Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre SSH connection reset

2008-03-11 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:51:42 +

 Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 10 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:
   On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:43:55 -0400
  
   Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comcast?
  
   I was on comcast for a long time (2.5 yrs) and never had a problem
   like this.  They might have blocked port 25 and squelched my
   bittorrenting at times, but never anything like this.  Of course,
   ymmv.
 
  IIRC they also block port 80 for sure on their retail accounts.  They
  don't want the average punter to run a webserver at home.

 Even when they blocked port 25 for me bidirectionally (evidently
 sending 6 gigs through that port made me look like a spammer, even if
 it was all to the same address ;) ), and I called security assurance
 and they listed that among all the open ports I wasn't allowed on a
 residential account, even then, they still didn't block port 80 (or 26,
 22, 21, 110, 993, or any other port!).

Hmm, I don't know  . . . The particular address I was trying to connect was 
definitely blocked.  Other than not beeing able to connect with a browser, 
nc, httping and tcptraceroute confirmed it).  Could it be an area/account 
specific block perhaps?  When I questioned the owner he said that this was 
common practice and that his ISP does not allow webservers to run.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre SSH connection reset

2008-03-11 Thread fire-eyes
Hmm, I don't know  . . . The particular address I was trying to connect was 
definitely blocked.  Other than not beeing able to connect with a browser, 
nc, httping and tcptraceroute confirmed it).  Could it be an area/account 
specific block perhaps?  When I questioned the owner he said that this was 
common practice and that his ISP does not allow webservers to run.


Get me a full packet capture of the entire ssh session, and I'll have a 
look at it.


Install tcpdump if you don't have it: emerge tcpdump

If you already have it or it's now installed, as root, just before you 
start the session:


tcpdump -i dev -s 0 host IP and port PORT -w ssh-session-1.pcap

where host is the IP you are connecting to, PORT is the port you're 
connecting to, and dev is the network interface it's going through (such 
as eth0).


Log in, do your thing, and after the ssh session craps, ctl-c the 
tcpdump. Send the file directly to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 
information I'll be able to see is the client and server IP, port, ssh 
client version, and user name, fyi.


I'll reply directly to you and if you agree, we'll post the findings to 
the list.

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[gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Jamie Dobbs
I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu but 
find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the level of 
customization that I can do with it.
However, I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 release 
(there was a 2006.1 from what I recall)? There also appears to have been 
a bit of turmoil in the Gentoo 'management;' - has this affected the 
long term viability of running Gentoo?
Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ advantage 
to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Jamie Dobbs wrote:
I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu 
but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the level 
of customization that I can do with it.
However, I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 
release (there was a 2006.1 from what I recall)? 


There wasn't a 2007.1 release because there was so much changes to so 
many packages and things just never lined up stability wise so there 
could be one.  That's my understanding of it anyway.  It just seems 
there was always something blocking progress.  I have read that 2008 
should be out real soon.  A couple weeks I think.  May want to wait and 
install from that depending on your situation.   
http://www.gentoo.org/news/20080123_releng_beta.xml


There also appears to have been a bit of turmoil in the Gentoo 
'management;' - has this affected the long term viability of running 
Gentoo?


The Foundation had some legal issues for a bit, long bit, which has 
been discussed on here and the forums at length but is either corrected 
now or in the process.  I think it is corrected now but not 100% sure of 
that.  Gentoo is very much alive and kicking tho.  The tree and distro 
itself is humming right along.  I see updates every day to packages so 
that is no worry.  As far as I know, the tree has not slowed down at 
all.  Just needed some lawyers involved on the foundation end.   pukes 
at the idea  

Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ 
advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)



No clue on this one.  I'm not building a 64 bit rig until I know I can 
use it and it is supported 100%.  Since you already got one, may as well. 


Hope that helps.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread KH

Jamie Dobbs wrote:
I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu 
but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the level 
of customization that I can do with it.
However, I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 
release (there was a 2006.1 from what I recall)? There also appears to 
have been a bit of turmoil in the Gentoo 'management;' - has this 
affected the long term viability of running Gentoo?
Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ 
advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)

you can find anonther to your question in the mailing list. this is an 
email chris brennan wrote some days ago:


The problem is that we don't believe in tales about witches and 
premonition, do we? ;)


I do, does that count?

Some people call it yellow press (though in my country it would be 
translated
to pink press :P. This gets kind of boring, because every two or 
three days a similar thread arises in the forum or here. Once a year I 
answer this kind

of topic (I usually just silently ignore them).


Bad press In general should just about do it. If in doubt, /. it first. 
If it's been /.'d, dig, if you can dig it. Something is afoot, and we 
all need to be paying attention :D


Right now, gentoo is stronger than ever. Monthly newsletter works 
again, and
they are better than ever. The legal issues with the foundation (about 
papers

and bureaucracy) are all now solved and portage is maintained and updated
everyday. I figure how a person that use gentoo can question these 
things...
So I figure if any of the persons who open this kind of threads are 
really using

Gentoo for anything else than installing it to be cooler.


Gentoo is like a cult ... it can't easily be killed.

Every generation has a mythology. Every millenium has a doomsday cult. 
Every legend gets the distortion knob wound up until the speaker melts. 
Archeologists at the University of Helsinki today uncovered what could 
be the earliest known writings from the Cult of Tux, a fanatical 
religious sect that flourished during the early Silicon Age, around the 
dawn of the third millenium AD... Gospel of Tux, Verse I


No offense intended. As I said, this just gets boring after 1000 posts 
telling

the same. It kind of seems like spam to me.


It's dead, squashed, flattened, ya hear :D (very poor Capone imitation)


Saludos :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread KH

Dale wrote:

Jamie Dobbs wrote:

Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ 
advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)



No clue on this one.  I'm not building a 64 bit rig until I know I can 
use it and it is supported 100%.  Since you already got one, may as well.

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)


only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working. Maybe 
this is fixed by now.


kh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Mike Mazur
Hi,

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Jamie Dobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu but
  find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the level of
  customization that I can do with it.
  However, I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 release
  (there was a 2006.1 from what I recall)? There also appears to have been
  a bit of turmoil in the Gentoo 'management;' - has this affected the
  long term viability of running Gentoo?

Gentoo is doing just fine. Welcome back!

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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Sergey Kobzar
What does
'wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'
command tell?

Don't forget stop wpa_supplicant before and reload iwl module.


Monday, March 10, 2008, 11:39:55 PM, you wrote:

 2008. 03. 10, hetfo keltezessel 22.28-kor Pongracz Istvan ezt irta:
 
 
 network={
 ssid=HomeLinux
 psk=WADDA
 key-mgmt=WPA-PSK

 In fact this is key_mgmt, I corrected.

 Anyway, with/without key_mgmt it seems it is not working...

 I got this message:
  * Starting wlan0
  *   Starting wpa_supplicant on wlan0 ...
 ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported
 WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not
 supported
 [ ok ]th param 5 value 0x1 - 
  *   Starting wpa_cli on wlan0 ...
 [ ok ]
  * Backgrounding ...


 Maybe a restart needed 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Matthias Fechner

Hi Jamie,

Jamie Dobbs schrieb:
Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ advantage 
to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)


you need a 64-bit system only if you have more then 4GB memory on your 
pc. If not I would suggest to use x86.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:

 I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in
 all. Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.

You and everybody else.

Plus tons of ram, 1TB storage and a good graphics subsystem. Yeah!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
  

I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in all.
  Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.



Huh. Dunno about that. I have a Core2 Duo with 2G RAM here and took 
kdeenablefinal out of USE last night. Started emerge world at midnight, 
wanted to remerge 240+ packages, at 7am this morning it was up to #200 
or thereabouts.


So either these cpus aren't all they are cracked up to be or the 
software is just HUGE. I'm going with the latter :-)


I also see that kde-4.0.2 just hit portage, complete with 345M of 
sources to be downloaded. The other lads in the office here think I am 
completely and utterly mentally defective to want to run Gentoo. I 
think I'm starting to see why they might think that evil_grin


  


My old AMD 2500+ with 1Gb of ram does pretty good.  I would just like to 
be able to type in cat /proc/cpuinfo and see it list those CPUs.  LOL 

I agree, the software is just huge.  It just seems to keep creeping up 
on us.  Compile times just keep going up too. 


+++

[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -ep world | genlop -p
These are the pretended packages: (this may take a while; wait...)

  SNIP one lng list  


Estimated update time: 1 day, 20 hours, 53 minutes.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # 


+++

That used to be about 23 hours or so.  More bells and whistles tho.  o_O

I'm sticking with KDE 3 right now.  With this dial-up and the frequency 
of updates, it's just not worth it right now.  By the time I get it 
updated a new set of updates is coming out.

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Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Pongracz Istvan
Hi,

2008. 03. 11, kedd keltezéssel 10.00-kor Sergey Kobzar ezt írta:
 What does
 'wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'
 command tell?
 
 Don't forget stop wpa_supplicant before and reload iwl module.

Thank you for you help.

I already removed the ipw3945d ebuild from my system.

So, here is the output:

fujitsu ~ # wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported
WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not
supported
WEXT auth param 5 value 0x1 - ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Resource temporarily
unavailable

^CCTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING - signal 2 received
ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported
WEXT auth param 5 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not
supported
WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - fujitsu ~ # 

My relevant dmesg is:

Regarding ieee80211 (grep'ed):

ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13
ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regarding iwl (grep'ed)
iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for
Linux, 1.1.17kds
iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2007 Intel Corporation
iwl3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
iwl3945: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 23 802.11a channels
phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs'
iwl3945: Error sending REPLY_TX_PWR_TABLE_CMD: time out after 500ms.
iwl3945: Error sending REPLY_RXON: time out after 500ms.
iwl3945: Error setting new configuration (-110).
iwl3945: Error sending REPLY_RXON: time out after 500ms.
iwl3945: Error setting new configuration (-110).


Regarding the wlan (grep'ed):

ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready


Anyaway, at this moment I have no wireless access point near to me
(workplace).

Thank you for your help,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in all.
   Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.

Huh. Dunno about that. I have a Core2 Duo with 2G RAM here and took 
kdeenablefinal out of USE last night. Started emerge world at midnight, 
wanted to remerge 240+ packages, at 7am this morning it was up to #200 
or thereabouts.

