image display flickers when using map display
>>>
>>> So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(
>> 
>> Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
>> half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
>> gtk-2 on this note.
>
>Hmm... how crazy idea it would be to port Geeqie to Qt5 ?  :)

As crazier as it sounds, I still far prefer GTK over QT.  QT is ugly in my 
opinion, and pulls in far too many depends.  Although if you run KDE, you're 
likely not going to notice.

I think GTK-3 is at a stumbling block, and the it's own ugliness is likely 
temporary.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Am Sa den  7. Mai 2016 um 12:52 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> > Hmm... how crazy idea it would be to port Geeqie to Qt5 ?  :)
> I had that idea many times now. I do not like the way, GTK is going to.
> 
> But the work is simply to much to do...

One of the problems is, that Qt is C++ while geeqie is C. It is one
thing to just implement a interface in C++ (exiv2) and another to port
the whole application to use C++ GUI stuff.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Am Sa den  7. Mai 2016 um 10:11 schrieb Josef Kufner:
> Roger wrote, on 7.5.2016 04:24:
> >> Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
> >>
> >> Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
> >> - - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
> >> - - Buttons and layout are ugly
> >> - - Image display flickers when using map display
> >>
> >> So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(
> > 
> > Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
> > half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
> > gtk-2 on this note.
> 
> Hmm... how crazy idea it would be to port Geeqie to Qt5 ?  :)

I had that idea many times now. I do not like the way, GTK is going to.

But the work is simply to much to do...

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Josef Kufner]

Roger wrote, on 7.5.2016 04:24:
>> Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>>
>> Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
>> - - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
>> - - Buttons and layout are ugly
>> - - Image display flickers when using map display
>>
>> So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(
> 
> Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
> half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
> gtk-2 on this note.

Hmm... how crazy idea it would be to port Geeqie to Qt5 ?  :)

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Roger]

>Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>
>Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
>- - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
>- - Buttons and layout are ugly
>- - Image display flickers when using map display
>
>So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(

Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
gtk-2 on this note.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Hi,

Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um 15:23 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um 14:52 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> > Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um  8:58 schrieb Colin Clark:
> > > Time has flown by, and now GPS and electronic maps are part of everyday 
> > > devices - including cameras.
> > > 
> > > Do you think that the GPS  map option should now be set as the default?
> [...]
> > So, lets, at least, start on our side to explicitly compile it with
> > libchamplain support.
> 
> Ha, just had to install libudev-dev manually...
> 
> I installed libchamplain-0.12-dev, libclutter-gtk-1.0-dev and
> libchamplain-gtk-0.12-dev now and enabled via "--enable-gps
> --enable-clutter". (Is clutter always needed? Why not just have the gps
> switch if it is bound to clutter?)
> 
> Compile and went well but...
> 
>(geeqie:10413): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x 
> and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
> 
> :-(
> 
> So at least under debian, it is not strait forward.

Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.

Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
- - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
- - Buttons and layout are ugly
- - Image display flickers when using map display

So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um 14:52 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um  8:58 schrieb Colin Clark:
> > Time has flown by, and now GPS and electronic maps are part of everyday 
> > devices - including cameras.
> > 
> > Do you think that the GPS  map option should now be set as the default?
[...]
> So, lets, at least, start on our side to explicitly compile it with
> libchamplain support.

Ha, just had to install libudev-dev manually...

I installed libchamplain-0.12-dev, libclutter-gtk-1.0-dev and
libchamplain-gtk-0.12-dev now and enabled via "--enable-gps
- --enable-clutter". (Is clutter always needed? Why not just have the gps
switch if it is bound to clutter?)

Compile and went well but...

   (geeqie:10413): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and 
GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported

:-(

So at least under debian, it is not strait forward.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um 14:52 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> So, lets, at least, start on our side to explicitly compile it with
> libchamplain support.

Hmm.. At least on debian, this is uninstallable as it has some depending
chain that want to install more new udev than the last working version
215-18.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

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Hi,

Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um  8:58 schrieb Colin Clark:
> Time has flown by, and now GPS and electronic maps are part of everyday 
> devices - including cameras.
> 
> Do you think that the GPS  map option should now be set as the default?

I like the solution. However, the last time I tried, it was in bad
shape. I believe, there is some work needed.

Maybe we can designate it for version 2.0 or maybe for 1.4. I do not
thing that we should do it for 1.3.

I just looked who was the original author, and seen that it was you. :-)

So, lets, at least, start on our side to explicitly compile it with
libchamplain support.

Regards
   Klaus
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