Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.10.2011 03:52, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
 Just stumbled upon this blog:
 
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
 
 anyone got any experience with zram/compcache on Gentoo?
 
 Rgds,
 

Yes, I use it on my laptop (4GB RAM, typically 1-2GB swap used). It
works pretty well but I can't give you any hard figures.

I wrote my own init script for this. I can share it if you want.
Otherwise the sunrise, betagarden and mv overlays offer ebuilds for it.
I think the mv version is closest to mine.

What has been pretty confusing is that there are two versions: The
original one from Google(?) and the one in the mainline kernel. They
have different APIs (hint: if you have a userland tool instead of
manipulating /sys, it is the original version) and only the original
version can use a swap device as an additional backend for
uncompressable pages. With the mainline version (which I use), you can
only use zram as an additional swap device and give it a higher priority
than your normal swap.

/etc/fstab:
/dev/zram0 none swap sw,pri=1,discard 0 0
/dev/sda7 none swap sw,pri=0 0 0

Only drawback so far: When zram is full, putting the laptop into standby
takes longer, maybe 15s compared to 3s without. Sometimes this can lead
to timeouts and the kernel aborts the suspend operation with an error on
dmesg. Reattempting it then succeeds.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

2011-10-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:34:52 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
  Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe
  the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some
  cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to
  a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). 
 
 Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-)
 
 

Some of the citizens in AlansUserland believe that's the culture.

Honest guv, I swear, it wasn't my doing!



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alan.mckin...@gmail.com



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Alan,

On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 21:36:58 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
  If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging
  cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to
  reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions.
  My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are:
  
  # emerge -1pv clutter cogl
  
  These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
  
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  [ebuild   R   ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0  USE=doc examples
  introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1]
  [ebuild   R   ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0  USE=doc introspection
  -debug 0 kB [1]
  
  I had remerged clutter earlier today and just did cogl.  Mu use flags
  are basically the same as yours
  
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  [ebuild   R] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0  USE=introspection -debug
  -doc 0 kB [1] [ebuild   R]  media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 
  USE=introspection pango -debug -doc -examples -test 0 kB [1]
  
  I am using the same driver as you but a different version (mine is one
  newer) and I don't have the sna use flag.  I might not have access to
  the machine an longer today, but will try.
  
  thanks,
  allan
 
 I forgot to say that with the remerged clutter and cogl, gdm still
 crashes.
 
 I just rebuilt the driver downgraded to 2.15.0-r1.  I specified sna in
 package.use but still it was merged without it.
 
 This configuration still has gdm crashing
 
 [U] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel
  Available versions:  2.8.1 2.9.1 (~)2.10.0-r1 (~)2.11.0 2.13.0 2.14.0
 2.15.0-r1 (~)2.16.0 {debug dri sna} Installed versions:  2.15.0-r1(09:27:44
 PM 10/12/2011)(dri)
  Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/

to rule out the video-stack, I'd try gnome in fallback-mode. If it works, 
chances are your problem is video-related. If it still crashes, the problem is 
elsewhere.
Is there something in dmesg related to the gnome-shell segfaults?

 allan

Best,
Michael




[gentoo-user] Postfix to relay mail even if acting as primary MX host?

2011-10-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
Okay, I'm still scratching my head here.

Scenario: Having a Postfix server in the cloud to act as the primary
MX, but actually forwarding the emails to my company's email server
behind the firewall.

For the purposes of my scenario, here are the relevant (but mangled) settings:

*) Domain is example.com
*) Postfix server is mailer.example.com with the IP 55.66.77.88
*) Company email server is accessible via 11.22.33.44:5225
*) Firewall only allows incoming traffic to 11.22.33.44:5225 from 55.66.77.88
*) I want to set MX for example.com to mailer.example.com

I saw the relay_domains and relayhost settings, oh good. But then
I ran smack-drab to the following NOTE:

# NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that
# list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the
# permit_mx_backup restriction description in postconf(5).

So, if I set relay_domains = example.com and relayhost =
[11.22.33.44]:5225, yet have mailer.example.com as the primary MX
for the domain example.com, the emails won't be relayed to
11.22.33.44:5225, right?

Can anyone help me configure Postfix to actually do what I want, e.g.,
to *still* relay emails destined to @example.com to the address
11.22.33.44:5225?

TIA.

