Carlos C. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hmm You may have a point here too Mark. I guess I tend to view newbies
through the lens of my experience. Since I still consider myself a newbie.
I tend to read the documentation and do my own research and frankly
oftentimes I
On Saturday 05 April 2003 7:14 am, Abhishek Amit wrote:
On 05:15 Sat 05 Apr , Vano D wrote:
This is why it would be a superb idea for Gentoo to adopt something like
Knoppix. What I would really love to see is a Knoppix Gentoo where the
whole base is a Gentoo system with portage and all
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 04:16:13 +0300
Sami Näätänen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And here is my comments on them.
*) simple configuration of alternate GRP address' (for internal
network, make admin make packages and sign, then deply)
Should this be like the Portage tree overlay
But be aware of
Gentoo 1.4's glibc 2.3, I could not install 9iR2 on it...
ive got a legacy oracle 8.0.5 installed on a gentoo 1.4/glibc2.3 system.
its a little outdated (by postgres) :P
[ root @ crunch ] /usr/lib emerge -s glibc
Searching...
[ Results for search key : glibc ]
[
On Saturday 05 April 2003 12:58, Spider wrote:
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 04:16:13 +0300
Sami Näätänen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And here is my comments on them.
*) simple configuration of alternate GRP address' (for internal
network, make admin make packages and sign, then
I guess you dont use a modem like a lot of us have to ...
:)
BillK
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 14:14, Abhishek Amit wrote:
...
The portage tree isnt that big... it's about 90 megs.
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The portage tree isnt that big... it's about 90 megs.
I think he means the source packages as well.
I actually meant the /usr/portage/ directory without the distfiles dir
:-)
I don't know why I thought it was bigger than 90 megs. Still, 90 megs is big
but good news is that compression
Several people in this thread seem to associate graphical installers
with precompiled packages, why?
When I talked about a graphical installer in a previous post I
wasn't thinking about taking away the current portage system, nor using
precompiled packages, and absolutely nor taking away
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On Wednesday 02 April 2003 9:33 am, Tan, Stephen wrote:
At the risk of having someone flame me, I'm not sure I'd run Gentoo on
Corporate desktops or servers. I don't think that it's stable enough for a
production environment.
I have to take
it if you would like
that.
Regards,
Bram
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From: Andrew Cowie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 4 april 2003 7:31
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On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:55, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
Yet another
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On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:55, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
Yet another example is that we are going to set up a Oracle cluster on
Linux. Also using Gentoo.
Oracle under Linux tends to be horribly sensitive to variations in
libraries. (Heck
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Sent: vrijdag 4 april 2003 7:31
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On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:55, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
Yet another example is that we are going to set up a Oracle
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(1) Create a file containing a list of the packages you wish to
install. Mine's called pkglist.txt, and looks like this:
sys-apps/vcron
app-admin/metalog
app-misc/mc
app-crypt/gnupg
dev-lang/python
dev-lang/perl
DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
Well, I got used to setting Oracle on Sun boxes on my previous job and
indeed there is a trick to it.
I don't know what problems we might have on Gentoo.
I guess if all env variables are set and the shared memory is ok it might
work smooth.
Filip and I will keep the
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:17:36 +0200
Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, I'll take the bait... here
Several people in this thread seem to associate graphical
installers
with precompiled packages, why?
SNIP
And don't forget that I love Gentoo the
Hi Jose,
On April 4, 2003 01:17 am, Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote:
[snipped]
So what's the problem with this? Power users could still do things
the way they like it, and Gentoo could gain mass adoption from people
(ok, idiot people, sorry again) that doesn't want to mess up with
compilers,
Hi Spider,
This isn't related to the subject of your email but when trying to read it, I
was presented with a bright gaudy yellow message in KMail (at the top of your
email) saying
Message was signed with unknown key.
The validity of the signature cannot be verified.
Problem: OpenPGP
Agree with you, but... (there's always a but :o) )
First of all, maybe I should mind my own business instead of talking
about how things could be better or putting pressure on some developers
that do things for free, so please take this as just an oppinion and
kind chatting, as I don't
Spider wrote:
Okay, I'll take the bait... here
Thanks for your response. As far as I can tell I agree with you.
Gentoo is a 'do-it-yourself' distribution, and very good at it. The
(true) bugs people experience and report are inevitable when you take
into account the rate of change in the
On Fri 4 April 2003 11:22, Spider wrote:
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:17:36 +0200
Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, I'll take the bait... here
Several people in this thread seem to associate graphical
installers
with precompiled packages, why?
SNIP
On Friday 04 April 2003 12:54, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote:
Hi Spider,
This isn't related to the subject of your email but when trying to read it,
I was presented with a bright gaudy yellow message in KMail (at the top of
your email) saying
Message was signed with unknown key.
