On Thu, March 22, 2012 12:55 am, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
* It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
the init system package.
* Service-specific
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
With the pending
I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is.
allan
ajglap gottlieb # fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:16:30 -0500, Dale wrote:
It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it is a
simple cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want
total control, build your own, it is not rocket science.
cough cough You sure about that? I have tried
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely
disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a
platform, is *dying*.
It's not dying, it's evolving - with the associated growing pains. Of
course, that's not
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:43:00PM +0100, Penguin Lover David W Noon squawked:
In that case, the source of the breakage is almost certainly Portage.
If a slotted package is in the world file without a slot specification,
Portage should really take that to mean all installed slots are
On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
William Kenworthy writes:
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
fine, as it does my media center.
Genkernel doesnt, bugs and work arounds on
On Sun, March 18, 2012 8:30 am, Michael Mol wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
On 29/03/2012, at 17:35, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
William Kenworthy writes:
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
fine, as
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
that many of the daemons
The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
that many of the daemons that can be started by udev scripts require
work files on /var, so we could well need
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:33:50 +0200, Willie WY Wong wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else Ping-Ponging with fltk?:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:43:00PM +0100, Penguin Lover David W Noon
squawked:
In that case, the source of the breakage is almost certainly
Portage.
If a slotted
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT?
udev launches nothing. udev scripts do. These scripts are not part of
udev.
That is true, but udev provides no control over when these scripts are
run. udev starts in early
On Thu, March 29, 2012 12:40 pm, wdk@moriah wrote:
On 29/03/2012, at 17:35, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
William Kenworthy writes:
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
My laptop has used dracut
On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote:
snipped
Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do
updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue!
I wonder how many threads we'll get with I haven't updated my Gentoo for
over a year, how do I best do the upgrade? from
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:51:44 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
try tuxonice - allows you to suspend to a file on disk as well as ram
or swap. Added bonus is its much more robust than in-kernel, and the
dev (Nigel) is very responsive if help or bugfixes (usually for new
kernel versions) are
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
With the pending changes
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely
disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a
platform, is *dying*.
It's not
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The
split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things
in different boxes based on their function is good practice. Doing it
based on some arbitrary size
Hello list,
this is my first posting to this mailinglist since I recently switched
to Gentoo. I worked a few years with ArchLinux, then dumped it for
FreeBSD and - due to getting a new Laptop (Thinkpad X220) - I
considered switching back to Linux. So, here I am.
I tried to install
Hi, Mike.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:24:14AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Why is nobody else on
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The
split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things
in different boxes based
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered
ugly except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague,
unarticulated grounds.
I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies of
lots
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:08:40 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
[snip]
The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
that many of the daemons that can
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered
ugly except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague,
unarticulated grounds.
I'll
On 2012-03-29 01:20, Neil Bothwick wrote:
I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of
/sbin and am not too bothered about how that is done. But having
two (or more) of each of these is an artificial mess that is a
solution to a problem that
As I said, it's a matter of
Evening, Neil.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 05:35:35PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I think I have the elegant solution: that would be for the kernel to be
able to mount several partitions at system initialisation rather than
just the
J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote:
snipped
Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do
updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue!
I wonder how many threads we'll get with I haven't updated my Gentoo for
over a year, how do I
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:29:11 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It's already happened here. My kernel mounts / and /usr thanks to the
inbuilt initramfs
That's exactly what I didn't mean, and I think you might have been aware
of that.
Maybe, but it does fit your description.
What I did mean
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:31 +0200, pk wrote:
But this is quite pointless (my whining)
since, as someone else mentioned, code talks Perhaps some day I
can find the time to hack my own solution (which of course will be
perfection ;-) ).
I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect,
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Hi, Mike.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:24:14AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + Alan
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:13:40 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
wrote:
I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies
of lots of software around.
Lots? For most people busybox is enough! If you want
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:13:40 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
wrote:
I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies
of lots of
On 2012-03-29 20:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect, it will be
better than mine :)
I'll be sure to let you know if I find perfection... Perhaps an AI
system that takes care of it self and serves me drinks (with or
without an umbrella) while I lay on
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Can you try doing
dracut -H /boot/initramfs-kernel version here
??
The man page from dracut says that -H is for the current host
instead of a generic host. Maybe the generic host configuration is
messing up something with su that your actual host
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Can you try doing
dracut -H /boot/initramfs-kernel version here
??
The man page from dracut says that -H is for the current host
instead of a generic host. Maybe the generic host configuration is
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200
Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason
is that many of the daemons
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:49 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
The Gentoo
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120329 16:22]:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Can you try doing
dracut -H /boot/initramfs-kernel version here
??
The man page from dracut says that -H is for the current host
instead of a generic host. Maybe the generic host configuration is
messing
On 2012-03-29 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was
the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing
:-D
An underrated movie which contains a lot of geek and Star Trek/SciFi
in general parody... Thumbs up! :-D
Best
Todd Goodman wrote:
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120329 16:22]:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Can you try doing
dracut -H /boot/initramfs-kernel version here
??
The man page from dracut says that -H is for the current host
instead of a generic host. Maybe the generic host configuration is
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
I had to reboot so I made a new init thingy with the -H switch. It works in
Console but nothing root works in KDE. I get the same error.
Heck, Konsole won't even try to come up much less ask for my password.
Krusader asks for password and says that
From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
OK, semantics. Let me re-phrase:
Why is a third party script, running in the context of the udev universe,
indiscriminately allowed to launch daemons at early boot time?
I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev design
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
Don't forget boot-time X-based animation, too. That's an
extraordinarily common feature of mainstream desktop distributions.
And there will be other things, I'm sure.
I don't get involved with those, but I'd hope something
On 29/03/2012, at 22:04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:51:44 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
try tuxonice - allows you to suspend to a file on disk as well as ram
or swap. Added bonus is its much more robust than in-kernel, and the
dev (Nigel) is very
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:55:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev design flaw (as
any fix will be worse than the flaw). Instead it looks to me like
a classic case of
You are free to do anything you want but if you break it you keep the
pieces.
On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
The Gentoo developers have
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/29/2012 09:18 PM, walt wrote:
Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
(lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
Fine. NFS clients. Samba clients. Crypto. SSHFS. NTFS-3g. Security
auditing. Virtualization tools. Perl, python or whatever is necessary
to handle some case which required scripting. X. Graphics loading
libraries. Cupsd, because some
Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
(lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek HDMI
Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 3625
On 03/29/2012 09:18 PM, walt wrote:
Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
(lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek HDMI
Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:04 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting
software to /sbin rather than initramfs?
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Mar 30, 2012 9:14 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
8 snip
splashutils, which is the package dracut uses to generate a boot splash
image, has a lot of dependencies but requires they all be built
USE=static-libs. Plymouth, which does animated boot splash, is a bit
worse;
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