Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:14:38PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote: Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped. It doesn't mater what device is used to send the email, it is the recipient that is affected by the readability of the mail. Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. What? There's no down arrow on a BlackBerry? I don't have one of those devices, and fully intend to never have one, so if there's a stupid implementation of the reply function, I'd never know it. But just asking, that's all. Yes, there's down arrow on blackberry, the problem is in the blackberry email client. It quotes the whole text as a block under the answer, and does not give you the possibility to browse. I never used outlook, so I don't know if this is what other people called here outlook behavior, btw it is pretty annoyng. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpvvqUuQ5c41.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
on 03/26/2009 02:22 AM Jerry McBride wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 05:51:30 pm Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) I feel sorry for the animal... but I have to have my penguin back... I changed it myself... Yea...same thought cross my mind, but I think I might give Tux some vacation he may need ... :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html Yes they're easy. My question is about whether they have any effect on use of Symbol So far I see no evidence of it. Okay, now I realize Symbol is the name of a specific font. I hadn't really picked up on that before :) After a bit of Googling, it seems the accepted solution is to use HTML entities for those symbols and not try to use the raw characters as you are attempting to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references Does that contain all of the symbols you need? If there are any others, you should be able to use the unicode versions. Sigh. My stuff is not for a mass audience. I can expect them to install a font, and I'd really not like to be fooling with entities that much -- composition is laborious. It's really annoying to me to have a font on my own system that is inacessable through browser features that were apparently designed to allow just that. And Unicode is a complete mystery to me. I see stuff come in and display as it should, but as an author it's just something I've never used. How do you compose such stuff on a standard US-English keyboard and system? I'll do what I have to do, but only when I'm convinced it's the best alternative. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] layman: could not connect to server
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 09:49:20PM +0100, Penguin Lover Nicolai Beuermann squawked: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk': could not connect to server (http://overlays.gentoo.org) But pointing firefox to http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk lists the directory. Same problem arose by syncing the sabayon overlay. Courageously removing this overlay with layman -d sabayon now I'm unable to add it again! Same error as mentioned before. Paradoxically syncing works with pro-audio overlay. from layman -L, proaudio overlay talks to svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/pr.. whereas the other two talks to http:// So my guess is to rebuild neon? Almost looks like a revdep-rebuild issue to me. W -- All my friends tell me peer pressure is cool. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 839 days, 6:36
[gentoo-user] ebuild syntax question
Hi,
the sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild contains
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
doc? ( app-text/texi2html virtual/texi2dvi )
python? ( dev-lang/swig[python] )
octave? ( dev-lang/swig[octave] )
What does dev-lang/swig[python] mean?
Since dev-lang/swig/swig-1.3.39 does not
use the useflags 'python', etc, anymore,
emerging sci-libs/mathgl tries to downgrade to
swig-1.3.36 which gives conflict elsewhere.
Do I really need to mask swig-1.3.36 or
is sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild too old?
Many thanks for a hint.
(Should I generate a bug report?)
Helmut.
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Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
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D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild syntax question
On Thursday 26 March 2009 11:14:38 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
the sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild contains
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
doc? ( app-text/texi2html virtual/texi2dvi )
python? ( dev-lang/swig[python] )
octave? ( dev-lang/swig[octave] )
What does dev-lang/swig[python] mean?
Since dev-lang/swig/swig-1.3.39 does not
use the useflags 'python', etc, anymore,
emerging sci-libs/mathgl tries to downgrade to
swig-1.3.36 which gives conflict elsewhere.
Do I really need to mask swig-1.3.36 or
is sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild too old?
Many thanks for a hint.
(Should I generate a bug report?)
Yes, this is a bug and should be reported.
if you need it installed right now, copy the ebuild to your overlay, edit out
the wrong USE flag specifiers in DEPEND, digest the ebuild and install. Or you
could walk for the devs to fix it and resync
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild syntax question
2009/3/26 Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de:
Hi,
the sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild contains
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
doc? ( app-text/texi2html virtual/texi2dvi )
python? ( dev-lang/swig[python] )
octave? ( dev-lang/swig[octave] )
What does dev-lang/swig[python] mean?
Since dev-lang/swig/swig-1.3.39 does not
use the useflags 'python', etc, anymore,
emerging sci-libs/mathgl tries to downgrade to
swig-1.3.36 which gives conflict elsewhere.
Do I really need to mask swig-1.3.36 or
is sci-libs/mathgl-1.8-r1.ebuild too old?
Many thanks for a hint.
(Should I generate a bug report?)
IMHO this is one drawdack of EAPI 2 use dependencies. The ebuilds
needs a package with a particular use flag but some versions of said
package do not use this flag and portage gets in trouble. So this is
clearly a bug.