The
On Friday 04 April 2003 13:00, Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote:
Agree with you, but... (there's always a but :o) )
First of all, maybe I should mind my own business instead of talking
about how things could be better or putting pressure on some developers
that do things for free, so please
On Friday 04 April 2003 13:36, Gwendolyn van der Linden wrote:
I don't see much point in graphical installers, and actually not even
in the binary packages Gentoo already offers on the CD images. The
reason that even a plain RedHat install is bulky is simply because
they want to make all
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
On Friday 04 April 2003 13:00, Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote:
Agree with you, but... (there's always a but :o) )
First of all, maybe I should mind my own
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* About the optimization flags, don't give the idiot users the
chance to change sensitive compile flags. Maybe they could only
change the processor they are compiling for with --march-
and nothing else,
I thought you
Hi Bram,
On April 4, 2003 06:59 am, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
[snipped]
This is a know 'bug' that has been around for many years in the Linux
community.
I didn't know that this elitest attitude had been around for so many years in
the Linux community. Hmm...interesting.
I have only
* DE SMET Bram (BDSR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030404 11:07]:
Well, I got used to setting Oracle on Sun boxes on my previous job and
indeed there is a trick to it.
I don't know what problems we might have on Gentoo.
I guess if all env variables are set and the shared memory is ok it might
work
Spider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:17:36 +0200
Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, I'll take the bait... here
One thing that scares me with the ease-of-install and simplicity, the
lowering of the threshold for users to install Gentoo, is
Carlos C. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Robert,
On April 3, 2003 08:11 am, Robert Spahr wrote:
[snipped]
Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo!
It never ceases to amaze me how adding a nice installer and hardware detection
front-end to Gentoo and other such things
On Friday 04 April 2003 11:13 am, Mark Bainter wrote:
As a result, people who actually know what they are doing, and can
answer /real/ problems and questions will leave the list to avoid the
noise.
I would tend, for the most part to disagree. Those few that do leave
will be replaced by
Spider, you make some very valid points.
I've written a (small, kludgy, in-house, will never be fit for prime time) text
installer in python that essentially asks all the pertinent configuration
questions (root partition, boot partitoin, swap partition, what filesystem
type(s) one wants, static
I heard Mark Bainter said:
Look. If you like what redhat and other distros are doing why don't
you use those distros? I'm not trying to be mean, it's an honest
question.
I don't know about Carlos, but here's my own reason.
I use Gentoo to save time.
All in all, I'm freaking tired of
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Spider, you make some very valid points.
I've written a (small, kludgy, in-house, will never be fit for prime time)
text
installer in python that essentially asks all
I didn't know that this elitest attitude had been around for so many years in
the Linux community. Hmm...interesting.
I have only recently plunged into Linux and that is one of the first
impressions I have been left with when discussing Linux quirks with those
more experienced than me.
On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 05:31, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Why would we want idiot users. I personally believe gentoo should not want to
be an all-users distro. Please let the noobs run redhat, mandrake, caldera,
suse whatever. The installation manual is an excelent way to filter out those
users
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:01:08 +0200
Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll bite again :)
I think Gentoo could be a good option for corporate use, using
some
of the suggestions that have been mentioned in this thread for
improving stability and administration
Hi Mark,
On April 4, 2003 09:13 am, Mark Bainter wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how adding a nice installer and hardware
detection front-end to Gentoo and other such things is considered by many
to be a dumbing down of Gentoo. Honestly. I just plain can't understand
it.
It's
I'll tell you why I like the GRP. I like gentoo a lot as a distribution. There
is one disadvantage in gentoo. It takes a lot of time until the system has
compiled all packages that make it usable for work. Some time ago I got a
computer to work from at a company that participates in my
Hi there,
More than an installer from scratch, what would be really usefull would
be a simple script (can be done in a few hours, but it would be nice to
have it included for people who already know Gentoo) to install the base
system *post stage3*. That is, the system logger and the rest
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 05:20:16PM -0700, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote:
I don't how many times I have heard statements to the effect of well, it
works for me also. As though that alone should make me realize that if I
was a more experienced Linux user the solutions to the problems would be
Hi Bryan,
On April 4, 2003 08:44 pm, Bryan Feir wrote:
Most of the time when I make comments about 'it works for me', it's
not looking down at the person, it's more a comment on 'Well, it _can_
be done, but I have no idea what you're doing wrong so I can't help you
other than to give
On 05:15 Sat 05 Apr , Vano D wrote:
This is why it would be a superb idea for Gentoo to adopt something like
Knoppix. What I would really love to see is a Knoppix Gentoo where the
whole base is a Gentoo system with portage and all (probably not with
the portage tree as this can be huge,
I completely agree with you, Mitchell, but we must take into account
two things: branding and IT managers.
Let's face it, although we all love it, Gentoo has a long way until
it becomes a popular linux distribution. Here in Spain, when you talk
about linux, people thinks about RedHat,
I work in a windows based company as a new oracle dba.
