Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 01:28:56 Alec Warner wrote: Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition for gentoo.org. However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a subset of Team Edition users would like to host their gentoo.org mail on gmail. Activating

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 01:28:56 Alec Warner wrote: Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition for gentoo.org.  However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a subset of Team Edition

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
Brian suggested I give more details, so here is more information ;) 23:36 ferringb antarus: why are we getting it for free offhand? 23:36 ferringb well, getting this moreso 23:37 ferringb (yes, I will look a gift horse in the mouth- it can quickly become a cash-sinkhole if the horse hasn't had

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Duncan
Alec Warner posted on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:28:56 -0700 as excerpted: All content that is what I would term 'of value' to the community should be available anonymously; that is you should not need to sign up for a Google Account to be able to access documents in a read-only fashion. Writing

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 02:24:24 Alec Warner wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 01:28:56 Alec Warner wrote: Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition for gentoo.org. However Team Edition does not come

[gentoo-dev] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all- For those who aren't familiar, pkg_pretend is in EAPI4- the main usage of it is will be use dep checking- this email is specifically regarding an alternative to it that *should* be superior for that use case, but I'm looking for feedback. Basically, we use the original VALID_USE

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-council] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Brian Harring wrote: Roughly, VALID_USE is a list of constraints stating what the allowed use flag combinations are for this pkg. If you think of normal depdencies (I must have openssl and python merged prior), it's the same machinery. Maybe we should first discuss if

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-council] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Brian Harring
Note that while I inadvertantly cross posted (I was intending on cc'ing coun...@gentoo.org, not the ml), doubt they need to be cc'd further- my original attention was to effectively ensure they were paying aware of the details of this so that when I took it to them folk were informed. CC'ing

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-council] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Brian Harring
Note I inadvertantly cross posted, I was intending on cc'ing coun...@gentoo.org. As such one final cc to that ml to end this subthread while pulling this back to -dev. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:16:22PM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote: Hola all- Comments desired; assuming no significant

[gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Brian Harring wrote: Not just my proposal- council contradicted it via even letting pkg_pretend into EAPI3 (now EAPI4): http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-coun...@lists.gentoo.org/msg00493.html It says displaying conflicting USE flags which doesn't necessarily imply

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-council] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
| Occasionally, ebuilds will have conflicting USE flags for | functionality. Checking for them and returning an error is not a | viable solution. Instead, you must pick one of the USE flags in | conflict to favour. [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/ I honestly

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Ben de Groot
On 31 March 2010 07:28, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: This thread is primarily engaged in gauging interest in such a setup. Please reply if you are interested (or go vote on the bug.) I am definitely interested. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 3/31/10 1:04 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: We already have enough issues with circular dependencies, and I'm sceptical about adding additional failures on USE flag conflicts. Display a warning, but don't error out. How about only allowing local USE flags to conflict? This also seems to be the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Joe Peterson
On 03/31/2010 02:18 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: i'm already using ~/.forward which means mail still goes to mail.g.o and that server takes care of forwarding it to my private gmail.com account. then my mail client fetches it from gmail.com via the normal pop/imap methods. there is no need

[gentoo-dev] GSoC

2010-03-31 Thread Serheo
Google summer of code test message. Sorry for interuption. -- .. С уважением, Сергей Александрович.

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: 2 unmaintained xfce-extra plugins

2010-03-31 Thread Samuli Suominen
# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (31 Mar 2010) # Unported to new xfce-base/exo-0.5 API and no activity # on upstream git. Also using HAL which is deprecated. # Masked for removal in 30 days. xfce-extra/xfce4-volstatus-icon # Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (31 Mar 2010) # Doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:11:30 Joe Peterson wrote: It's a Google Apps account, not just a Gmail account. You cannot have more than one gmail account open in your browser at one time - the cookies are not separate. Whereas you *can* have your gmail and all of your google apps accounts

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-03-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:46:26 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: Actual name I don't hugely care about, I'm more interested in ensuring we don't rule out doing use cycle breaking via a bad design decision. Cycle breaking requires explicit instructions from the ebuilds in question

[gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello! When browsing through emerge logs (using elogv) I often come across stuff that doesn't affect me. Two examples: x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 warns: You must rebuild all drivers if upgrading from xorg-server 1.6 or earlier, because the ABI changed. dev-db/mysql-5.1.45-r1 logs:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:08:40 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there some kind of evilness in this usage of has_version that I am not aware of? Unfortunately, yes. Historically, has_version in pkg_postinst would return results based upon the version that *was* installed. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello, On 03/31/10 07:28, Alec Warner wrote: Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition for gentoo.org. However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a subset of Team Edition users would like to host their gentoo.org mail on gmail. Activating Standard

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2010 01:19 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:08:40 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there some kind of evilness in this usage of has_version that I am not aware of? Unfortunately, yes. Historically,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/31/10 22:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Is there some kind of evilness in this usage of has_version that I am not aware of? Unfortunately, yes. Historically, has_version in pkg_postinst would return results based upon the version that *was* installed. What's status quo? What did it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:29:50 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/31/10 22:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Is there some kind of evilness in this usage of has_version that I am not aware of? Unfortunately, yes. Historically, has_version in pkg_postinst would return

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/31/10 22:31, Zac Medico wrote: For those who may not know, has_version can be called in pkg_preinst to find the previous version, and the result can be stored in a variable for us in pkg_postinst. So has_version takes the version just installed into account when called from pkg_postinst?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/31/2010 01:37 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 03/31/10 22:31, Zac Medico wrote: For those who may not know, has_version can be called in pkg_preinst to find the previous version, and the result can be stored in a variable for us in pkg_postinst. So has_version takes the version just

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 16:28:15 Sebastian Pipping wrote: To be very clear: Please take my vote against increasing dependencies on Google. so dont use it On a side note: This is not a technical discussion only. As such please use gentoo-core for this next time. Thanks. incorrect ... it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Joe Peterson
On 03/31/2010 01:40 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: Those, like me, who have several google apps accounts (I have a personal business one, a personal one, and a work one) can keep accounts separate this way. Also, since it's the gentoo.org google apps account, the email address looks the same as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unnecessary logs: has_version to the rescue?

2010-03-31 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/31/2010 02:16 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 03/31/10 23:05, Zac Medico wrote: Yeah, but the same slot thing is a little ambiguous since the given atom could possibly match multiple slots that include the one whose postinst is currently running. So, I'd make has_version generate a QA

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Joe Peterson
On 03/31/2010 02:28 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: I am worried that if people start using say Google Docs for collaborating on Gentoo content, everyone else is forced to use Google Docs to participate. Gentoo could set policies that such shared resources should not be done via google calender,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/31/10 23:20, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 16:28:15 Sebastian Pipping wrote: To be very clear: Please take my vote against increasing dependencies on Google. so dont use it On a side note: This is not a technical discussion only. As such please use gentoo-core

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 17:33:17 Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 03/31/10 23:20, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 16:28:15 Sebastian Pipping wrote: To be very clear: Please take my vote against increasing dependencies on Google. so dont use it On a side note: This

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/01/10 01:09, Mike Frysinger wrote: no one is forcing you to, nor is anyone talking about having teams use it. if Gentoo developers themselves choose to, it's going to happen irregardless of what Alec is proposing. we are talking about public, shared work on gentoo - not about stuff

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31-03-2010 23:49, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 04/01/10 01:09, Mike Frysinger wrote: your logic does not lead to the statement that gentoo-core is the appropriate place. point takes, it's not the non-technical nature - i should put it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 19:49:15 Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 04/01/10 01:09, Mike Frysinger wrote: no one is forcing you to, nor is anyone talking about having teams use it. if Gentoo developers themselves choose to, it's going to happen irregardless of what Alec is proposing. we are

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-31 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/01/10 02:44, Mike Frysinger wrote: the rest of your gentoo-dev vs gentoo-core logic has been addressed by Brian/Jorge -- this is the internet, you have no privacy, get over it. privacy is not black and white. i'm aware there's no leak-free zone. i have put my point clear before, if