Rgds,
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[gentoo-user] Re: Postfix to relay mail even if acting as primary MX host?

2011-10-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:11, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 Okay, I'm still scratching my head here.

 Scenario: Having a Postfix server in the cloud to act as the primary
 MX, but actually forwarding the emails to my company's email server
 behind the firewall.

 For the purposes of my scenario, here are the relevant (but mangled) settings:

 *) Domain is example.com
 *) Postfix server is mailer.example.com with the IP 55.66.77.88
 *) Company email server is accessible via 11.22.33.44:5225
 *) Firewall only allows incoming traffic to 11.22.33.44:5225 from 55.66.77.88
 *) I want to set MX for example.com to mailer.example.com

 I saw the relay_domains and relayhost settings, oh good. But then
 I ran smack-drab to the following NOTE:

 # NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that
 # list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the
 # permit_mx_backup restriction description in postconf(5).

 So, if I set relay_domains = example.com and relayhost =
 [11.22.33.44]:5225, yet have mailer.example.com as the primary MX
 for the domain example.com, the emails won't be relayed to
 11.22.33.44:5225, right?

 Can anyone help me configure Postfix to actually do what I want, e.g.,
 to *still* relay emails destined to @example.com to the address
 11.22.33.44:5225?


I found this:

http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup

is that the configuration I should use?

Rgds,
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~ IT Optimizer ~

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[gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Denis I. Polukarov
I've catch problem like this
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_flat;post=240430;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;list=gentoo

gdm[-gnome-shell]  gnome-fallback-3.2 work fine (x86  xf86-video-ati),
gnome-shell crash.

But on other machine gdm[gnome-shell]  gnome-3.2 work fine (x86_64 
xf86-video-nouveau)...
on smartbook gdm[-gnome-shell]  gnome-fallback-3.2 work fine (arm 
xf86-video-tegra), gnome-shell not support GLES.

Anybody resolve problem with gnome-shell crash ?..

-- 
Best regards,
Denis I. Polukarov



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Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:

 Hi Alan,

 Is there something in dmesg related to the gnome-shell segfaults?

 Best,
 Michael

Indeed!

oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
gnome-shell[3325] general protection ip:b6853dc2 sp:bfdba6d4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6819000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]
oldlap ~ # 



Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.10.2011 03:52, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
 Just stumbled upon this blog:
 
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
 
 anyone got any experience with zram/compcache on Gentoo?
 
 Rgds,
 

Hmm, it seems like my reply was eaten by the mail server. Apologies if
you receive this twice:

I use it on my laptop (4GB RAM, typically 1-2GB swap used). It
works pretty well but I can't give you any hard figures.

I wrote my own init script for this. I can share it if you want.
Otherwise the sunrise, betagarden and mv overlays offer ebuilds for it.
I think the mv version is closest to mine.

What has been pretty confusing is that there are two versions: The
original one from Google(?) and the one in the mainline kernel. They
have different APIs (hint: if you have a userland tool instead of
manipulating /sys, it is the original version) and only the original
version can use a swap device as an additional backend for
uncompressable pages. With the mainline version (which I use), you can
only use zram as an additional swap device and give it a higher priority
than your normal swap.

/etc/fstab:
/dev/zram0 none swap sw,pri=1,discard 0 0
/dev/sda7 none swap sw,pri=0 0 0

Only drawback so far: When zram is full, putting the laptop into standby
takes longer, maybe 15s compared to 3s without. Sometimes this can lead
to timeouts and the kernel aborts the suspend operation with an error on
dmesg. Reattempting it then succeeds.

Regards,
Florian Philipp





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Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:


 gnome-shell segfaults.
 I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML.
 What video-card are you using? Drivers/version?
 Is there any other WM you can start, execute
 gnome-shell --replace
 in a console and dump the output here?
 Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode?
 Afaik you can enable this with
 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback

I typed that command as root (no complaints)
and restarted gdm (twice).
Same problem

oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shellgnome-shell[3325] general protection 
ip:b6853dc2 sp:bfdba6d4 error:0 in libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6819000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[24424] general protection ip:b69dcdc2 sp:bfa4c494 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b69a2000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[24440] general protection ip:b6978dc2 sp:bfc21d84 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b693e000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[24563] general protection ip:b6932dc2 sp:bfb993c4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b68f8000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[24579] general protection ip:b68f1dc2 sp:bf8c52d4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b68b7000+2ca000]
oldlap ~ # 

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:

 Hi Alan,

 Is there something in dmesg related to the gnome-shell segfaults?