Having experience as a UNIX administrator for quite a time and working with
linux since 2.0.35 (slackware), I had a hard time to learn how to work in a
windows based lan with windows servers.
Lucky for me, I have someone working here that
making the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection,
possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting?
Josh
Date: Wednesday, 02 April 2003 18:00:57 -0600
From: Mitchell James [EMAIL PROTECTED][Save address]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] survey
the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection,
possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting?
Josh
Date: Wednesday, 02 April 2003 18:00:57 -0600
From: Mitchell James [EMAIL PROTECTED][Save address]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] survey
Seems to me the spirit of Gentoo is not to 'compete' with redhat or
any other distribution.
Being more a meta-distribution allows the user to control what they
have on
there machine. That and the portage systems keeps my machine up to
date with
the software I choose to install. It also
Hi Robert,
On April 3, 2003 08:11 am, Robert Spahr wrote:
[snipped]
Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo!
Nothing personal Robert but your comment here was something I simply could not
restrain myself from commenting on :).
It never ceases to amaze me how adding a nice
Not really: you would be putting a lot of effort in trying to make
gentoo into a mandrake/redhat lookalike. Gentoo's advantages are its
easy update and software management, both of which you are saying are
not needed in the scenario you paint.
As far as better installer and hardware detection,
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Carlos,
You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier
installer would dumb gentoo down.
Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and rejecting the portage
system would be missing a large part of what makes gentoo so
I manage development at a small software firm in
Australia.
We began running Gentoo on our development
systems about 8 months ago, and now have 5
systems in our office running Gentoo.
Before this we were using a mixture of windows,
redhat and mandrake linux.
The primary reason we run Gentoo is
Hi Robert,
On April 3, 2003 05:17 pm, Robert Spahr wrote:
[snipped]
You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier
installer would dumb gentoo down.
Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and rejecting the portage
system would be missing a large part of what
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:55, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote:
Yet another example is that we are going to set up a Oracle cluster on
Linux. Also using Gentoo.
Oracle under Linux tends to be horribly sensitive to variations in
libraries. (Heck, it's that way under Solaris too). I'm not going to say
be
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 19:34, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote:
Hi Robert,
On April 3, 2003 05:17 pm, Robert Spahr wrote:
[snipped]
You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier
installer would dumb gentoo down.
Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and
At the risk of having someone flame me, I'm not sure I'd run Gentoo on
Corporate desktops or servers. I don't think that it's stable enough for a
production environment.
(Having had 2 occasions in the past 6 months that I have been running Gentoo
where portage/emerge related issues have hosed
Tan, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At the risk of having someone flame me, I'm not sure I'd run Gentoo on
Corporate desktops or servers. I don't think that it's stable enough for a
production environment.
(Having had 2 occasions in the past 6 months that I have been running Gentoo
gabriel wrote:
i'm hoping the lot of you will be able to help me convert my own company to
gentoo with some usefull stats:
can someone fill me in on what big companies out there use gentoo?
if i get a reasonably strong list, it'll serve as some helpful ammunition in
convertin this (mostly
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Tan, Stephen wrote:
At the risk of having someone flame me, I'm not sure I'd run Gentoo on
Corporate desktops or servers. I don't think that it's stable enough for a
production environment.
snip
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From: gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Quoting Tan, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
At the risk of having someone flame me, I'm not sure I'd run Gentoo on
Corporate desktops or servers. I don't think that it's stable enough for a
production environment.
It is more stable than most commercial distributions (Red Hat and Mandrake in
On Wednesday 02 April 2003 10:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not do nightly upgrades into 2003-spring, I keep that frozen (and
merge in security fixes by adding those ebuilds, digest files, and
meta-data caches by hand).
I am doing the same thing for our gentoo servers, with one
We are using Gentoo for image generation systems used for high end
training simulators (our product). The IT department supplies Redhat
for the desktop systems. This is more a problem of IT being able to get
certified training on Redhat and therefore something that they feel that
they can
On April 2, 2003 07:00 pm, Mitchell James wrote:
Gentoo must have a CD distribution with certified training classes
before it has a chance at my company.
I also have had problems acheiving a stable configuration and wouldn't
recommend your standard desktop user be exposed to that much pain.
gabriel wrote:
i have to say that this sort of response is VERY surprising to me. while i
only have a small network here @home, i've had very few problems when it
comes to stability (mostly the linux learning curve). and what's this about
certified training classes? why would you need that?
This could actually be a seperate post on another forum but I will just
say this.
You can stumble through your Microsoft certs, which means they hold
about the same weight with me as Helium. However, when it comes to RHCE
or the other leading Linux cert program (the name of it skips me right
now
ds wrote:
You can stumble through your Microsoft certs, which means they hold
about the same weight with me as Helium. However, when it comes to RHCE
or the other leading Linux cert program (the name of it skips me right
now but its bad ass) skip one too many times and you trip and fall. I
would
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