So either these cpus aren't all they are cracked up to be or the 
software is just HUGE. I'm going with the latter :-)

I also see that kde-4.0.2 just hit portage, complete with 345M of 
sources to be downloaded. The other lads in the office here think I am 
completely and utterly mentally defective to want to run Gentoo. I 
think I'm starting to see why they might think that evil_grin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 P. S.  Is this coming through as plain text?

Yes. They all do that, sir :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -ep world | genlop -p
 These are the pretended packages: (this may take a while; wait...)

   SNIP one lng list  


 Estimated update time: 1 day, 20 hours, 53 minutes.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

Hmmm. Mine's about the same :-)

Estimated update time: 1 day, 16 hours, 10 minutes.

On my previous notebook, that was 11 hours!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:39:39 +0100, KH wrote:

  
only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working. Maybe 
this is fixed by now.



Install nspluginwrapper and the vast majority of flash sites work.


  



Progress is being made then.  The last I heard the vast majority of 
software worked so maybe by the time I can build a rig it will be 100% 
working.   is my issue right now.


I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in all.  
Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.


Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Dienstag, 11. März 2008 schrieb ext Alan McKinnon:
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
  I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in all.
    Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.

 Huh. Dunno about that. I have a Core2 Duo with 2G RAM here and took
 kdeenablefinal out of USE last night. Started emerge world at midnight,
 wanted to remerge 240+ packages, at 7am this morning it was up to #200
 or thereabouts.

KDE 3 is known for its long build times. Thanks to the new build system, KDE 
4 builds orders of magnitude faster (kdelibs 4 build takes way less than an 
hour on my Core 2 Duo laptop, while kdelibs 3 takes more than 3 hours).

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Kristian Poul Herkild
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:

 I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in
 all. Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.

 You and everybody else.

 Plus tons of ram, 1TB storage and a good graphics subsystem. Yeah!

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Make it 2 TB - 1 TB is not enough. But what a machine to compile OO.o
with... not bad, ehh? *drooling*

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Robert Stockdale IV wrote:



On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Kristian Poul Herkild 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:

 I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in
 all. Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.

 You and everybody else.

 Plus tons of ram, 1TB storage and a good graphics subsystem. Yeah!

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Make it 2 TB - 1 TB is not enough. But what a machine to compile OO.o
with... not bad, ehh? *drooling*

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Why not 2 Quad core Phenom processors that would make it 8 cores.
Bob



Do they make them with dual AMD sockets?  Do they make them with quad 
AMD sockets?  I know they did at one time but not sure any more.  I'm a 
AMD person.  Nothing against Intel, just like AMD is all. 

Since I am on a stinking dial-up still, drive space is not a issue for 
me.  :'( 

I do have a old Compaq Presario with quad CPUs and a whooping 128MBs of 
ram tho.  I used to run folding on it.  It's a table right now.  Big 
enough table too.  LOL


Dale

:-)  :-)  :-) 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Uwe Thiem wrote:


BTW, you can reduce the downloads by a large margin using deltup. 
  


Uwe

  


Dial-up user reporting in here.  What is this feature you speak of 
here?  How does this work?


Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Robert Stockdale IV
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Kristian Poul Herkild [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 
  I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in
  all. Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.
 
  You and everybody else.
 
  Plus tons of ram, 1TB storage and a good graphics subsystem. Yeah!
 
  Uwe
 
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Why not 2 Quad core Phenom processors that would make it 8 cores.
Bob


Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:39:39 +0100, KH wrote:

 only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working. Maybe 
 this is fixed by now.

Install nspluginwrapper and the vast majority of flash sites work.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 I also see that kde-4.0.2 just hit portage, complete with 345M of
 sources to be downloaded. 

It's compiling here right now. On two boxes using distcc.

BTW, you can reduce the downloads by a large margin using deltup. 

 The other lads in the office here think I 
 am completely and utterly mentally defective to want to run Gentoo.
 I think I'm starting to see why they might think that evil_grin

The gentoo community is slowly growing here in Namibia - since the 
introduction of ADSL. ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
  

P. S.  Is this coming through as plain text?



Yes. They all do that, sir :-)

  



Thanks.  Any time they don't, let me know.  Here or any other list.  
I'll get my hammer if needed.  :-@


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:29:59 +0100 (CET), Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:

 Make it 2 TB - 1 TB is not enough. But what a machine to compile OO.o
 with... not bad, ehh? *drooling*

Forget compiling OOo, that machine would be fast enough to run it ;-)


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Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Pongracz Istvan
Hi,

I realized, some kernel modules were unloaded.
Maybe I only have to load all the required kernel modules, such as:

ieee80211.ko  
ieee80211_crypt.ko  
ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko  
ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko  
ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko

Maybe rfkill and rfkill_input

I will try again this night :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Amar Cosic
There should be gentoo-chat list


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

 KDE 3 is known for its long build times. Thanks to the new build
 system, KDE 4 builds orders of magnitude faster (kdelibs 4 build
 takes way less than an hour on my Core 2 Duo laptop, while kdelibs
 3 takes more than 3 hours).

Oh, oh, oh. 1 hour vs. 3 hours isn't orders of magnitude. Even in 
binary, it would only be 1 oder of magnitude. ;-)  Otherwise, I 
agree, cmake is much faster than autotools.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:29:59 +0100 (CET), Kristian Poul Herkild 
wrote:
  Make it 2 TB - 1 TB is not enough. But what a machine to compile
  OO.o with... not bad, ehh? *drooling*

 Forget compiling OOo, that machine would be fast enough to run it
 ;-)

Indead, forget about compile time of OOo. It will use only one 
core. :-(

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Amar Cosic wrote:
 There should be gentoo-chat list

There is one. We call it gentoo-user.

It's a rite-of-passage thing. When you figure out the *real* purpose of 
gentoo-user, then we let you into the inner circle.

Next week's lesson is to figure out the *real* mailing list where you 
can get valuable support for user apps.

See you next week.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 Uwe Thiem wrote:
  BTW, you can reduce the downloads by a large margin using deltup.
 
 
  Uwe

 Dial-up user reporting in here.  What is this feature you speak
 of here?  How does this work?

Instead of downloading the whole tarball of a new version of a 
package, it downloads a delta between the latest old version and the 
new version (kind of diff). It then produces the new tarball locally 
from the old one and the delta.

Simply emerge deltup and add the following line to 
your /etc/make.conf:
FETCHCOMMAND=/usr/bin/getdelta.sh \${URI}

It can reduce your downloads by up to 95% depending on how much the 
new tarballs differs from the old one.

And now the downside:

1.
It doesn't help you when you emerge a new package for the first time.

2.
At times, it simply doesn't work. It will then fall back to 
downloading the whole tarball.

Give it a try. If it doesn't suit you, you can simple delete the line 
above from make.conf.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 07:22:38 Jamie Dobbs wrote:

 I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 release (there was
 a 2006.1 from what I recall)?

Gentoo does not have versions. What you're quoting is the version of the 
installation CD, which doesn't have to keep up with the installed system.

 Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ advantage
 to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

Why are you telling us what you're not running? It's hard to answer your 
question in this form.

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Re: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 10 March 2008 20:33:32 Jan Seeger wrote:

 Yes, with 2.6.24, iwlwifi is not required anymore.

In fact you can't emerge it at all with kernel 2.6.24.

 Here's my wpa_supplicant.conf and my /etc/conf.d/net

Heartfelt thanks from me! Your config has got my wifi working; now I'll have 
to find out what difference in particular between yours and mine caused it 
to spring into life.

 network={
 ssid=WLAN1
 psk=key
 pairwise=TKIP
 group=TKIP
 priority=5
 }
[...]
 /etc/conf.d/net:

 modules=(wpa_supplicant)
 wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext # This you need

I thought wext was the default device, no?

 #Network configuration
 config_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.25 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 
192.168.178.255 )
 routes_WLAN1=( default via 192.168.178.1 )
 dns_servers_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.1 )
 gateways_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.1 )

The key difference here is that you've defined variables for the SSID of the 
network link, where I would have used (was using) the interface to which 
that link is attached. /etc/conf.d/*.example don't make this clear at all.

 Also, I have a handy little script which ... stops the net.wlan0
 initscript, unloads the iwl module and reloads the module. The initscript
 automatically restarts.  

It doesn't restart automatically here.

I submitted a bug report: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212383. 
The silence is deafening  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 10:49:02 Pongracz Istvan wrote:

 I realized, some kernel modules were unloaded.
 Maybe I only have to load all the required kernel modules, such as:

 ieee80211.ko
 ieee80211_crypt.ko
 ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko
 ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko
 ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko

After Jan's helpful contribution I got my wifi working, and I don't have any 
of those modules loaded, nor are they compiled into the kernel. You may not 
have the right kernel setup. In particular, I think you want Networking  
Wireless  Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (mac80211) in preference 
to the one without mac80211 in it, which is older.

I assume you've selected the right wireless device driver, but in case it 
helps here's what I have: Device Drivers  Network device support  
Wireless LAN  Wireless LAN (IEEE 802.11) and (in the same menu) Intel 
Wireless WiFi Link Drivers and the 3945 module.

(I should perhaps say this is a Thinkpad T61 with the Intel 3945ABG 
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Re: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Jan Seeger
On Tue, 11. Mar, Peter Humphrey spammed my inbox with 
snip
  #Network configuration
  config_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.25 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 
 192.168.178.255 )
  routes_WLAN1=( default via 192.168.178.1 )
  dns_servers_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.1 )
  gateways_WLAN1=( 192.168.178.1 )
 
 The key difference here is that you've defined variables for the SSID of the 
 network link, where I would have used (was using) the interface to which 
 that link is attached. /etc/conf.d/*.example don't make this clear at all.
That is autoconfiguration: When connected to the corresponding AP, it
automatically chooses the corresponding configuration. If you use routes_wlan0
and similar, it always uses these settings.
  Also, I have a handy little script which ... stops the net.wlan0
  initscript, unloads the iwl module and reloads the module. The initscript
  automatically restarts.  
 
 It doesn't restart automatically here.
That is strange. Have you, perchance, edited something in /etc/conf.d/rc
regarding the hot-/coldplugging services?

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Dienstag, 11. März 2008 schrieb ext Uwe Thiem:
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
  KDE 3 is known for its long build times. Thanks to the new build
  system, KDE 4 builds orders of magnitude faster (kdelibs 4 build
  takes way less than an hour on my Core 2 Duo laptop, while kdelibs
  3 takes more than 3 hours).

