Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-05 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 12:24:22AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:59:18 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and enter a passphrase during boot. But I always wanted to get decryption upon login running, especially because it would

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: Now that’s an interesting idea I haven’t thought of yet. Thanks. My LUKS passphrase is much more secure than my ancient user password anyway *hehe*. Only if it isn't the same. :) In theory neither really need be

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-04 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:54:52AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:06:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you encrypt your home directory then you unlock it when you log in so logging out of your DE safely locks things again. I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and enter

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:59:18 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and enter a passphrase during boot. But I always wanted to get decryption upon login running, especially because it would require me to enter one less password. But haven’t gotten around to that

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Well, considering the fact that Linux comes with its own bunch of encrytion

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 6/3/2014 3:17 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote: So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist. Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened. But never mind... it was definitely off-topic for gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jun 2014 11:00:17 Tanstaafl wrote: On 6/3/2014 3:17 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote: So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist. Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened. But never mind... it was definitely off-topic for gentoo. With

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 04:23:07 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 17:52, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I actually meant the software side: - How to wipe the keys and then wipe the whole memory. The dm-crypt module inside kernel provides a crypt_wipe_key function that

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 4, 2014, at 0:05, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I actually meant the software side: - How to wipe the keys and then wipe the whole memory. The dm-crypt

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 03.06.2014 12:00, schrieb Tanstaafl: So no loss at all if TrueCrypt would really cease to exist. Which totally misses the point of *how* it happened. How it happened is strange and you can make many theories about it. The more interesting question about it for sure is: why did many

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-03 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 10:53:15PM +0300, Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 4, 2014, at 0:05, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 09:53:58 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 18:29, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I actually meant the software side: -

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Some links of interest:

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 02.06.2014 10:22, schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Some links of

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:53:51 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. Given the things that have come out in recent months, back doors and such, what is a good program/software/tool to use that is well . . . secure? Is there such a

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.06.2014 10:22, schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Some links of

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:35 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. why? if you are hacked, they just read what you are reading. Encryption does not help you there at all. It helps if your computer is stolen. This is more, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:35 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. why? if you are hacked, they just read what you are reading. Encryption does not help you there at all. It helps if your computer is

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/06/2014 11:48, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:35 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. why? if you are hacked, they just read what you are reading. Encryption does not help you there at all.

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Tanstaafl
On 6/1/2014 1:45 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Some links

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 02.06.2014 11:20, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:53:51 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. Given the things that have come out in recent months, back doors and such, what is a good program/software/tool to use that

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 02/06/2014 11:48, Dale wrote: I admit, I have never used encryption like this before. I am assuming that if I logout of my GUI, then it is encrypted at that point? Once I log back in, it decrypts it again? Am I at least close? All disk encryption works to this

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You log in (or boot up), the system asks for a password/key or whatever, then unlocks the encryption used. The more common approach is to not prompt for a password/key, but instead store it in the TPM using a trusted

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:06:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you encrypt your home directory then you unlock it when you log in so logging out of your DE safely locks things again. You most likely want the second option, the odds that you have a valid need to protect /usr and /opt are not

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA type breaks in and tries to access something or steals my whole puter, they would just get garbage for data. That

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.06.2014 12:22, schrieb Tanstaafl: On 6/1/2014 1:45 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA type breaks in and tries to access something or steals my whole puter, they would just get

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 06:04:44 -0500, Dale wrote: That said, my UPS claims it will run for about a hour or so. They could go quite a ways around here in a hour. Mine won't last that long, but it does make quite a racket when you disconnect the mains, maybe loud enough to have a thief leave it

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 11:56:24 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA type breaks in and tries to access something or steals

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 12:10:38 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 06:04:44 -0500, Dale wrote: That said, my UPS claims it will run for about a hour or so. They could go quite a ways around here in a hour. Mine won't last that long, but it does make quite a racket when you

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA type breaks in and tries to access

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 06:04:44 -0500, Dale wrote: That said, my UPS claims it will run for about a hour or so. They could go quite a ways around here in a hour. Mine won't last that long, but it does make quite a racket when you disconnect the mains, maybe loud enough to

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:53:51 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. Given the things that have come out in recent months, back doors and such, what is a good

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home,

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: If you're worried about casual thieves then just about any kind of properly-implemented encryption will stop them. If you're worried about a government official specifically tasked with retrieving your computer, my understanding is that it is SOP these days to retrieve

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for.

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:34:40 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Definitely dm-crypt/LUKS for partitions/devices, but why use encfs which needs FUSE, when ecryptfs does the same thing in kernel space? for dual-boot systems, or simply from the point of system recovery, I find it really

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Hampicke
I might add, on a older rig I tried that command once. I ran rm -rfv /* and it didn't erase everything like I thought it would. I figured the command would be loaded in ram and would run until the end of the / structure. It didn't. I can't recall how far it got now but I think it was in

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:06, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: If you're worried about casual thieves then just about any kind of properly-implemented encryption will stop them. If you're worried about a government official specifically tasked with retrieving your computer,

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread godzil
Le 2014-06-02 13:23, Matti Nykyri a écrit : On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Well i have a switch in the door of the server room. It opens when you open the door. That signals the kernel to wipe all the encryption keys from kernel memory. Without the keys there

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:36, godzil god...@godzil.net wrote: Le 2014-06-02 13:23, Matti Nykyri a écrit : On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Well i have a switch in the door of the server room. It opens when you open the door. That signals the kernel to wipe all the

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 2, 2014, at 17:52, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Now that is wicked. Like I said, this could get crazy. Meh. I don't encrypt my disks for desktops at home. My Chromebook comes encrypted out-of-the-box (no doubt the NSA can have it unlocked on request). If I had any other

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 04:23:07 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 17:52, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread godzil
So you backup on harddrive, not tape and theses are not incremental backups. But my question about backup was not only for you but for all that encrypt their servers. The backup part is generally the weakest point. Le 2014-06-02 13:58, Matti Nykyri a écrit : On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:36,

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA type breaks in and tries to access something or steals my whole puter,

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.06.2014 13:28, schrieb Rich Freeman: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically, if I log out but leave my computer on, leave home, some crook/NSA

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:14:27 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 02.06.2014 13:28, schrieb Rich Freeman: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:27:44 -0500, Dale wrote: The second option does sound what I am looking for. Basically,

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.06.2014 16:52, schrieb J. Roeleveld: On Monday, June 02, 2014 03:23:03 PM Matti Nykyri wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 16:40, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, June 02, 2014 07:28:53 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 01.06.2014 14:31, schrieb Tanstaafl: Wow, I've been mostly offline for a few days, and this morning when playing catch up on the news, learned that Truecrypt, one of my all time favorite apps, is no more. Some links of interest: