Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-26 Thread Mick
On Thursday 26 May 2011 05:50:14 Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:13:41PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-26 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/5/26 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: PS.  I'm not sure that Linus is using Gnome.  I recall him bitching that the Gnome design approach (which unfortunately KDE imitated) was not the right direction to evolve linux in. Offtopic, but... He ditched gnome, then, a couple of years ago, he

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-26 Thread Indi
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 07:00:02AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: I don't know how good exmap is, but my personal experience is quite different. Between Fall 1999 and Summer 2007 I had a Dell Dimension with a 450 mhz PIII and 128 megs of *SYSTEM RAM* (no not the video card). It was actually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-26 Thread Indi
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 07:40:54AM -0400, Indi wrote: Two 800MB floppies 800 KB, sorry. Can't even think that small anymore... ;) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-26 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 26 May 2011 07:45:09 Indi wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 07:40:54AM -0400, Indi wrote: Two 800MB floppies 800 KB, sorry. Can't even think that small anymore... ;) Too bad, was just about to ask you where you found those back then :) -- Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer icewm. In order to get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I currently have gnumeric and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so bad. ;) I think much of that list are from Qt4 and its

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so

[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Hartmut Figge
Indi: Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light systems). If i will try knode, i get this result: Total: 69 packages (65 new, 2 in new slots,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I used to use a few k apps in the 3 days, they were small and easily integrated into the system. Now kde is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 06:40:01PM +0200, Hartmut Figge wrote: Indi: Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light systems). If i will try

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - because they reuse code. kmail does not have its own html engine.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience that makes most of the other OLD FARTs on this list look like noobs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:10:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I used to use a few k apps in the 3

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:13 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience that makes most of the other OLD FARTs on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 May 2011 22:11:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: But many days Neil and Paul can make me look like a blithering idiot :-) Only with your help :P -- Neil Bothwick Why do programmers get Halloween and Christmas confused? Because oct 31 is the same as dec 25. signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Volker Armin Hemmann writes: This gem is a couple of years old, but still a worthy read: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html Read it. Seriously. Interesting. I'd like to also see KDE4 values :) BTW, according to the author, the only real memory usage information

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:13:41PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - because they reuse

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Indi
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, walt wrote: On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote: For you users of unstable gentoo: the recent update of 'icu' broke dozens of packages (as it always does) including libreoffice. The problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, walt wrote: On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote: For you users of unstable gentoo: the recent update of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Indi
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 08:10:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: It's unfortunate that we don't have small, fast, light, standalone programs to deal with the formats of word, excel, powerpoint, etc but if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:26 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 08:10:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: It's unfortunate that we don't have small, fast,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Indi
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 20:26 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 08:10:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 19:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, walt wrote: On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:17 on Monday 23 May 2011, Bill Kenworthy did opine thusly: Do any of them actually work acceptably in terms of compatibility with MSword though? - having a good, lite suit available for the quick jobs would be nice. Well, my usual initial retort to MS suers

[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-21 Thread walt
On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote: For you users of unstable gentoo: the recent update of 'icu' broke dozens of packages (as it always does) including libreoffice. The problem is that libreoffice fails to build if you have bison-2.5 I

[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 05/22/2011 01:03 AM, walt wrote: I was very disappointed to find a major open- source project following M$ around like a hungry puppy :( It needs to. If it's not compatible with M$, people won't use it as much.