 Oh, oh, oh. 1 hour vs. 3 hours isn't orders of magnitude.

That's kdelibs only. The savings sum up to a difference of several hours for 
all of KDE (if I remember right, KDE 4 was built in 4-5 hours last time).

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre SSH connection reset

2008-03-11 Thread Mike Edenfield

Mick wrote:

On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:51:42 +

Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 10 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:43:55 -0400

Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Comcast?

I was on comcast for a long time (2.5 yrs) and never had a problem
like this.  They might have blocked port 25 and squelched my
bittorrenting at times, but never anything like this.  Of course,
ymmv.

IIRC they also block port 80 for sure on their retail accounts.  They
don't want the average punter to run a webserver at home.

Even when they blocked port 25 for me bidirectionally (evidently
sending 6 gigs through that port made me look like a spammer, even if
it was all to the same address ;) ), and I called security assurance
and they listed that among all the open ports I wasn't allowed on a
residential account, even then, they still didn't block port 80 (or 26,
22, 21, 110, 993, or any other port!).


Hmm, I don't know  . . . The particular address I was trying to connect was 
definitely blocked.  Other than not beeing able to connect with a browser, 
nc, httping and tcptraceroute confirmed it).  Could it be an area/account 
specific block perhaps?  When I questioned the owner he said that this was 
common practice and that his ISP does not allow webservers to run.


When I was on Comcast, the only ports they blocked outright, 
that I found, were mail related.  Presumably this was a spam 
prevention measure more than anything else.


However, they did *monitor* other common ports for traffic. 
 Occasionally I'd put some local service or another on my 
firewall during development, or for testing, or whatnot.  If 
it happened to be on port 80, 443, or 21, I'd usually get a 
nasty-gram from then within a day reminding me of their AUP.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread KH

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:39:39 +0100, KH wrote:

  
only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working. Maybe 
this is fixed by now.



Install nspluginwrapper and the vast majority of flash sites work.


  

cool. Never missed it but it's nice to have it. Thanx
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Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre SSH connection reset

2008-03-11 Thread Mark Shields
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mick wrote:
  On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:
  On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:51:42 +
 
  Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 10 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote:
  On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:43:55 -0400
 
  Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Comcast?
  I was on comcast for a long time (2.5 yrs) and never had a problem
  like this.  They might have blocked port 25 and squelched my
  bittorrenting at times, but never anything like this.  Of course,
  ymmv.
  IIRC they also block port 80 for sure on their retail accounts.  They
  don't want the average punter to run a webserver at home.
  Even when they blocked port 25 for me bidirectionally (evidently
  sending 6 gigs through that port made me look like a spammer, even if
  it was all to the same address ;) ), and I called security assurance
  and they listed that among all the open ports I wasn't allowed on a
  residential account, even then, they still didn't block port 80 (or 26,
  22, 21, 110, 993, or any other port!).
 
  Hmm, I don't know  . . . The particular address I was trying to connect
 was
  definitely blocked.  Other than not beeing able to connect with a
 browser,
  nc, httping and tcptraceroute confirmed it).  Could it be an
 area/account
  specific block perhaps?  When I questioned the owner he said that this
 was
  common practice and that his ISP does not allow webservers to run.

 When I was on Comcast, the only ports they blocked outright,
 that I found, were mail related.  Presumably this was a spam
 prevention measure more than anything else.

 However, they did *monitor* other common ports for traffic.
  Occasionally I'd put some local service or another on my
 firewall during development, or for testing, or whatnot.  If
 it happened to be on port 80, 443, or 21, I'd usually get a
 nasty-gram from then within a day reminding me of their AUP.

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topic.

Collin:  it may not be a 5-second rule.  It may just be cutting it off
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used.  But I'm just speculating.  Let's hear what fire-eyes has to say.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jamie Dobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu but
  find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the level of
  customization that I can do with it.

Well then, welcome back.

SNIP
  Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ advantage
  to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?

I run an amd64 as my desktop system. It' started as my 3rd machine so
at the time it was 64-bit for fun. today I just live with it. There
are some limitations on the 64-bit platform with web-based media, but
beyond that I find 32 and 64-bit machines to be pretty similar in
performance. I run old windows games under Wine on 64-bit and they
work OK. I think Flash and Java have been the two larger issues for me
over time. A few win32codec issues also. However if I wanted to get
around those I could probably do something in a chroot but I'm not
that motivated.

If I was building a desktop machine today I wouldn't build 64-bit. I
see no advantage and a few disadvantages, but either way you go you'll
probably be fine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 12:36:49 Jan Seeger wrote:
 On Tue, 11. Mar, Peter Humphrey spammed my inbox with
  It doesn't restart automatically here.

 That is strange. Have you, perchance, edited something in /etc/conf.d/rc
 regarding the hot-/coldplugging services?

Yes, that'll be it. I've switched them all off while I sorted out what's 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Naga
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 11:02:16 Dale wrote:
[...]
 I'm sticking with KDE 3 right now.  With this dial-up and the frequency
 of updates, it's just not worth it right now.  By the time I get it
 updated a new set of updates is coming out.