I am not sure but a fix would be something like this:
python? || ( =dev-lang/swig-1.3.39 dev-lang/swig-1.3.39[python] )
--
Regards,
Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:32:49 +0100, Tom wrote: So, any ideas how to do something like this? Maybe something ready made, or a convenient script. Smart Boot Manager - http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ -- Neil Bothwick Planet 98% full! Delete Windows users? (Y/y) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
Why wast your time with floppies? Boot from a USB stick that has plenty of storage on it for kernels and drivers. Bios doesn't support it :( Tom
[gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I find the fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/) seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. How can I find out what font is being used and maybe substitute it with CSS? TIA -- -- Robin Atwood. Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst, Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst from Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling --
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 02:32 +0100, Tom wrote: Hi I had a very un-nice evening, trying to get my system back into a usable state, which I eventually managed, but that is another story. It made me realise I need a way to be able to use my cdrom drive to boot cds. Let me explain before you say 'huuhh!?' I bought a new dvdwriter a couple of weeks ago, and ever since I am no longer able to boot from cd (using that drive, its SATA). It seems its a bios bug or something, I even contacted the vendor (ASRock) and they sent me an updated flash image, which I was sofar unable to install, for some strange obscure reason.(I generally do know how to flash bioses, and strangely the 'official' bios images from their site work, just not the one support sent me, they are now offering to send me a pre-burnt bios chip, but I'm slighly reluctant to go that road...) So now I'm basically thinking to myself, ok, I have a floppy drive, so what I need is a floppy disk, with a small kernel and my sata-chipset driver and some mechanism for then booting of a (bootable)cd lying ready in my drive. So, any ideas how to do something like this? Maybe something ready made, or a convenient script. Everything I found regarding this, was using 2.3 kernels and were generally out of date :( Tom Smart Boot Manager (http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/)
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
Why wast your time with floppies? Boot from a USB stick that has plenty of storage on it for kernels and drivers. Bios doesn't support it :( So was this machine manufactured 10 years ago or are you *that* good in choosing crappy hardware? I regular y excel in choosing crappy hardware :-; However, the board does date back to 2004, don't know when it was first released though. The bord/bios is actually supposed to boot off sata, just for that to work I need to set the controller to non-raid mode in the bios. Doing that upsets my WinXP install, which is also a non-option. So basically I'm stuck with the 'via floppy' method, which is nice, reminds me of the 'good old times' ;) Tom
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
090326 Robin Atwood wrote: Recently http://freshmeat.net/ updated its look and now the fonts are very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. http://www.linuxjournal.com/ seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. I don't encounter a problem with Konqueror -- I didn't check Firefox, but it sb the same -- set to use New Century Schoolbook for all variable fonts Luxi Mono for all fixed-width fonts: that's a quick fix you might try. How can I find out what font is being used and mb substitute it with CSS? I leave that to others ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: aliases
on 03/23/2009 05:18 AM Dale wrote the following: I'm not real familiar with aliases but know what it is. If you use the alias method, how would you disable it for a one time run? Dale You can also use the unalias command, eg: $ alias ls='ls -la' $ unalias ls (then it stays unaliased for the session until you alias it again, source .bashrc, etc...). HTH :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
Robin Atwood schrieb:
Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I find
the
fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with
anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/) seems to have the
same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the
appearance is the same. How can I find out what font is being used and maybe
substitute it with CSS?
TIA
I have the same problem here. Tried Firefox, Epiphany and Konqueror-3.x.
Their CSS-file contains this line:
body {margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 100%; line-height: 21px; min-width: 960px; background:
#184860; color: #000}
Doesn't look suspicious to me.
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Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
Mike Kazantsev a écrit : On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:33:58 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: But your real problem is a stupid original disk layout. Why don;t you decide to fix that instead of getting into cute tricks with symlinks? Because I let my server host install it with their default disk layout. When I realise it looks pretty un-servish I had already installed http server with client website on it. The simplest for me was to move folders because I did not find any 'how to' that say it would be simple de repartition with keeping your data on. It should be pretty easy to rsync /home to some other (temporary) place, 'pvcreate /dev/home-whatever' and lvcreate, say, a separate vol for portage (with it's ever-growing tree/distfiles) and for /home, leaving plenty of space to play with, should you need it either on these partitions or to create others. Well, LVM is just what I mean ;) LVM...hm nice new word to me. And rsync too, looks good. Ok I will have a look when I'm safer. Got that emerge -v world to finish ;) I read about a tool to color the etc-update difference, can't find it again, if you know about it ;) thx Laurent.