 Best,
 Michael

 Indeed!

 oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
 gnome-shell[3325] general protection ip:b6853dc2 sp:bfdba6d4 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6819000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]
 oldlap ~ #

I've skipped most of the thread, so forgive me if this was already
done...try rebuilding libmozjs? Bumping its version up or down?
-- 
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils

2011-10-13 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
Yes, it's a different binary, and it's perfectly usual to find it in a
Linux system.

But note that, at least in bash, you rarely will be using /usr/bin/[
unless you reference it using the full path (either in a relative or
absolute way). This is because bash has a builtin that takes over that
binary file. You can check that (or any other command) by using the
type instruction (again, this is for bash).

# LC_ALL=C type [
[ is a shell builtin

The same goes for 'test'.

Those binaries are probably there just in case that some init or
system script written for a standard bourne shell (like the busybox
one) needs it. But don't take my word for it. I am not sure right now.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero Botella



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

 What's the output of lspci | grep VGA?

oldlap ~ # lspci -v | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 
943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA 
controller])

 And just to cover all the bases: what versions do you have of:

 xorg-server
 xorg-drivers
 mesa

[I] x11-base/xorg-server
 Available versions:  1.9.4 1.9.5 1.10.2 (~)1.10.3 1.10.4 (~)1.11.0 
(~)1.11.1 {dmx doc ipv6 kdrive minimal nptl static-libs tslib +udev xnest xorg 
xvfb}
 Installed versions:  1.11.1(02:25:02 PM 10/12/2011)(ipv6 nptl udev xorg 
-dmx -doc -kdrive -minimal -static-libs -tslib -xnest -xvfb)

[I] x11-base/xorg-drivers
 Available versions:  1.9 1.10 (~)1.11 {}
 Installed versions:  1.11(06:38:40 AM
 07/11/2011)(input_devices_evdev input_devices_keyboard
 input_devices_mouse video_cards_intel video_cards_vesa)

[I] media-libs/mesa
 Available versions:  7.9.2 7.10.2 (~)7.10.2-r1 7.10.3 7.11 {}
 Installed versions:  7.11(09:39:15 AM 08/15/2011)(classic egl gallium llvm 
nptl shared-glapi video_cards_intel )

 If you are using a newer version of xf86-video-intel, then you are
 (probably) using unstable X.org. I am not; GNOME 3.2 I had it
 unmasked, X.org I got it stable.

Yes this machine is ~x86

allan



[gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Lavender
I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on the 
mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Mol wrote:

 I've skipped most of the thread, so forgive me if this was already
 done...try rebuilding libmozjs? Bumping its version up or down?

oldlap ~ # equery b /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so
 * Searching for /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so ... 
dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so - libmozjs185.so.1.0)
dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0)

[I] dev-lang/spidermonkey
 Available versions:  1.7.0 (~)1.7.0-r1 (~)1.7.0-r2 1.8.2.15 {M}(~)1.8.5 
{static-libs test threadsafe unicode}
 Installed versions:  1.8.5(02:22:11 PM 10/12/2011)(-static-libs -test)

So the installed version is the only one from gnome3.  I tried

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild UD ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.2.15 [1.8.5] USE=-threadsafe% 
(-static-libs%) (-test%) 50,345 kB

and received a slot conflict with dev-libs/gjs.

I worry trying to downgrade may lead to a string of dependencies.  I can
try it tonight if desired.

thanks,
allan



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:44:05 +0800
Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote:

 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on
 the mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

It's called linux-something on the distfiles mirrors

You can download the master image from kernel.org

emerge gentoo-sources will do all that for you.

This is extremely basic gentoo knowledge, fully described in the
documentation. Why are you still having trouble with these concepts? 

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com



Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils

2011-10-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:38:08 +0200
Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, it's a different binary, and it's perfectly usual to find it in a
 Linux system.
 
 But note that, at least in bash, you rarely will be using /usr/bin/[
 unless you reference it using the full path (either in a relative or
 absolute way). This is because bash has a builtin that takes over that
 binary file. You can check that (or any other command) by using the
 type instruction (again, this is for bash).
 
