On 3 November 2014 02:09:26 WET, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
wrote:
That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub.
It works
so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl,
especially as
Am 01.11.2014 um 23:28 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey
pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO
image, I always keep system
On 2 November 2014 13:14:56 WET, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 01.11.2014 um 23:28 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey
pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
If I really wanted
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
an httpd in
On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey
My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run
levels
at boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this yet, or it couldn't the last
time I checked. I don't suggest that
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
You guys should check out the ELK stack:
http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work;
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
You guys should check out the ELK stack:
http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub. It works
so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl, especially as
UEFI let's your multiple bootloader.
I use gummiboot on my laptop and
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey
My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run
levels
at boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
You guys should check out the ELK stack:
http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work;
On Friday 31 October 2014 20:26:57 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey
pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely
caused
by some changes
On 1 November 2014 11:19:58 WET, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Friday 31 October 2014 20:26:57 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey
pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few
On 11/01/2014 05:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
You guys should check out the ELK stack:
http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
elastic search,
On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO image, I
always keep system rescue cd image in /boot.
We all have our own ways of doing things. My equivalent to that is to have a
small rescue system in its own partition
On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO image,
I
always keep system rescue cd image in /boot.
We all have our own ways of doing
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
And here I was
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And with systemd,
On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Sunday,
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:11 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30,
TINC
(There Is No Cabal!)
--
G.Wolfe Woodbury
redwo...@gmail.com
On 10/31/2014 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2
does.
Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery
anymore
and Grub2 does its job
Eh?? Grub1 doesn't work properly any more?
On Friday, October 31, 2014 07:05:58 AM Tanstaafl wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2
does. Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working
propery anymore and Grub2
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
If I really wanted to, I might get it to work, but I don't see the point in
spending time on this.
Am 31.10.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
If I really wanted to, I might get it to work, but
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run levels at
boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this yet, or it couldn't the last time I
checked. I don't suggest that everyone has a similar need, but
On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely
caused
by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
If I really
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
If people want to use it, fine.
But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a
problem with it.
It cuts both ways. Let's assume that
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd server's useful if if you
want a basic
On 10/31/2014 06:30 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about the
boot-time of systemd?
(See the [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd thread around 18 -
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about the
On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:54, waben...@gmail.com wrote:
Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 21:35
schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com:
On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
No. Neither of you should keep
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
of the other alternatives, besides the genkernel, which I'm not
interested in using, are vanilla-sources
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
of the other
On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
using from the last year or so:
https://github.com/canek-pelaez/kerninst
With it, after I install a new kernel using the normal portage
procedure, I just do:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
m...@giuseppepappalardo.eu wrote:
On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
using from the last year or so:
https://github.com/canek-pelaez/kerninst
With it,
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
m...@giuseppepappalardo.eu wrote:
On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
using
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
of the other alternatives, besides the genkernel, which
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My
On 10/26/2014 08:43 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
m...@giuseppepappalardo.eu wrote:
On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
As to how do I maintain
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
of
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been using vanilla-sources since September 2009, in all my
machines. I use systemd, so having the latest kernel version doesn't
hurt; a new vanilla-sources version is usually ready a few hours after
Linus
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources
On 26/10/2014 22:21, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been using vanilla-sources since September 2009, in all my
machines. I use systemd, so having the latest kernel version doesn't
hurt; a new
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/10/2014 22:21, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I
On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Keep your stupid propaganda to yourself. Thank you.
Oh, wonderful, we haven't had a systemd flamewar in a whole week.
Please respect the code of conduct. That goes for everybody.
While not contrary to
On 26/10/2014 23:23, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Must be nice; my laptop is so old that it boots slowly regardless of my
choice of init system.
You should try getting it an SSD. It brings back old laptops from the
grave: most desktop software has been I/O bound for some time, and
with a fast
Am 26.10.2014 um 22:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47
Am 26.10.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel:
On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 22:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct
Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 17:41
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com:
I don't care what do you say, how do you think I'm acting or how do
you treat me. As others have said in others threads (with less kind
words), you are kind of a joke for many of us in this list.
I really like to
On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
No. Neither of you should keep it up.
You made a small comment about systemd being so fast that rebooting
doesn't matter. I tried to downplay that by stating that my laptop is
Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 21:35
schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com:
On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
No. Neither of you should keep it up.
You made a small comment about systemd being so
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