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: After a bit of Googling, it seems the accepted solution is to use HTML entities for those symbols and not try to use the raw characters as you are attempting to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references Does that contain all of the symbols you need? If there are any others, you should be able to use the unicode versions. Sigh. My stuff is not for a mass audience. I can expect them to install a font, and I'd really not like to be fooling with entities that much -- composition is laborious. It's really annoying to me to have a font on my own system that is inacessable through browser features that were apparently designed to allow just that. I just tested it locally (on a Windows XP machine). Using this HTML syntax: span style=font-family:SymbolThe quick brown fox/span It shows up the way you want when using Internet Explorer, Chrome and Konqueror, but not in Firefox, Opera, Safari or Seamonkey. Based on everything I can find on Google, it seems like using a font in the way you'd like just doesn't work most of the time. From what I understand, it is because the web long ago moved to Unicode; the browser is smart enough to know that you don't /really/ want to use the Symbol font (even though you tell it you want to use it). In other words, the Symbol font knows what those glyphs actually represent, and the browser is doing the right thing by showing the latin text the quick brown fox rather than turning it into Symbols that do not represent the letters in the quick brown fox. And Unicode is a complete mystery to me. I see stuff come in and display as it should, but as an author it's just something I've never used. How do you compose such stuff on a standard US-English keyboard and system? What editor do you use? What format is your main document? I'm assuming HTML is not the primary format. You could also perhaps export to PDF instead of HTML. Typically your editor would be Unicode compliant and would either allow you to insert characters via some kind of character map application, or use some kind of a keyboard shortcut to type the unicode number of the glyph you're trying to insert. For example, in Microsoft Word you can type the 4 digit unicode hex ID and then press Alt-X and it'll replace it with the actual Unicode character. To bring it back around to the topic of Gentoo, I think if you are using a 2007.0 profile or newer then Unicode support is enabled by default. As far as using Unicode in HTML, it's not much different from using the named entities -- you can use numbered unicode entities as well. For example: #xAFE2; (no space between the ampersand and the # -- i put it there in case your e-mail client tried to interpret it). However, if you are using a unicode encoding then you won't need to use the entities, you can just have the raw Unicode characters in your file. The following website has all(?) of the Unicode glyphs and their HTML equivalents, as well as showing you how they render in your web browser: http://theorem.ca/~mvcorks/code/charsets/auto.html I'll do what I have to do, but only when I'm convinced it's the best alternative. Good luck :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
On Thursday 26 Mar 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 090326 Robin Atwood wrote: Recently http://freshmeat.net/ updated its look and now the fonts are very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. http://www.linuxjournal.com/ seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. I don't encounter a problem with Konqueror -- I didn't check Firefox, but it sb the same -- set to use New Century Schoolbook for all variable fonts Luxi Mono for all fixed-width fonts: that's a quick fix you might try. I use DejaVu for all my fonts which usually makes most pages look very elegant but I don't think it makes a difference if the font is specified by the site. -Robin -- -- Robin Atwood. Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst, Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst from Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling --
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some web sites
On Thursday 26 Mar 2009, Florian Philipp wrote:
Robin Atwood schrieb:
Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I
find the fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being
rendered with anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/)
seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use
Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. How can I find out what
font is being used and maybe substitute it with CSS?
I have the same problem here. Tried Firefox, Epiphany and Konqueror-3.x.
Their CSS-file contains this line:
body {margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 100%; line-height: 21px; min-width: 960px; background:
#184860; color: #000}
Doesn't look suspicious to me.
Helvetica is not a truetype font and if it is being used looks ugly.
HTH
-Robin
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--
Robin Atwood.
Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst
from Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling
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Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? Here's my link on the subject: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-logo.html --Joshua Doll
[gentoo-user] Re: Ugly fonts on some seb sites
Robin Atwood wrote: Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I find the fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/) seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. How can I find out what font is being used and maybe substitute it with CSS? Hello. I had the same problem with many sites using Helvetica, Times and Lucida since they're bitmap fonts and look extremely ugly when the size doesn't match (magnifying bitmaps just results in big pixels). The solution is to substitute them with another font (I use DejaVu, Sans or Serif, according to whether the original has serifs or not). Put this in /etc/fonts/local.conf: !-- Replace Helvetica with DejaVu Sans -- match target=pattern name=family test name=family qual=anystringHelvetica/string/test edit name=family mode=assign stringDejaVu Sans/string /edit /match !-- Replace Lucida with DejaVu Sans -- match target=pattern name=family test name=family qual=anystringLucida/string/test edit name=family mode=assign stringDejaVu Sans/string /edit /match !-- Replace Times with DejaVu Serif -- match target=pattern name=family test name=family qual=anystringTimes/string/test edit name=family mode=assign stringDejaVu Serif/string /edit /match Also, it helps to enable the cleartype USE flab of cairo (for Firefox, Thunderbird, and other Gtk apps; vastly better fonts here with that USE flag; it's a nice patch from Arch Linux and fortunately someone added it to Portage).
[gentoo-user] Re: Ugly fonts on some seb sites
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] Put this in /etc/fonts/local.conf: [...] I forgot to mention that is that file is empty or does not exist, create it and put this at the beginning: ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd !-- /etc/fonts/local.conf file to configure system font access -- fontconfig And this at the end (after the entries I posted in my previous message): /fontconfig
[gentoo-user] compiz and mesa
compiz wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb] (even 0.8.2), and mesa 7.4_rc1 wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb=] (it's for current ~amd64). Does [xcb=] means without the flag? Tree bug?
[gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), are there issues I should be aware of? Do I have to mask newer glibc-versions, newer kernel headers or some use flags? What about the nptl use flag? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] color etc-update
Hi, What should I emerge to have my etc-update colored for differencies ? this is dead: http://no.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_etc-update thanks Laurent
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
On Thursday 26 March 2009 19:47:05 Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), Wow. That kernel is what 4? 5? years old are there issues I should be aware of? Plenty. First off, udev is unlikely to work for a start, so you will either need to remember how we did it way bask in '05, or use a static /dev I'm sure there are many more, I just can;t think of the details about the other points you raised. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: compiz and mesa
Andrew Gaydenko wrote: compiz wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb] (even 0.8.2), and mesa 7.4_rc1 wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb=] (it's for current ~amd64). Does [xcb=] means without the flag? Tree bug? I don't know why it shows like this with you, but here it told me that that I had to remove the xcb USE flag from mesa. Instead of that, I simply globally enabled xcb in make.conf and disabled it only for cairo (the ebuild told me it's not a good idea to use xcb with cairo). So to make it short, put xcb in your USE flags in make.conf, and put: x11-libs/cairo -xcb in /etc/portage/package.use. Then emerge -auvDN world and you should be set.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: compiz and mesa
On Thursday 26 March 2009 20:54:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Andrew Gaydenko wrote: compiz wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb] (even 0.8.2), and mesa 7.4_rc1 wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb=] (it's for current ~amd64). Does [xcb=] means without the flag? Tree bug? I don't know why it shows like this with you, but here it told me that that I had to remove the xcb USE flag from mesa. Instead of that, I simply globally enabled xcb in make.conf and disabled it only for cairo (the ebuild told me it's not a good idea to use xcb with cairo). So to make it short, put xcb in your USE flags in make.conf, and put: x11-libs/cairo -xcb in /etc/portage/package.use. Then emerge -auvDN world and you should be set. Aha, this way works. Thanks for your help, Nikos!
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
laurent wrote: Hi, What should I emerge to have my etc-update colored for differencies ? this is dead: http://no.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_etc-update thanks Laurent edit /etc/etc-update.conf and exchange line 32 diff -- colordiff. and emerge colordiff. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:53:47 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: What should I emerge to have my etc-update colored for differencies ? emerge app-misc/colordiff \ sed -i 's|diff_command=diff -uN %file1 %file2|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 18:47 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), are there issues I should be aware of? Do I have to mask newer glibc-versions, newer kernel headers or some use flags? What about the nptl use flag? The oldest supported (gentoo-sources) kernel in the portage tree is 2.6.16. So there is the likelihood that anything that touches the kernel or kernel headers (c library, device drivers, encryption libraries, filesystems, device-mapper, udev/hotplug scripts) may have compatibility issues. OTOH if pull in a really old revision of the portage tree that has 2.6.9 and you never upgrade the tree then you should be fine ;-) -a
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:07:06 +0500 Mike Kazantsev mike_kazant...@fraggod.net wrote: sed -i 's|diff_command=diff -uN %file1 %file2|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf sed -i 's|diff_command=diff|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf Oops, my bad :) -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] compiz and mesa
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 20:31 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: compiz wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb] (even 0.8.2), and mesa 7.4_rc1 wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb=] (it's for current ~amd64). Does [xcb=] means without the flag? Tree bug? From the Gentoo Development guide: There are also shortcuts for conditional situations: Compact form Equivalent expanded form app-misc/foo[bar?] bar? ( app-misc/foo[bar] ) !bar? ( app-misc/foo ) app-misc/foo[!bar?] bar? (app-misc/foo ) !bar? ( app-misc/foo[-bar] ) app-misc/foo[bar=] bar? ( app-misc/foo[bar] ) !bar? ( app-misc/foo[-bar] ) app-misc/foo[!bar=] bar? ( app-misc/foo[-bar] ) !bar? ( app-misc/foo[bar] )
Re: [gentoo-user] compiz and mesa
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 14:18 -0400, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 20:31 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: compiz wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb] (even 0.8.2), and mesa 7.4_rc1 wants x11-libs/libX11[xcb=] (it's for current ~amd64). Does [xcb=] means without the flag? Tree bug? From the Gentoo Development guide: There are also shortcuts for conditional situations: ... Wow, that pasted fugly. See http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/dependencies/index.html
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
Mike Kazantsev a écrit : On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:07:06 +0500 Mike Kazantsev mike_kazant...@fraggod.net wrote: sed -i 's|diff_command=diff -uN %file1 %file2|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf sed -i 's|diff_command=diff|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf Oops, my bad :) Sweet :) L
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:36:41 +0100, laurent wrote: I read about a tool to color the etc-update difference, can't find it again, if you know about it ;) colordiff, it's in portage. -- Neil Bothwick 0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:22:37 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: sed -i 's|diff_command=diff|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf Oops, my bad :) Sweet :) L Never trust one-liner fix I bet it'd be written all over the ashes of post-apocalyptic world as well ;) -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Ugly fonts on some seb sites
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Robin Atwood robin.atw...@attglobal.net wrote: Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I find the fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/) seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. How can I find out what font is being used and maybe substitute it with CSS? Since you mention Konqueror I will assume you're using KDE. In the KDE control panel there is a GTK Themes Fonts section, and it has an option to use your KDE fonts in GTK programs. Try that if you haven't already.
