On 2013-09-04 2:49 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Well in my point of view it boils down to that: someone wants to use ZFS
on Linux. Fine. This means you've got to be a good citizen and obey its
license, of course.
It is for those legal reasons that ZFS is not included into the
Am 02.09.2013 10:47, schrieb Joerg Schilling:
Solaris is dynamic from the beginning:
Well in my point of view it boils down to that: someone wants to use ZFS
on Linux. Fine. This means you've got to be a good citizen and obey its
license, of course.
It is for those legal reasons that ZFS
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Grub works this way:
1) It loads /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix
Question... how does it read that file off a ZFS partition? OK, so
ZFS code has to be installed statically into GRUB instead of statically
into the kernel. Please stop the
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation.
On Solaris no problem with loadable modules - everything is
dynamically loaded.
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
containing the kernel is
also a zfs filesystem, then your grub needs a driver that can read
that filesystem.
Well sys-boot/grub-2.00 provides one. See /boot/grub/zfs.mod
You don't need grub2, a capable older grub does it also, see:
The 04/09/13, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Linux does not contain code to boot AFAIK
Sure, it does. You can boot on the kernel directly without a boot
manager.
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Nicolas Sebrecht
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 10:47:35AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
At what point does grub present a zfs interface for the kernel to use?
After it booted the kernel
You may not know dynamic kernels as Linux is a static kernel that
just may load
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation.
On Solaris no problem with loadable modules - everything is
dynamically loaded. ***YOU NEED A GRUB THAT UNDERSTANDS ZFS AND THAT
GIVES A ZFS INTERFACE TO THE KERNEL TO USE
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off
the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would
have to read the module off the disk to
On 2013-08-31 7:29 AM, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
You must have missed the point that this is for*servers*, that most
people*disable modules* on. I*know* that it is available as a module.
Why, for security reasons?
On 2013-08-31 11:55 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Also, I really wonder what the point is in having to use
initramfs on a system where /usr is part of /.
You don't, it is only *required* if you have a separate /usr... in fact
that is what the whole argument was about.
At
On 2013-08-31 7:32 AM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
If this is not mainline, and it is not trivial gentoo kernels
maintainer patch, and you must have this as static, you can just put
the patch within/etc/portage/patches/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/, so
it will patch your kernel every time
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 09:49:23AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off
the disk. If the code for the root filesystem
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 10:11:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote
You don't, it is only *required* if you have a separate /usr... in fact
that is what the whole argument was about.
At least that is my understanding of the situation now... please don't
tell me I'm wrong and there was another vote
On Sep 2, 2013 5:21 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 09:49:23AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:41:30PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
Case in point - do you enable all the ext4 options, like acls and
whatnot? Let's say no.
What if you suddenly have to mount an external hard disk to
recover some system on your server and the hard disk uses those ext4
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 21:21:10 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Ahem, Mr Bothwick!
Our friend with the thing about free lunches needs you to demonstrate
your penmanship, considering you have some proven results in this area.
...and I'd happily act as editor...
:-) ;-)
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Regards,
Peter
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/08/2013 16:29,
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
Well, if you follow Tanstaafl in the other thread, you'll see that he
wants ZFS to be integrated into the kernel, not existing as a kernel
module.
But why does someone want things to be inside a static kernel?
Since 1991/1992, Solaris does not have
On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by
installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild
after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other
kernel modules
On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux
kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering.
??? I've been running my servers without modules since... I started
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by
installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild
after every kernel update, which
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de
wrote:
Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux
kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device
In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote:
On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not supported
by
Linux?
CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
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Regards,
Gregory.
Gregory Shearman zek...@gmail.com wrote:
In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote:
On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not
supported by
Linux?
CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS
inside.
Jörg
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved
by
installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
with ZFS inside.
See
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7
Now go to File Systems and select support for the
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
with ZFS inside.
See
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
with ZFS inside.
See
On Sep 1, 2013 7:51 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
with ZFS inside.
I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
# lsmod|grep ext
ext3 100768 0
jbd39586 1 ext3
ext2 49572 0
ext4 263621 1
crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth
mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4
jbd2
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
# lsmod|grep ext
ext3 100768 0
jbd39586 1 ext3
ext2 49572 0
ext4 263621 1
crc16 1255 2
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
# lsmod|grep ext
ext3 100768 0
jbd39586 1 ext3
ext2 49572 0
ext4 263621 1
crc16 1255 2
On 30/08/2013 16:44, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that contained
*only*
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd
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