Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Danny Angus
Vic, Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this. This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project. If you want to make trouble please make it in the appropriate place,

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Danny Angus
The ASF treats the allegations of code copying very seriously, and will take what actions are necessary to ensure that no IP rights are violated, any offending code, if found, is removed, and any other appropriate action is taken. GREAT!!! That is 99% of what I wanted to hear. I

Re: [general] Updating 'whoweare.html'

2003-11-11 Thread Jeffrey D. Brekke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffrey D. Brekke [ No description at this time please ] Thanks, jb On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:38:18 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [in case it's not obvious, this email pertains only to Jakarta committers] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread mohammad nabil
Vic, Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this. This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project. If you want to make trouble please make it in the appropriate place, where

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, mohammad nabil wrote: Vic, Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this. This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project. If you want to make

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 09:57 AM, mohammad nabil wrote: Vic, Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this. This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project. If you

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Danny Angus
why it is not the appropriate forum for this shouldnt we know the truth??!!! We must know the truth Quoting from my original message which you appear NOT to have read before replying to it: This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread mohammad nabil
Because this forum is not Geronimo's forum. This is for Jakarta, a project at Apache specialising in some areas of server-side Java. Some parts of Jakarta could be being used in Geronimo. Hen then, What is the Truth?!! Only the Truth and nothing but the Truth! -mnm

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread mohammad nabil
Since you ask so nicely I'll reveal a secret to you... YOU may know the TRUTH... But first you must subscribe to the geronimo mailing list and take your geronimo questions over there. @see http://incubator.apache.org d. mmm, ok i gave you your chance and tursted you will say What the Truth is!!

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Danny Angus
as you like, i just wanted to help Mohammed,-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is the Right place to discuss this. d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Serge Huber
At 04:11 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote: Since you ask so nicely I'll reveal a secret to you... YOU may know the TRUTH... But first you must subscribe to the geronimo mailing list and take your geronimo questions over there. @see http://incubator.apache.org d. mmm, ok i gave you your chance and

Re: BSD style code and licensing issues

2003-11-11 Thread Mark R. Diggory
That last thread seemed such a waste of bandwidth. Unfortunately it swallowed a discussion we were trying to start concerning Licensing issues associated with the consideration of using BSD style licensed code in Apache Projects. To formulate a more solid point people can respond to: Can BSD

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Nayak, Prashant
Proposal for the HiveMind Project (0) Rationale HiveMind is a simple framework for creating pluggable, configurable, reusable services. Simple: HiveMind is a way to create a network of services in terms of Java interfaces and classes; it cherry picks the most useful ideas from Service

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Mike
Please turn off your receipt request when posting. ::-Original Message- ::From: Nayak, Prashant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ::Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:35 PM ::To: Jakarta General List ::Subject: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework :: :: :: ::Proposal for the HiveMind Project ::

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Michael Fraenkel
Return Receipt Your [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework document :

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.) Due to this Stein mistake OSS could be view as very lowest form. Makes me

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Daft question, possibly, but could someone summarise the IP issue that was happening over HiveMind and how it is currently resolved. I've not been following the thread, but I've seen the noise. Is everything squared away and happy? Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nayak, Prashant wrote: Proposal

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 11, 2003, at 1:25 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: ASF should publicly applogize, and as a sign of friendship with OSS, do something to help jBoss, such as help with J2EE certification, or help with code or something. This statement jumped out at me like a tiger. The suspicious might read the

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Vic Cekvenich wrote: I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.) Why not mail the httpd list then? Or the Ant list?

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
So this proposal is dependent on the grant? Any time line on that? [not trying to get in the way, jsut to do the pmc-thing] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS repository, the temporary downloads directory and

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread hlship
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before any real action is necessitated. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Cool. Could this be added as a note to the proposal? As a dependency or whatever. Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Nayak, Prashant
Just wanted to confirm that the software grant agreement is being processed by WebCT and should hopefully be ready soon. Prashant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:46 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re:

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
Once rec'd by myself, I will make note of it. Nayak, Prashant wrote: Just wanted to confirm that the software grant agreement is being processed by WebCT and should hopefully be ready soon. Prashant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Martin Cooper
Accepting this proposal as currently written would also involve the acceptance of five new individuals as Apache committers. Based on where the HiveMind repo currently is/was, that implies giving five unknowns (to me, anyway) access to Jakarta Commons as a whole. I'm not so sure I'd be willing to

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread hlship
Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry Accepting this proposal as

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Quoting: Note: the current code base reflects an alternate package name, org.apache.commons.hivemind. Subsequent research has shown that HiveMind is not a suitable candidate for the Jakarta Commons. The existing code base will be migrated to the new package during the transition out of the

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Christopher C Mitchell
Return Receipt Your [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework document :

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Shane Curcuru
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I will try to make this last message on the topic of ethics, its up to the people sitting on the hands to see this is as a problem and do something. Well, I've been sitting on my hands realy hard trying not to jump in with a witty and sarcastic reply

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.). Even if it were proposed that Hivemind stay in jakarta-commons, I do not share Martin's

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Scott Tavares
Vic Cekvenich wrote: snip I have been thinking about it, I do not think removing the offeding code is appropriate or sufficient. If proven, I think offending devlopers, new or old should be baned from ASF (and other OSS projects) for a few years. The project should be parked. Let it live

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Scott Tavares wrote: Geezz relax Vic, . I can not understand why you are so passionate about this. Sincerely I think this is bad for open source and for sofware, which is where I do make a living. This is great for comercail vendors, proving that open source are... less ethical. What

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Dude get a life and stop wining, we have better things to do, than read this shit. One thing is to have an opinion, the other thing is listening when people are actually saying you are wining and complaining at the worng place. LISTEN! Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 23:37, Vic Cekvenich

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Nathaniel G. Auvil
+1000 --- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude get a life and stop wining, we have better things to do, than read this shit. One thing is to have an opinion, the other thing is listening when people are actually saying you are wining and complaining at the

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread mohammad nabil
we are talking about software here. It's no life and death matter. No one is going to lose their life over this. It's not like a U.S. gov. official leaking the name of a CIA operative to the public. what that mean :s _

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 00:20, mohammad nabil wrote: we are talking about software here. It's no life and death matter. No one is going to lose their life over this. It's not like a U.S. gov. official leaking the name of a CIA operative to the public. what that mean :s