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Thursday 26 March 2009 19:47:05 Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), Wow. That kernel is what 4? 5? years old Yep, I was surprised myself. It is a virtual machine (formerly SuSE). Therefore I have no influence on the kernel. I'm wondering whether I'm even safe when running such an antique system. are there issues I should be aware of? Plenty. First off, udev is unlikely to work for a start, so you will either need to remember how we did it way bask in '05, or use a static /dev Hmm, maybe this is no issue in a v-server. God knows what happens in the background. (Okay, okay, SOURCE knows what happens, too, but I'm unwilling to read it ;) ) I'm sure there are many more, I just can;t think of the details about the other points you raised. Well, I'll just try. In the worst case I'll ask whether I can pay for a kernel update or a transfer to another host system. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
Albert Hopkins schrieb: On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 18:47 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), are there issues I should be aware of? OTOH if pull in a really old revision of the portage tree that has 2.6.9 and you never upgrade the tree then you should be fine ;-) I don't think doing no updates whatsoever is a reasonable option for a web server ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] color etc-update
Mike Kazantsev a écrit : On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:22:37 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: sed -i 's|diff_command=diff|diff_command=colordiff|' /etc/etc-update.conf Oops, my bad :) Sweet :) L Never trust one-liner fix I bet it'd be written all over the ashes of post-apocalyptic world as well ;) I took the risk to think I did understand that one-line fixer. The world still stands. I promess I won't do it again :) I love etc-update now.
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
On Thursday 26 March 2009 20:41:38 Florian Philipp wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Thursday 26 March 2009 19:47:05 Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), Wow. That kernel is what 4? 5? years old Yep, I was surprised myself. It is a virtual machine (formerly SuSE). Therefore I have no influence on the kernel. I'm wondering whether I'm even safe when running such an antique system. What kind of vm? Considering the vintage, I'd guess an early vmware The 2.6.9 machine - is that the host or guest? About a year ago a company I worked for was consulted to maintain a hospital admin system running on SLES of about that era in a VM. We told them to upgrade or find somebody else. They went off on their merry way to find somebody else... -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ugly fonts on some seb sites
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Robin Atwood wrote: Recently freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/) updated its look and now I find the fonts very hard to read. It seems like they are not being rendered with anti-aliasing. Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/) seems to have the same problem. It makes no difference whether I use Firefox or Konqueror, the appearance is the same. How can I find out what font is being used and maybe substitute it with CSS? The solution is to substitute them with another font (I use DejaVu, Sans or Serif, according to whether the original has serifs or not). Put this in /etc/fonts/local.conf: (snip) Also, it helps to enable the cleartype USE flab of cairo (for Firefox, Thunderbird, and other Gtk apps; vastly better fonts here with that USE flag; it's a nice patch from Arch Linux and fortunately someone added it to Portage). Thanks for the great tips. I don't know if it was the cleartype USE flag or the local.conf, but after doing both of these my web fonts look a lot better in Firefox and Seamonkey.
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Thursday 26 March 2009 20:41:38 Florian Philipp wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Thursday 26 March 2009 19:47:05 Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! A quick question: If i install Gentoo on a system with a kernel version 2.6.9 (don't ask ...), Wow. That kernel is what 4? 5? years old Yep, I was surprised myself. It is a virtual machine (formerly SuSE). Therefore I have no influence on the kernel. I'm wondering whether I'm even safe when running such an antique system. What kind of vm? Considering the vintage, I'd guess an early vmware The 2.6.9 machine - is that the host or guest? It's OpenVZ, therefore guest and host share one kernel. About a year ago a company I worked for was consulted to maintain a hospital admin system running on SLES of about that era in a VM. We told them to upgrade or find somebody else. They went off on their merry way to find somebody else... I'll ask them as soon as I know more about how Gentoo works on this. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] flash ncaa.com bball
Hello, So the mens college basketball games are streamed over the net. On my newly upgraded kde 4.2.1, neither seamonkey nor mozilla-firefox nor konqueror can play these files. the website (ncaa.com) just tells me to download flash-8 to play highlights of previous games. Is this safe? Is there a gentoo way to get flash-8 working with any of these aforementioned web browsers? It seems like I had flash working some time ago, but, I'm not sure what happened. It's an amd64 system. Any suggestions are welcome. James
Re: [gentoo-user] flash ncaa.com bball
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello, So the mens college basketball games are streamed over the net. On my newly upgraded kde 4.2.1, neither seamonkey nor mozilla-firefox nor konqueror can play these files. the website (ncaa.com) just tells me to download flash-8 to play highlights of previous games. Is this safe? Is there a gentoo way to get flash-8 working with any of these aforementioned web browsers? It seems like I had flash working some time ago, but, I'm not sure what happened. It's an amd64 system. You have to be aware of the 32-bit vs 64-bit versions of your browsers and the flash plug-in. If you are using the 32-bit flash in a 64-bit browser, you need nspluginwrapper. If you're using the 64-bit flash in a 64-bit browser or 32-bit flash in 32-bit browser, you don't. If you're using the 64-bit flash and a 32-bit browser, you're out of luck.