Guess I'm nuts since I run kde-svn... ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag, 11. März 2008, Jamie Dobbs wrote:

 However, I do have a few worries - why has there been no 2007.1 release
 (there was a 2006.1 from what I recall)?

security problems popping up always at the wrong time made it almost 
impossible. So they scrapped it and concentrated on doing the usual stuff. 
Writing ebuilds, fixing  bugs. Since install cds aren't very important, 
nothing was lost besides some news on distrowatch.


 There also appears to have been 
 a bit of turmoil in the Gentoo 'management;' - has this affected the
 long term viability of running Gentoo?

no.

 Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_ advantage
 to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?
 Just a few questions before I plunge in to it again :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Naga wrote:
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008 11:02:16 Dale wrote:
 [...]

  I'm sticking with KDE 3 right now.  With this dial-up and the
  frequency of updates, it's just not worth it right now.  By the
  time I get it updated a new set of updates is coming out.

 Guess I'm nuts since I run kde-svn... ;)

wellwhaddayaknow. There's at least one person in the world more nuts 
than me:

kde-4.0.2
e17-cvs

:-)



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[gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
Hi folks,

I emerged KDE 4.0.2 without composite in my xorg. Meanwhile I have 
found out how to enable composite (and 2D and 3D acceleration) with 
my graphics chipset.

Now I'd like to re-compile KDE with composite enabled. Anybody in the 
know *what* parts of KDE I have to re-emerge? (Wouldn't like to do 
the whole thing.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Gustavo Campos
Should be enough enable the use flag on your make.conf (xcomposite)
and emerge -uvaDN world. Portage will take care of re-compiling only
the packages whose USE flag has changed.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks,

  I emerged KDE 4.0.2 without composite in my xorg. Meanwhile I have
  found out how to enable composite (and 2D and 3D acceleration) with
  my graphics chipset.

  Now I'd like to re-compile KDE with composite enabled. Anybody in the
  know *what* parts of KDE I have to re-emerge? (Wouldn't like to do
  the whole thing.)

  Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I emerged KDE 4.0.2 without composite in my xorg. Meanwhile I have
 found out how to enable composite (and 2D and 3D acceleration) with
 my graphics chipset.

 Now I'd like to re-compile KDE with composite enabled. Anybody in the
 know *what* parts of KDE I have to re-emerge? (Wouldn't like to do
 the whole thing.)

set xcomposite in USE. It'll rebuild a couple of things:

nazgul ~ # equery hasuse xcomposite
[ Searching for USE flag xcomposite in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/kicker-3.5.9 (3.5)
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/kwin-3.5.9 (3.5)
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/kwin-4.0.1 (kde-4)
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/plasma-4.0.1 (kde-4)
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/krunner-4.0.1-r1 (kde-4)
[I--] [ ~] kde-base/libtaskmanager-4.0.1 (kde-4)

and 'emerge libXcomposite compositeproto'

I'd estimate about 20 minutes build time for that lot



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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Dale

Alan McKinnon wrote:


wellwhaddayaknow. There's at least one person in the world more nuts 
than me:


kde-4.0.2
e17-cvs

:-)
  


Make that two.  o_O 


Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread BRM
--- Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:39:39 +0100, KH wrote:
  only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working.
 Maybe 
  this is fixed by now.
 Install nspluginwrapper and the vast majority of flash sites work.

Yep, running AMD64 at home. For the most part, no problems. I've got
nspluginwrapper installed - and it was working at one point, but
doesn't seem to be any longer (not sure why). I did notice that Firefox
had problems with having tv.yahoo.com up AND another flash site
(youtube, google video, etc.) in different tabs or windows running
through the same instance; seems to work okay if you use profiles to
run multiple instances.

The only other issue I've run into is having a good port of Java for
the 64-bit environment - Sun's JDK builds to the 32-bit right now;
would be nice for it to support 64-bit too.

Overall, with my 1 GB RAM, AMD Athon AMD64 3200+ I really like running
it in the 64-bit mode. Things work pretty well, and I have no
complaints whatsoever - of course, it probably helps I have other
non-64-bit systems to mitigate any issues, like the Flash issue.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag, 11. März 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I emerged KDE 4.0.2 without composite in my xorg. Meanwhile I have
 found out how to enable composite (and 2D and 3D acceleration) with
 my graphics chipset.

 Now I'd like to re-compile KDE with composite enabled. Anybody in the
 know *what* parts of KDE I have to re-emerge? (Wouldn't like to do
 the whole thing.)

hm, there is no composite use-flag. Are you sure that you have to re-emerge 
anything?

But I would guess: kwin, kdeartwork and maybe that hideous 
kcontrol-replacement.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  Hi folks,
 
  I emerged KDE 4.0.2 without composite in my xorg. Meanwhile I
  have found out how to enable composite (and 2D and 3D
  acceleration) with my graphics chipset.
 
  Now I'd like to re-compile KDE with composite enabled. Anybody in
  the know *what* parts of KDE I have to re-emerge? (Wouldn't like
  to do the whole thing.)

 set xcomposite in USE. It'll rebuild a couple of things:

 nazgul ~ # equery hasuse xcomposite
 [ Searching for USE flag xcomposite in all categories among: ]
  * installed packages
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/kicker-3.5.9 (3.5)
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/kwin-3.5.9 (3.5)
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/kwin-4.0.1 (kde-4)
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/plasma-4.0.1 (kde-4)
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/krunner-4.0.1-r1 (kde-4)
 [I--] [ ~] kde-base/libtaskmanager-4.0.1 (kde-4)

Hm ... It will only re-emerge kdebase-3.5.9-r1 here. That doesn't seem 
right.

