Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-05 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Rob, I don't want to leave this unanswered, although I very likely cannot provide the answers you like to get ... (steering-discuss in cc, so that other SC memebers might agree or disagree) Am 04.06.2011 02:09, schrieb robert_w...@us.ibm.com: If someone on the list from TDF is authorized

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-05 Thread Sam Ruby
2011/6/5 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: In your questionary, the questions to me seem to be of two kinds: 1) questions that are targeted to individuals actions (sign Apache CLA, contribute code to Apache as well as to TDF ...) 2) fundamental questions on TDF (join Apache and

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-05 Thread robert_weir
André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote on 06/05/2011 12:17:40 PM: Hi Rob, I don't want to leave this unanswered, although I very likely cannot provide the answers you like to get ... (steering-discuss in cc, so that other SC memebers might agree or disagree) Am 04.06.2011 02:09,

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread robert_weir
William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote on 06/04/2011 12:22:31 AM: From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/04/2011 12:23 AM Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible? On 6/3/2011 7:09 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: If

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as negative yet if the ASF Board were to response to such questions without first understanding the consensus of the members I would be most displeased with my Board. To expect the TDF to treat their membership in this

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread robert_weir
Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/04/2011 11:59:08 AM: Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible? I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as negative yet if the ASF Board were to response to such questions without first understanding

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/04/2011 11:59:08 AM: Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible? I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as negative yet if the ASF Board

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/4/2011 7:37 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: It is not relevant how ASF would answer these questions. You see, I think it is, and apparently other mentors do as well... I'm open to to possibility that a 6-month old open source association with a single project might have more

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:44 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: You could ask these questions of RedHat management, or Novell management, but in asking this of open source management suggests to me that there is a serious disconnect in your understanding of meritocratic, open

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Sam Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 4 Jun 2011, at 18:13, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/04/2011 11:59:08 AM: Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/4/2011 1:17 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Our emails may have crossed in the ether. My suggestion is that I take ownership of this question. I will state that I do not plan to proceed via this questionnaire. I missed the *what* you were taking ownership of :) Coolio, and thanks.

TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread robert_weir
If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can get such authorization), I'd appreciate an official stance on the following questions. This would help us understand what room there is for negotiation and what is not worth discussing at all. For willing to consider it, I

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
Rob - their mailing list is over at steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org, details here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists S. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can get such

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread robert_weir
Yes, Simon, I am aware of that. But I have no standing in the IPMC to liaise with another organization on their behalf. Jim sent a note to their leaders, as well as OOo, and invited them to join this conversation. Several of their Steering Committee and Engineering Steering Committee

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: Rob - their mailing list is over at steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org, details here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists I too have now subscribed and posted to that list[1]. My first point is (a

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2011 7:09 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can get such authorization), I'd appreciate an official stance on the following questions. This would help us understand what room there is for negotiation and what is not