Re: [gentoo-user] flash ncaa.com bball
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello, So the mens college basketball games are streamed over the net. On my newly upgraded kde 4.2.1, neither seamonkey nor mozilla-firefox nor konqueror can play these files. the website (ncaa.com) just tells me to download flash-8 to play highlights of previous games. Actually, I just went to the site and it says: Standard Video Player Platform Requirements * Microsoft Windows XP/Vista * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 or above * Microsoft Windows Media Player 9 or above High Quality Video Player Platform Requirements * Microsoft Silverlight 2 (Click here to view system requirements) So it doesn't appear the games are in Flash... unless you /only/ want to see the highlights. The highlight remixer worked fine for me (64-bit seamonkey + 64-bit flash plugin).
Re: [gentoo-user] Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
On Thursday 26 March 2009 21:30:57 Florian Philipp wrote: About a year ago a company I worked for was consulted to maintain a hospital admin system running on SLES of about that era in a VM. We told them to upgrade or find somebody else. They went off on their merry way to find somebody else... I'll ask them as soon as I know more about how Gentoo works on this. You mentioned elsewhere in the thread web server If that's the case, I'd be telling the hosting provider that 2004 called and they want their minutes back. Then I'd be looking for a different hosting provider. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 26 March 2009 21:30:57 Florian Philipp wrote: About a year ago a company I worked for was consulted to maintain a hospital admin system running on SLES of about that era in a VM. We told them to upgrade or find somebody else. They went off on their merry way to find somebody else... I'll ask them as soon as I know more about how Gentoo works on this. You mentioned elsewhere in the thread web server If that's the case, I'd be telling the hosting provider that 2004 called and they want their minutes back. Then I'd be looking for a different hosting provider. If indeed they're running off 2004 software, I would be interested to know how many times people are defacing (or worse) sites hosted there :P
[gentoo-user] Re: flash ncaa.com bball
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Actually, I just went to the site and it says: I do not see where you found that? Try this site: http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/basketball/men/ So it doesn't appear the games are in Flash... unless you /only/ want to see the highlights. The highlight remixer worked fine for me (64-bit seamonkey + 64-bit flash plugin). The website tells me You need the flash 8 plugin (or higher) to view this content click here to download the latest version of the flash plugin It's free I get that on Konqueror, Firefox and Seamonkey. step to install whatever I need for any of these browsers, the gentoo way, would be keen. running 100% 64bit gentoo on amd64 newly installed kde 4.2.1 (if that matters fi) thx, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compatibility with Kernel 2.6.9
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:19:13 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: You mentioned elsewhere in the thread web server If that's the case, I'd be telling the hosting provider that 2004 called and they want their minutes back. Then I'd be looking for a different hosting provider. If indeed they're running off 2004 software, I would be interested to know how many times people are defacing (or worse) sites hosted there :P If the server itself is http-backend (with ssh forwarded, too), located in dmz, what's the big deal? You can have latest and fairly secure apache/lighttpd/nginx/whatever out there, and, provided there are no holes in your scripts, the setup should be fairly secure. And that's probably most used line-of-defence on any web, since there's nothing more important for webserver than scripts - if you have www, you pretty much have it all. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flash ncaa.com bball
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I do not see where you found that? I went to ncaa.com and clicked the watch games live link on the main page. I get that on Konqueror, Firefox and Seamonkey. Emerge net-www/netscape-flash version 10.0.22.87 and set the -32bit USE flag (to disable 32-bit flash plugin). You may need to unmask that version. Make sure to unmerge nspluginwrapper if you've got it installed. That should make flash work in firefox and seamonkey and probably konqueror as well.