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Re: [gentoo-user] iwlwifi psk auth

2008-03-11 Thread Pongracz Istvan
Hi,

Finally the iwlwifi is working on my laptop, BIG FAT thanks to all of
you guys!

Based on Jan Seeger's config files I modified my config as shown below.

Here is my net config:

/etc/conf.d/net

 8 
# WIRELESS 

modules=(wpa_supplicant)
wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext 

#Network configuration
config_HomeLinux=( 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast
192.168.0.255 )

#
routes_HomeLinux=( default via 192.168.0.1 )

#
dns_servers_HomeLinux=( 192.168.0.1 )

#
gateways_HomeLinux=( 192.168.0.1 )
 8 

My wpa_supplicant config:

/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

 8 
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=wheel
update_config=0
fast_reauth=1
ap_scan=1


network={
ssid=HomeLinux
psk=XX
#key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP
group=TKIP
priority=5
}

 8 

Thank you again,
Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:47:51PM +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  set xcomposite in USE. It'll rebuild a couple of things:
 
 Hm ... It will only re-emerge kdebase-3.5.9-r1 here. That doesn't seem 
 right.

KDE is can be emerged in two ways ‒ monolitic (big packages) and split
(many small ones). This seems you have the monolitic one, so it will
reemerge only one big instead of few small ones.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:49 +0100
Michal 'vorner' Vaner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello
 
 On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:47:51PM +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
   set xcomposite in USE. It'll rebuild a couple of things:
  
  Hm ... It will only re-emerge kdebase-3.5.9-r1 here. That doesn't seem 
  right.
 
 KDE is can be emerged in two ways ‒ monolitic (big packages) and split
 (many small ones). This seems you have the monolitic one, so it will
 reemerge only one big instead of few small ones.
 
 -- 
 Please stay calm. There is no use both of us being hysterical.
 
 Michal 'vorner' Vaner
 
In other words, kdebase contains kwin and kicker within. You can't have
kwin installed if you have installed kdebase, and you can't have kdebase
installed if you used split ebuilds and (therefore) you have kwin and kicker
installed as separate packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  wellwhaddayaknow. There's at least one person in the world more
  nuts than me:
 
  kde-4.0.2
  e17-cvs
 
  :-)

 Make that two.  o_O


Bugger. Here's me thinking I was unique in the world.

I reckon that fellow who was hinting earlier that this thread should 
move to a -chat list is probably pulling his hair out by now 
harharhar :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 hm, there is no composite use-flag. Are you sure that you have to
 re-emerge anything?

the flag is xcomposite

 But I would guess: kwin, kdeartwork and maybe that hideous
 kcontrol-replacement.

/me looks around worriedly...
/me thinks I've missed something with kde-4...

Umm, what would the hideous app in question be?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

2008-03-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:08:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Bugger. Here's me thinking I was unique in the world.

You are, just like everyone else :)


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[gentoo-user] pcmcia/usb tv tuner

2008-03-11 Thread Pongracz Istvan
Hi,

Does anybody have a working pcmcia/usb tv tuner card for linux?

I plan to replace our old desktop pc with a laptop and I would like to
complete the TV function with the laptop.
So, it would be nice to find a working pcmcia tv tuner card.

I start to search it using google, but what if somebody already has a
card :)

Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] what is a normal rsync?

2008-03-11 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm behind a firewall that doesn't allow rsync connections, so
I did a emege-webrsync.  It appears to have downloaded and
installed a current snapshot and updated the portage cache:

  sent 9492088 bytes  received 762706 bytes  585988.23 bytes/sec
  total size is 152597091  speedup is 14.88
  cleaning up
  transferring metadata/cache
  
   Updating Portage cache:  100%
  
   *** Completed websync, please now perform a normal rsync if possible.
   Update is current as of the of MMDD: 20080310
   
I can't find any documentation that explains what a normal
rsync is or how somebody like me can perform one.

What is meant by perform a normal rsync?
   
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Re: [gentoo-user] pcmcia/usb tv tuner

2008-03-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:15:53 +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote:

 Does anybody have a working pcmcia/usb tv tuner card for linux?
 
 I plan to replace our old desktop pc with a laptop and I would like to
 complete the TV function with the laptop.
 So, it would be nice to find a working pcmcia tv tuner card.

I've not tried a PCMCIA one, but the Freecom USB DVB-T device works well.


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[gentoo-user] kopete and msn contacts

2008-03-11 Thread b.n.
Hi,

I switched from aMSN to Kopete to have a decent msn client that also
works with gtalk.

Unfortunately I found that kopete has some kind of bug with MSN
contacts. It's apparently impossible to *add* a new contact (if I try,
it says nothing just like it's working, but the contact is not added
-not in kopete, and not in other clients), and most importantly it does
not *delete* contacts. Worst of it all, if I delete contacts in another
client, say, aMSN, next time I launch Kopete:
- the contact reappear in the Kopete list
- if I then close Kopete and open aMSN, the contact I deleted *are
indeed added again* to my MSN account!

