Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:39:56 + (UTC), James wrote: Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for established gentoo admins. That's

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for established gentoo admins. That's interesting,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas. Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to generate some

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas. Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to generate some kind of please do it

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently I, avoid systemd. Eh? The Handbook

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote: Seriously, more than a day? Bwahahahaha! You are too funny! THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/08/2015 16:27, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote: Seriously, more than a day? Bwahahahaha! You are too funny! THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the people it's designed for, if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote: Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of those... Me too please, Rich. I still haven't got this six-year-old MBR box to boot raid1 btrfs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition. It's on UEFI systems that you don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:27:08 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first time, now it is just a major PITA Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you're too

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote: Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of those... Me too

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread James
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards at gmail.com writes: I've tried that pathway. Many times. The mostly unattended installers all install things I don't want, pick options I don't like, and end up configured to do things the way the authors of the installer wanted to do things rather than the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Dale
James wrote: Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one,

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread James
Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one, I'm leaning

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:59:47 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: No way on 32-bit Athlon. I have Athlon-XP. Even with distcc to Core2Duo it takes about 10 days of compilation time to build all stuff, I'm not counting time to fix all failures here. Well, I have 3000 packages installed...

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 04 Aug 2015 18:20:40 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-04, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:20:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Grant Edwards composed on 2015-08-04 17:20 (UTC): My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier For some degenerate value of easier. :-) and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. An upgrade will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:20:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12

[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation

2015-08-04 Thread James
Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than