Re: [gentoo-user] layman: could not connect to server
Willie Wong wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 09:49:20PM +0100, Penguin Lover Nicolai Beuermann squawked: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk': could not connect to server (http://overlays.gentoo.org) But pointing firefox to http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk lists the directory. Same problem arose by syncing the sabayon overlay. Courageously removing this overlay with layman -d sabayon now I'm unable to add it again! Same error as mentioned before. Paradoxically syncing works with pro-audio overlay. from layman -L, proaudio overlay talks to svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/pr.. whereas the other two talks to http:// So my guess is to rebuild neon? Almost looks like a revdep-rebuild issue to me. W thanks for your answer: Here is what I did: 1) emerge -1 neon - revdep-rebuild (everything was consistent): layman -f -a sabayon failed, layman -s vmware failed too 2) USE=expat emerge -1 neon; emerge -1 subversion; Just to be shure I did revdep-rebuild again - system consistent. layman failed again. emerge --info Portage 2.1.6.10 (default/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.9_p20081201-r2, 2.6.23-sabayon-r1-04.03.2009-01 x86_64) = System uname: Linux-2.6.23-sabayon-r1-04.03.2009-01-x86_64-Intel-R-_Xeon-R- _cpu_51...@_2.00ghz-with-glibc2.2.5 Timestamp of tree: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:45:01 + ccache version 2.4 [disabled] app-shells/bash: 4.0_p10-r1 dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7-r1, 2.1.7 dev-lang/python: 2.5.4-r2 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6 dev-util/ccache: 2.4-r8 dev-util/cmake: 2.6.3 sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.0 sys-apps/openrc: 0.4.3-r2 sys-apps/sandbox:1.6 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.63 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.19.1-r1 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1 sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.6a virtual/os-headers: 2.6.28-r1 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 ~amd64 CBUILD=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=nocona -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -pipe CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/php/apache2- php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cli-php5/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/udev/rules.d CXXFLAGS=-march=nocona -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -pipe DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=distlocks fixpackages
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ugly fonts on some seb sites
On Friday 27 Mar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] Put this in /etc/fonts/local.conf: [...] I forgot to mention that is that file is empty or does not exist, create it and put this at the beginning: ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd !-- /etc/fonts/local.conf file to configure system font access -- fontconfig And this at the end (after the entries I posted in my previous message): /fontconfig Thanks for the excellent info. Rebuilding cairo certainly improves the look with Firefox but the /etc/fonts/local.conf seems to have no effect on Konqueror. -Robin -- -- Robin Atwood. Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst, Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst from Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling --
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
On Thursday 26 March 2009, Tom wrote: It seems its a bios bug or something, I even contacted the vendor (ASRock) and they sent me an updated flash image, which I was sofar unable to install, for some strange obscure reason. Mentioning the obvious just in case ... have you run a checksum on it? Perhaps they should email it again to you? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:50:46 +0200 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
[gentoo-user] new symbols in portage
Hi group, Since updating portage I notice the following whenever I run emerge: ... Portage tree and overlays: [0] /usr/portage [?] indicates that the source repository could not be determined ... But what does [?=0] mean which sometimes appears? Maxim __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
Re: [gentoo-user] new symbols in portage
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler bliss...@yahoo.com wrote: But what does [?=0] mean which sometimes appears? Just the fact that ebuild, used to build given package, no longer exists. Could be something you've hacked (or just changed a bit and redigested) in haste right in portage tree, removed by subsequent rsync, or advanced ebuild from an overlay you've long removed, that just got bumped in the main tree. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300, Jorge Morais wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? Because if no one runs the testing packages, they don't get tested. -- Neil Bothwick The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. * Bohr signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new symbols in portage
On Friday 27 March 2009 00:13:07 maxim wexler wrote: Hi group, Since updating portage I notice the following whenever I run emerge: ... Portage tree and overlays: [0] /usr/portage [?] indicates that the source repository could not be determined ... But what does [?=0] mean which sometimes appears? It's an overlay move. Normally you will see something like [1=0] meaning the ebuild was installed from the overlay tagged as [1] at the end and will be updated with a more recent ebuild from the overlay tagged [0] at the end. [0] will always be the portage tree in practice. [?] means portage doesn't know which overlay the installed ebuild came from - usually because you deleted it from layman -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] new symbols in portage
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT), maxim wexler wrote: [0] /usr/portage [?] indicates that the source repository could not be determined ... But what does [?=0] mean which sometimes appears? It means you are going from an ebuild of indeterminate source to one from the portage tree. -- Neil Bothwick A closed mouth gathers no foot. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? The question is probably not adressed to me, but... It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) And while it's ~arch on gentoo, it's actually marked 'stable' by developers, and, since gentoo ebuild does pretty much nothing but unpacking it, it should be pretty much as stable as any non-~arch package. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:36:41 +0500 Mike Kazantsev mike_kazant...@fraggod.net wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? The question is probably not adressed to me, but... It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) It's a kernel. And while it's ~arch on gentoo, it's actually marked 'stable' by developers, and, since gentoo ebuild does pretty much nothing but unpacking it, it should be pretty much as stable as any non-~arch package. Even if it already released, it has a higher chance of bugs than a more established kernel. Waiting for the package to become stable on Gentoo is not just about ebuild bugs; it is also about waiting for enough users in general to test the upstream package, and Gentoo users in particular to test the package within Gentoo. And I don't know about the usual quality of brand new Linux releases, but in general, I believe upstream developers want to release early (to get testers and updated contributions), while a distribution may wait until the software is ready and tested. Of course, if you want to actively help, that is a reason to test the latest software... but I am afraid that a kernel bug could lead to unpredictable behavior, data loss and other problems I can't tolerate. Also, I think a kernel has a higher chance of hidden bugs (bugs that don't stand in your face). I think that if you want to contribute as a tester it is easier to test a beta version of mplayer or Firefox (backup your bookmarks!), for example, where bugs are more visible and likely less harmful. Cheers, Jorge -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
Mentioning the obvious just in case ... have you run a checksum on it? Perhaps they should email it again to you? No, I just sent them my request. If that was the problem, I'm going to cry, and pull my hair out ;-) Thanks...hoping... Tom
[gentoo-user] Block emerge world package
Hi, Emerge world want to emerge dev-lang/neko 1.7.1-r1 I already have 1.8 running. How can I tell emerge not to install that package? Laurent It's a beautifull news to see dev-lang/neko!! :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Block emerge world package
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 03:37 +0100, laurent wrote: Hi, Emerge world want to emerge dev-lang/neko 1.7.1-r1 I already have 1.8 running. How can I tell emerge not to install that package? Laurent It's a beautifull news to see dev-lang/neko!! :) Hard for me to say since I don't have a dev-lang/neko in my portage tree. Is this part of an overlay? You did not specify that it was.