I would prefer to avoid Gaim/Pidgin if possible.

Any idea?

Thanks,
m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] pcmcia/usb tv tuner

2008-03-11 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Pongracz Istvan wrote:

 Does anybody have a working pcmcia/usb tv tuner card for linux?

You don't mention what kind of tuner you're looking for -
analogue/digital, cable/satellite/terrestrial.
Anyway, I just bought a Hauppauge WinTV Nova TD and I'm quite pleased
with it. It's a USB 2.0 stick suitable for DVB-T.
You might also want to take a look here:
http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware

Regards
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[gentoo-user] no dma on parallel port

2008-03-11 Thread luis jure

hello list, searching information that could help me solve the
problem of my old HP laserjet 1100 printing too slow, i found
something about dma and parallel port. 

i activated ECP on the bios, the address of the port is 378, irq 7
and dma 3. but dma is not activated when booting: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ dmesg | grep parp
Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 vga=773 ro parport=0x378,7,3
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7 [PCSPP(,...)]
lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/dma 
-1

i have the drivers compiled in the kernel, not as modules. i added this
line in menu.lst:

kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=773 ro parport=0x378,7,3

not sure about the syntax, i couldn't find anything in the grub
documentation about passing kernel parameters. anyway, i get no dma on
parport0.

i have an oldish soyo kt333 motherboard, and i tried this with
different recent kernels (2.6.23 and 24)

any help greatly appreciated.

best,

lj
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Re: [gentoo-user] what is a normal rsync?

2008-03-11 Thread Shawn Haggett

Grant Edwards wrote:

I'm behind a firewall that doesn't allow rsync connections, so
I did a emege-webrsync.  It appears to have downloaded and
installed a current snapshot and updated the portage cache:

  sent 9492088 bytes  received 762706 bytes  585988.23 bytes/sec
  total size is 152597091  speedup is 14.88
  cleaning up
  transferring metadata/cache
  
   Updating Portage cache:  100%
  
   *** Completed websync, please now perform a normal rsync if possible.

   Update is current as of the of MMDD: 20080310
   
I can't find any documentation that explains what a normal

rsync is or how somebody like me can perform one.

What is meant by perform a normal rsync?
   


I assume it would mean the normal emerge --sync if you can, which you 
can't. I would assume it would say this since the rsync would be more up 
to date then the webrsync snapshot


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[gentoo-user] Re: what is a normal rsync?

2008-03-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-03-12, Shawn Haggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Grant Edwards wrote:

 I'm behind a firewall that doesn't allow rsync connections, so
 I did a emege-webrsync.  It appears to have downloaded and
 installed a current snapshot and updated the portage cache:

*** Completed websync, please now perform a normal rsync if possible.
Update is current as of the of MMDD: 20080310

 What is meant by perform a normal rsync?

 I assume it would mean the normal emerge --sync if you can, which you 
 can't. I would assume it would say this since the rsync would be more up 
 to date then the webrsync snapshot

OK, but why would one have done a webrsync in the first place
unless doing an emerge --sync wasn't possible?

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[gentoo-user] what isn't required to boot a system/what can be trimmed from a backup

2008-03-11 Thread forgottenwizard
I'm messing around with doing backups via rsync to an external hard
drive, and I'm wanting to be able to strip out unneeded files from the
backup (these will be archived by, probably, dar or tar later on), and
was wondering if someone knew what I could strip out.

Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] what isn't required to boot a system/what can be trimmed from a backup

2008-03-11 Thread Logan McKenna
I just use mkstage4.sh which can be found on the forums. Works great for me

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:10 PM, forgottenwizard 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm messing around with doing backups via rsync to an external hard
 drive, and I'm wanting to be able to strip out unneeded files from the
 backup (these will be archived by, probably, dar or tar later on), and
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.2 and composite

2008-03-11 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote:
 Hello

 On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:47:51PM +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
   set xcomposite in USE. It'll rebuild a couple of things:
 
  Hm ... It will only re-emerge kdebase-3.5.9-r1 here. That doesn't
  seem right.

 KDE is can be emerged in two ways ‒ monolitic (big packages) and
 split (many small ones). This seems you have the monolitic one, so
 it will reemerge only one big instead of few small ones.

I have 3.5 as monolithic and 4.0 meta. What concerns me is that 
adding xcomposite will not re-emerge anything from 4.0 - and there 
is where I need/want it.

Uwe

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[gentoo-user] X server locks up if a 3D game is run

2008-03-11 Thread Kevin Stangl
Hello,
I recently bought a new portable with an Intel GMA X3100, which I
believe to be supported by the Intel driver. However, when I attempt to
run many 3D games (tested with Savage and doomsday-1.9.0_beta5), X
locks up and I am seemingly unable to switch VTs. According to its log,
however, it had killed itself. Direct rendering worked out-of-the-box,
however; glxgears functions normally with no lockups as well. In
Windows, both Savage and Doomsday function normally.

Since I didn't want to clutter this post, I put logs/configs on
pastebin.ca.

Xorg.0.log from the crash: http://pastebin.ca/939332
xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/939333
uname -r: 2.6.24.3
kernel .config: http://pastebin.ca/939334

Any help would be much appreciated.
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