Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-28 Thread Dale
Adam Carter wrote: Usually you put stuff like that in /etc/sysctl.conf. IIRC the key is vm.swappiness. Looking at the man page, I would think you are correct but I don't see a example on that setting. I'll have to google for it I guess. Putting it in rc.conf does work

[gentoo-user] Tracing use flags - how to?

2010-10-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, this might well we a FAQ but I couldn't find it. In the process of upgrading to xorg-server-1.8.2 I'd like to remove the 'hal' use flag. I have removed it in /etc/make.conf and added 'udev' instead. The xorg-server definitely doesn't have this use flag set in /etc/portage/package.use

Re: [gentoo-user] Tracing use flags - how to?

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 09:18 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Helmut Jarausch did opine thusly: Hi, this might well we a FAQ but I couldn't find it. In the process of upgrading to xorg-server-1.8.2 I'd like to remove the 'hal' use flag. I have removed it in /etc/make.conf and added

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:22 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal. From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1

Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-28 Thread Roger Cahn
Ask not will this work on Gentoo, rather ask will this work on Linux! Your answer is very interesting, Iain. I'll try what you wrote, and then take my decision ;-) Thank you very much for the explanation. Roger

Re: [gentoo-user] Tracing use flags - how to?

2010-10-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 10/28/10 10:22:42, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 09:18 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Helmut Jarausch did opine thusly: Hi, this might well we a FAQ but I couldn't find it. In the process of upgrading to xorg-server-1.8.2 I'd like to remove the 'hal' use

Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-28 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 28 October 2010 00:21:25 Dale wrote: It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho. I didn't suggest you should run without X all the time :-) -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Tracing use flags - how to?

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:10 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Helmut Jarausch did opine thusly: Many thanks, Alan. Meanwhile, upgrading to xorg-server-1.8.2 went smoothly and I've removed /etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi where I had some settings for the keyboard and the mouse.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:24 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 28 October 2010 00:21:25 Dale wrote: It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho. I didn't suggest you should run without X all the time :-) Why not? If he was using my

Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-28 Thread Fatih Tümen
The best would be to run lspci on the machine as others suggested. You can paste the lspci -n output here and get the availability of drivers for linux. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ There is also lists of hardware/laptops known to be working on Gentoo. N series is not listed on Gentoo wiki but

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 28 October 2010 04:50:18 Dale wrote: I think KDE is moving away from hal to tho. I read somewhere the switch is coming. I think it is switching to policykit at some point. I notice it is already in the USE flags for kdelibs here, disabled here at the moment tho. That would be

Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-28 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:43:34PM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm guessing it is a command line thing. I like a GUI. I could have used Lynx to access my email and not even have fluxbox. ^_^ Gmail has web access so I could do it that way I guess. You can, in fact, also read G-mail with Mutt

Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-28 Thread Roger Cahn
The best would be to run lspci on the machine as others suggested. You can paste the lspci -n output here and get the availability of drivers for linux. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ There is also lists of hardware/laptops known to be working on Gentoo. N series is not listed on Gentoo wiki

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2010 04:50:18 Dale wrote: I think KDE is moving away from hal to tho. I read somewhere the switch is coming. I think it is switching to policykit at some point. I notice it is already in the USE flags for kdelibs here, disabled here at the

Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-28 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2010 00:21:25 Dale wrote: It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho. I didn't suggest you should run without X all the time :-) I know. I could check it with Lynx but I would have to gargle my mouth first. lol Dale

[gentoo-user] mtab inside chroot

2010-10-28 Thread Zhu Sha Zang
Hi there, i've installed a debian/zimbra inside a chroot envorment using gentoo. But, the command df -h don't work cos i don't have /etc/mtab arch in chroot. How i can sync/create, or make df -h work correctly. For now, i gain this message: */bin/df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No

Re: [gentoo-user] mtab inside chroot

2010-10-28 Thread Petri Rosenström
Hi, ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab ose is the open source edition bin is the binary You can read about the difference http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions best regards Petri Rosenström On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Zhu Sha Zang zhushaz...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hi there, i've installed a

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 28 October 2010 11:46:30 Dale wrote: Which brings me to my next question. How is xorg 1.9 working for ya? Any gotchas? May try it here. No problems so far. I had to unmask a more recent version of xorg because version 1.7.7 was incompatible with kernel 2.6.36. Well, I could

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:46 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2010 04:50:18 Dale wrote: I think KDE is moving away from hal to tho. I read somewhere the switch is coming. I think it is switching to policykit at

[gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Joseph
After upgrading to Perl 5.12 and all cleanup perl-cleaner --all When I run emerge --depclean it asked me to removed the following packages listed below. However, when I check all of them are needed by some other packages. Do I need them? (I retained them all) virtual/perl-Package-Constants

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Graham Murray
Joseph syscon...@gmail.com writes: The reason I'm asking is that I'm getting some strange errors when using 'sql-ledger' eg. Using a hash as a reference is deprecated at SL/IS.pm line 582. The 'XXX is depreciated messages are not normally errors. They are just to inform you that the script

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Mick
On 28 October 2010 13:58, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: After upgrading to Perl 5.12 and all cleanup perl-cleaner --all When I run emerge --depclean it asked me to removed the following packages listed below. However, when I check all of them are needed by some other packages. Do I need

