Neil Bothwick schreef:
A recent update to dovecot stopped it completely until you updated the
config file. I suppose you could fix that with a cron job that did
echo -5 | etc-update
:-)
My goodness, Neil-- are you aiming to be the next Stephen King?
You certainly have an eye for true
John Green wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:34:00 +0100
Jarry wrote:
Still running portage 2.0.51.22-r3 here, which is why the speed
variation was
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
Do you really think it is important? Because since I'm using Gentoo,
I do not take care about versions, portage does it
Qian Qiao schreef:
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I do is running this set of commands every night from
crontab:
emerge --sync emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge
--depclean revdep-rebuild
So my portage is also always updated, to the last stable version.
Now
Holly Bostick wrote:
Qian Qiao schreef:
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I do is running this set of commands every night from
crontab:
emerge --sync emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge
--depclean revdep-rebuild
Omg, you have emerge --deep --newuse --update world as a
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=1#doc_chap3
copypaste=
Updating your System
To keep your system in perfect shape (and not to mention install the
latest security updates) you need to update your system regularly. Since
Qian Qiao wrote:
But for Jarry, he probably need 2 variables:
BRAVE_YET_DUMB=1
I_WILL_NOT_BLAME_THE_DEVS_IF_MY_SYSTEM_GETS_BORKED=1
Satisfied? Carry on, if it makes you feel better...
Anyway, I'll not fight back to this primitive insultation. It is
under my level, and imho under level of this
b.n. wrote:
Jarry is quite arrogant...
Could you please be more specific? Who did I insulted, or what
makes you think I am arrogant? Copypaste please, if you find
something...
Jarry
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On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=1#doc_chap3
copypaste=
Updating your System
To keep your system in perfect shape (and not to mention install the
latest security updates)
Jarry schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
Qian Qiao schreef:
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I do is running this set of commands every night from
crontab: emerge --sync emerge --update --deep --newuse world
emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild
Omg, you have emerge --deep
Jarry wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Jarry is quite arrogant...
Could you please be more specific? Who did I insulted, or what
makes you think I am arrogant? Copypaste please, if you find
something...
Just read the three lines quoted above and you'll find what I mean.
m.
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b.n. wrote:
Jarry wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Jarry is quite arrogant...
Could you please be more specific? Who did I insulted, or what
makes you think I am arrogant? Copypaste please, if you find
something...
Just read the three lines quoted above and you'll find what I mean.
Yes, I have read
Qian Qiao wrote:
To elabrate even more:
Redhat, suse and possibly other distro users can do cron upgrades, as
those distros never give out in-compatible upgrades to a release.
heh, if only this were truly the case. However the sentiment is still
correct, my beef being with the word *never*.
Holly Bostick wrote:
The Gentoo Handbook does *not* recommend you do these procedures
*unattended*, the way you are doing them.
Well, gentoo says ...update your system regularly I thought
it means really regularly, not when root finds some spare time
to do it. And things, which must be
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That might happen, sooner o later. But still I think it is still better
than leaving some hole for uninvited visitors.
You'd rather having a b0rked system, than some uninvited visitors... Hmmm.
One piece of advice: turn that system off.
-- Joe
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Jarry wrote:
Could some of you, gentoo-wizards, be kind enough and explain, what
is wrong in doing the things the way gentoo handbook recommends it?
Without offensive language, if I may ask...
Being a server guy I'll throw this one out as it hasn't happened yet,
though I expect a fair amount
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I prefer rather breaking some dependencies in my system,
over leaving some security hole in it. I am fully aware of the
possibility that some services might be unavailable, but logsentry
and monit will inform me about it...
If your server
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:49:40 +0100
Jarry wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Jarry wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Jarry is quite arrogant...
Could you please be more specific? Who did I insulted, or what
makes you think I am arrogant? Copypaste please, if you find
something...
Just read the three lines
b.n. wrote:
Polite and respectful.
They don't look that much.
Well, I always thought that using the words like please is a sign
of respect to others. On the other side, some of replies included
phrases like ...it bloody matters!... or how the hell would we
know...! or Jarry needs variable
Qian Qiao wrote:
Tell me how log entries are gonna inform you if the init scripts can't
even start the service?
I'm not sure, probably in ~30min I would get email, if completely
broken server would not make it impossible. I thought either monit
or logsentry would notice it and inform me...
Jarry schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
The Gentoo Handbook does *not* recommend you do these procedures
*unattended*, the way you are doing them.
Well, gentoo says ...update your system regularly I thought it
means really regularly, not when root finds some spare time to do
it.
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Polite and respectful.
They don't look that much.
Well, I always thought that using the words like please is a sign
of respect to others. On the other side, some of replies included
phrases like ...it bloody matters!... or how the
On Monday 07 November 2005 02:04 pm, Jarry wrote:
Which you are not doing, and frankly, you're pretty lucky that something
hasn't blown up up to now.
That might happen, sooner o later. But still I think it is still better
than leaving some hole for uninvited visitors.
Thanks for your
On Monday 07 November 2005 15:22, Qian Qiao wrote:
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Polite and respectful.
They don't look that much.
Well, I always thought that using the words like please is a sign
of respect to others. On the other side, some of replies
Holly Bostick wrote:
Hmmm, interesting concept. What else does root have to do but administer
the server?