Re: [gentoo-user] Block emerge world package
Albert Hopkins a écrit : On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 03:37 +0100, laurent wrote: Hi, Emerge world want to emerge dev-lang/neko 1.7.1-r1 I already have 1.8 running. How can I tell emerge not to install that package? Laurent It's a beautifull news to see dev-lang/neko!! :) Hard for me to say since I don't have a dev-lang/neko in my portage tree. Is this part of an overlay? You did not specify that it was. I though it was a layman overlay, but listing them with layman -L does not show them. Is there a general way to desable packages or find if they are part of an overlay ?
Re: [gentoo-user] layman: could not connect to server
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:04:22PM +0100, Penguin Lover Nicolai Beuermann squawked: thanks for your answer: Here is what I did: 1) emerge -1 neon - revdep-rebuild (everything was consistent): layman -f -a sabayon failed, layman -s vmware failed too 2) USE=expat emerge -1 neon; emerge -1 subversion; Just to be shure I did revdep-rebuild again - system consistent. layman failed again. please show emerge -pv subversion and svn --version Best, W -- Arthur hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realised there was a contradiction there and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. - Arthur realising that he's in a certain death situation with a supernova bomb that is shaped like a cricket ball. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 840 days, 2:27
Re: [gentoo-user] Block emerge world package
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 04:12 +0100, laurent wrote: I though it was a layman overlay, but listing them with layman -L does not show them. Is there a general way to desable packages or find if they are part of an overlay ? I'm not sure what you mean by disable packages? Do you mean unmerge them? Mask them? Anyway these are general portage questions which are covered in the handbook. You can see what repo an ebuild was installed from in /var/db/pkg/category/package-version/repository
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:59:02 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) It's a kernel. Exactly. That's definitely one of the thing you have to know about, especially if this one's got some unpredictable stuff in it. Even if it already released, it has a higher chance of bugs than a more established kernel. Agreed, but from my experience, it's more like 'features' with kernel - some stuff just change, and most of this isn't quite obvious from release info, even with such commit-by-commit teardown like kernelnewbies. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29 Waiting for the package to become stable on Gentoo is not just about ebuild bugs; it is also about waiting for enough users in general to test the upstream package, and Gentoo users in particular to test the package within Gentoo. There's a race condition and quite unpredictable dependency :) Of course, if you want to actively help, that is a reason to test the latest software... but I am afraid that a kernel bug could lead to unpredictable behavior, data loss and other problems I can't tolerate. Also, I think a kernel has a higher chance of hidden bugs (bugs that don't stand in your face). But that's fine with desktop systems, especially if you have full net backup as a daily cronjob (which is a great idea, btw). I tend to use each new kernel for at least a few weeks, before deploying it anywhere, and no bugreports or security advisory papers are substitute for that. But this isn't really a discussion, since I certainly don't speak for production systems and you probably mean just a general deployment everywhere, so everyone's right in their own way. Besides, stability vs innovation is too much a matter of personal preference to discuss it w/o starting an endless holywar. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aliases
Thanasis wrote: on 03/23/2009 05:18 AM Dale wrote the following: I'm not real familiar with aliases but know what it is. If you use the alias method, how would you disable it for a one time run? Dale You can also use the unalias command, eg: $ alias ls='ls -la' $ unalias ls (then it stays unaliased for the session until you alias it again, source .bashrc, etc...). HTH :-) It doesn't like that command here. It may be that I have the alias set up in my profile instead of using the command alias. Does that matter? Dale :-) :-)