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:46 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2010 04:50:18 Dale wrote: I think KDE is moving away from hal to tho. I read somewhere the switch is coming. I think

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:36 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Dale did opine thusly: What's the old saying, if it's working, don't fix it. What's the old saying, if it's working, don't fix it, until it's ancient, not supported and your box won't update world anymore so you are up the

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Joseph
On 10/28/10 15:05, Mick wrote: On 28 October 2010 13:58, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: After upgrading to Perl 5.12 and all cleanup perl-cleaner --all When I run emerge --depclean it asked me to removed the following packages listed below. However, when I check all of them are needed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Fatih Tümen
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 05:22 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 28 October 2010 13:35:49 Alan McKinnon wrote: xorg-server 1.8 and 1.9 use mesa-7.8.2, and there's reports around that that version of mesa causes desktop slowdowns. mesa-7.7.1 as used by xorg- server-1.7 is reported to be fine This box has been the most sluggish box I've ever seen

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:36 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Dale did opine thusly: What's the old saying, if it's working, don't fix it. What's the old saying, if it's working, don't fix it, until it's ancient, not supported and your box won't update

[gentoo-user] Re: swap usage creeping up

2010-10-28 Thread James
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: over the last week or so I've noticed unusually large swap usage. I usually hibernate this laptop and have uptimes up to 12 days so apps can run for a long time. Hello Iain, From a hardware guy; If you really need hibernate, use it. No

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Arttu V.
On 10/28/10, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted this message on Gentoo forum and user krinn suggested to file a bug as depclean not suppose to remove package that depend on packages that are still in use. I'd imagine most items on your list are simply build-time dependencies, and

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: That's one thing about Gentoo, you get new stuff pretty quick even if you run stable.  If you run unstable, you get things really quick, bugs and all.  ;-) Unstable is still pretty stable. If you really want to have fun start

Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-28 Thread Philip Webb
101027 Dale wrote: Have you looked at Mutt ? I'm guessing it is a command line thing. I like a GUI. I could have used Lynx to access my email and not even have fluxbox. Well, everyone's preferences are different. However, Mutt isn't command-line, rather it's text-based, ie non-GUI: it has a

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Joseph
On 10/28/10 15:05, Mick wrote: On 28 October 2010 13:58, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: After upgrading to Perl 5.12 and all cleanup perl-cleaner --all When I run emerge --depclean it asked me to removed the following packages listed below. However, when I check all of them are needed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Philip Webb
101028 Alan McKinnon wrote: Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf or is `-hal' a typo that should

[gentoo-user] How can I unmask package and mask just its one version?

2010-10-28 Thread Jarry
Hi, how can I unmask (generally) certain M~ masked package and mask one particular version of that package? I want to use that package, but skip just one x.y.z upgrade, and continue with any future higher upgrades (x.y.z+1). So I entered tree/package in /etc/portage/package.unmask, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: My fast desktop with Core i7 920, Nvidia GX 240, has a slower KDE UI than my 6-year-old laptop that has AMD Athlon 3200+ and ATI Radeon Mobility 9700. Simply opening a konsole window on my desktop with

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unmask package and mask just its one version?

2010-10-28 Thread Fatih Tümen
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 20:13, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, how can I unmask (generally) certain M~ masked package and mask one particular version of that package? I want to use that package, but skip just one x.y.z upgrade, and continue with any future higher upgrades (x.y.z+1). So

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:42 +0300, Fatih Tümen wrote: I agree putting -hal is not a good idea unless you dare to break the packages that need hal. But I think there is a third option here Packages that need hal won't have a hal use flag. -- Neil Bothwick Oxymoron: Reagan memoirs.

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unmask package and mask just its one version?

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:13 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Jarry did opine thusly: Hi, how can I unmask (generally) certain M~ masked package and mask one particular version of that package? I want to use that package, but skip just one x.y.z upgrade, and continue with any future

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Joseph
/imagemagick-6.6.2.5', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.6.2.5'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/media-gfx:imagemagick-6.6.2.5:20101028-182120.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/media-gfx

Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-28 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale asks: They are probably already moved away from hal. Everybody knows it is going and that is a bleeding edge version of xorg too. I'm still on 1.7.*. Me too. Which brings me to my next question. How is xorg 1.9 working for ya? Any gotchas? May try it here. X starts, but crashes

Re: [gentoo-user] perl 5.12 downgrade ??

2010-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
--info =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.6.2.5', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.6.2.5'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/media-gfx:imagemagick-6.6.2.5:20101028-182120.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: swap usage creeping up

2010-10-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 16:13 +, James wrote: Hello Iain, hey :) From a hardware guy; If you really need hibernate, use it. No laptop was designed to stay powered on continuously despite the features in software and hardware. [snip] If you need hibernate, use it. If you do not, your

Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 11:08 +0200, Roger Cahn wrote: Ask not will this work on Gentoo, rather ask will this work on Linux! Your answer is very interesting, Iain. I'll try what you wrote, and then take my decision

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB

2010-10-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:24 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: I'm having issues with the latest mix of nvidia-drivers, xorg, and whatever else it might be! I'm getting bad performance when switching virtual dekstops and