Well, in this case it is not some serious server, just for funplay.
And sometimes I really do not have time to take care of it for a couple
of days, week or two. I have a different job...
Polite and respectful.
They don't look that much.
Well, I always thought that using the words like please is a sign
of respect to others.
Sometimes it looks more like sarcasm.
Yours is a bit autistic way to deal with human language. It is not
like using please in a sentence means an
OK, can y'all just drop it? Filling my inbox with bickering is not why
I subscribe to such a fine technical list
On 11/7/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
b.n. wrote:
Polite and respectful.
They don't look that much.
Well, I always
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
trim
doh, everything is trimmed. :D
/trim
Let's leave the brave, dumb, ignorance, arrogance out, and concentrate
on maintaining a server, especially production servers with clients.
First of all, I should point out that maintaining a server is far more
Jeff Smelser schreef:
On Monday 07 November 2005 02:04 pm, Jarry wrote:
Which you are not doing, and frankly, you're pretty lucky that
something hasn't blown up up to now.
That might happen, sooner o later. But still I think it is still
better than leaving some hole for uninvited
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, John Jolet wrote:
At the risk of of adding to the flames here, perhaps an example is in
order I once worked as a sysadmin for a guy who firmly believed in
security. To prevent any security holes from lingering, he did an apt-get
update out of cron every friday
On 11/7/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, I left out an important note: major upgrades, feature upgrades
should always be tested on a test server before applying to
production.
-- Joe
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There are 3 kinds of people in the world:
Those who can count, and those who can't.
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b.n. wrote:
phrases like ...it bloody matters!... or how the hell would we
know...! or Jarry needs variable BRAVE_YET_DUMB=1. Although
such words do not sound good to me, I would never dare to say their
authors are arrogant...
These people are treating you with confidence. They're kidding
Jarry wrote:
As I said previously: fixing errors later is my problem. But if I do
not close some security leak, it would be then problem for me and maybe
someone else too. There are too many unpatched and vulnerable computers
on the net, I did not want to cotribute to it...
But there is
On Monday 07 November 2005 03:52 pm, Holly Bostick wrote:
No, no, Jeff, that is apparently where you are wrong:
Heh, I missed this tidbit..
Jarry schreef:
Well, this will be probably criticised, but after every upgrade
(independently of what was really updated) I restart sshd, named,
On Monday 07 November 2005 03:38 pm, Jarry wrote:
As I said previously: fixing errors later is my problem. But if I do
not close some security leak, it would be then problem for me and maybe
someone else too. There are too many unpatched and vulnerable computers
on the net, I did not want to
On 11/7/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can understand the paranoia of having your servers hacked but there is
usually a middle ground that works reasonably well. I run a script nightly
via cron but all it does is do a portage sync and then *prebuild* binary
packages for any
Holly Bostick wrote:
world. *Ob*viously. Because *ob*viously, emerge -uDNworld updates to the
version of whatever containing the patch for the hole. No matter what
your ACCEPT_KEYWORDS is set to, no matter what USE flags are enabled.
I also wanted to add something: sometimes patches are
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Qian Qiao wrote:
3. Schedule maintenance slots.
That's the best way to manage updates.
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:38:45 -0600, kashani wrote:
If you're looking for an older example some combination of
updates from Postfix 2.0.x to 2.1.x would cause queue corruption. The
recommended way to update was to shut Postfix down while emerging.
A recent update to dovecot stopped it
Hi,
there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixed
and faster now (sorry, forgot original subject). Well, I was really
impressed by that improvement, until today:
emerge --sync takes again very long time, nearly freezing at 51%
of updating portage cache, cpu load is on 99%
Jarry wrote:
Hi,
there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixed
and faster now (sorry, forgot original subject). Well, I was really
impressed by that improvement, until today:
emerge --sync takes again very long time, nearly freezing at 51%
of updating portage cache, cpu load
Jarry wrote:
Anyone else having the same experience?
I've never seen a portage speed improvement in over two years.
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Dale wrote:
Jarry wrote:
Hi,
there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixed
and faster now (sorry, forgot original subject). Well, I was really
impressed by that improvement, until today:
emerge --sync takes again very long time, nearly freezing at 51%
of updating
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:34:00 +0100
Jarry wrote:
Hi,
there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixed
and faster now (sorry, forgot original subject). Well, I was
Nick Rout wrote:
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
Do you really think it is important? Because since I'm using Gentoo,
I do not take care about versions, portage does it instead of me.
All I do is running this set of
Do you really think it is important? Because since I'm using Gentoo,
I do not take care about versions, portage does it instead of me.
All I do is running this set of commands every night from crontab:
emerge --sync
emerge --update --deep --newuse world
emerge --depclean
revdep-rebuild
So my
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixedand faster now (sorry, forgot original subject). Well, I was reallyimpressed by that improvement, until today:emerge --sync takes again very long time, nearly freezing at 51%
of updating
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:03:38 +0100
Jarry wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
Do you really think it is important? Because since I'm using Gentoo,
I do not take care about versions, portage
Nick Rout wrote:
To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified
which version of portage you are running!
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:34:00 +0100
Jarry wrote:
Hi,
there was a thread concerning portage/emerge being recently fixed
and faster now (sorry, forgot original
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