Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 07:29:21PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote SLAX is using KDE4 - and uses 200mb. KDE is flexible. If you have lots of memory, it does use lots of memory. If you don't it doesn't. So don't group it together with 'lets force mono unto our users - for a notes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I don't think that's right. I have a Pandaboard ES with a dual-core 1.2Ghz CPU and 1GB RAM and I bet it would run Gnome just fine. Again, maybe you're referring to something here that I'm not familiar with. I think the key word was micro, but is that off topic (ignoring subject)? Many (such

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:00:09PM -0800, Grant wrote When you say embedded kernels you may mean something I'm not familiar with, but I use a patched vanilla kernel with Gentoo on the Beaglebone and it works great. No uclibc and no busybox. I'm thinking more along the lines of ADSL

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-13 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 01:06:23PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 13, 2012 12:10 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice to see a chip designer not falling into the intel trap of trying to rape every customer for every last cent they have! Don't get me started on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012, 19:33:58 schrieb Walter Dnes: It would be interesting to see a micro port of Gentoo. But you can forget about bringing over KDE-OS, GNOME-OS, or CHROME-OS. If/when gnash is finally ready, or HTML replaces Flash, I could see Gentoo running with ICEWM or a

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: 68k - POWER POWER - Intel Intel - ARM Ah, you've made progress! the 6502 doesn't count Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get embedded linux running on many different flavors of ARM processors. RUSSELL is KING, and imho

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes: Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system replaced by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. Your problem defined:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:55:53PM +, James wrote: Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes: Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system replaced by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. Your problem defined:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote My most sincerest hope is that we take the embedded gentoo efforts from the the embedded gentoo handbook, and integrate them into the regular Gentoo handbook. The distro that does this will be king of the distros!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
Problems with using embedded kernels as a base... * they use uclibc, which has some APIs that differ from glibc. This could break Flash, proprietary video driver binary blobs, and who knows what else. * they generally use busybox symlinks in place of most core utils. The busybox

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 13, 2012 12:10 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: You have neglected to mention the single most important factor of all: inertia Human groups are loathe to change things that already work good enough for something that works better. Intel works good enough. Windows and Linux will be

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. Does anyone think this won't happen? no two reasons: not enough power does not run x86 software

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. Does anyone think this

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-10, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like ARM processors will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:06:36 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. Does anyone

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-10, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:06:36 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 10. Dezember 2012, 20:06:58 schrieb Grant Edwards: On 2012-12-10, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:06:36 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:06:58 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:06:36 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Grant
* Linux is available for non x86 platforms. :) Only by a monumental crowd-source effort never before witnessed in the history of engineering. I'm spoiled then. Gentoo's ARM support is so complete and easy to use, I didn't realize it was a big deal. BTW, I haven't counted but it seems

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:10:12 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When Apple migrate CPUs (they have now done it three times), they tweak It's starting to look like four (ARM this time): http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/implications-of-apple-inc-aapl-intel-corporation-intc-break-up/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Grant
When Apple migrate CPUs (they have now done it three times), they tweak It's starting to look like four (ARM this time): http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/implications-of-apple-inc-aapl-intel-corporation-intc-break-up/ I must be missing one: 68k - POWER POWER - Intel Intel - ARM

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:33:26 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When Apple migrate CPUs (they have now done it three times), they tweak It's starting to look like four (ARM this time):

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-09 Thread James
Grant emailgrant at gmail.com writes: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. For desktops and laptops, x86 was used simply because there was nothing else, so x86 is going to have to fight for it's survival And won't the manufacturers be more inclined to use