 # LC_ALL=C type [
 [ is a shell builtin
 
 The same goes for 'test'.
 
 Those binaries are probably there just in case that some init or
 system script written for a standard bourne shell (like the busybox
 one) needs it. But don't take my word for it. I am not sure right now. 

You might not be sure, but that doesn't stop you still being correct :-)

The binaries are usually POSIX-compliant, whereas the builtins may
include extra bashisms (which tend to break apps expecting just
the basic POSIX behaviour)

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread meino . cramer
Lavender 448463...@qq.com [11-10-13 15:48]:
 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on the 
 mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

Hi,

try

eix gentoo-sources

and than (as superuser)

emerge gentoo-sources

HTH!

Best regards,
mcc




Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Mol wrote:

 I've skipped most of the thread, so forgive me if this was already
 done...try rebuilding libmozjs? Bumping its version up or down?

 oldlap ~ # equery b /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so
  * Searching for /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so ...
 dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so - libmozjs185.so.1.0)
 dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0)

 [I] dev-lang/spidermonkey
     Available versions:  1.7.0 (~)1.7.0-r1 (~)1.7.0-r2 1.8.2.15 {M}(~)1.8.5 
 {static-libs test threadsafe unicode}
     Installed versions:  1.8.5(02:22:11 PM 10/12/2011)(-static-libs -test)

 So the installed version is the only one from gnome3.  I tried

 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild     UD ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.2.15 [1.8.5] USE=-threadsafe% 
 (-static-libs%) (-test%) 50,345 kB

 and received a slot conflict with dev-libs/gjs.

 I worry trying to downgrade may lead to a string of dependencies.  I can
 try it tonight if desired.

Up to you; slot conflicts are outside my area of knowledge for Gentoo.

The dmesg error you had suggests to me that the problem may be in
libmozjs. It could also be in a badly-built data structure passed
*into* libmozjs, though, so I was looking for some differential to see
which had the problem.

-- 
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Lavender
Yeah , I know it works , but I wanna know exactly where it it , because my 
school will cut the electricity down after 11 pm . I need to get it before I 
could not .
   
  
  -- Original --
  From:  meino.cramermeino.cra...@gmx.de;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:52 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 
 
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

  
Lavender 448463...@qq.com [11-10-13 15:48]:
 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on the 
 mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

Hi,

try

eix gentoo-sources

and than (as superuser)

emerge gentoo-sources

HTH!

Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:38:08 +0200
 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, it's a different binary, and it's perfectly usual to find it in a
 Linux system.

 But note that, at least in bash, you rarely will be using /usr/bin/[
 unless you reference it using the full path (either in a relative or
 absolute way). This is because bash has a builtin that takes over that
 binary file. You can check that (or any other command) by using the
 type instruction (again, this is for bash).

 # LC_ALL=C type [
 [ is a shell builtin

 The same goes for 'test'.

 Those binaries are probably there just in case that some init or
 system script written for a standard bourne shell (like the busybox
 one) needs it. But don't take my word for it. I am not sure right now.

 You might not be sure, but that doesn't stop you still being correct :-)

 The binaries are usually POSIX-compliant, whereas the builtins may
 include extra bashisms (which tend to break apps expecting just
 the basic POSIX behaviour)

I haven't encountered POSIX-dependent apps breaking on bash, but I
have encountered the reverse. My most annoying experience was when I
tried building cinelerra on Debian a few years back. Cinelerra's
script started with #!/bin/sh, but depended on bashisms--and I was
running dash.

-- 
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Lavender
Suddenly I got an idea , is there great difference between gentoo kernel and 
the original kernel ? 
 I want to build linux with the original kernel , but where have gentoo 
modified based original kernel ? Security , speed or anywhere else ? If I do 
this, can the linux I built  be called gentoo ?
   
  
  -- Original --
  From:  Lavender448463...@qq.com;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:56 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 
 
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

  
 Yeah , I know it works , but I wanna know exactly where it it , because my 
school will cut the electricity down after 11 pm . I need to get it before I 
could not .
   
  
  -- Original --
  From:  meino.cramermeino.cra...@gmx.de;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:52 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 
 
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

  
Lavender 448463...@qq.com [11-10-13 15:48]:
 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on the 
 mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

Hi,

try

eix gentoo-sources

and than (as superuser)

emerge gentoo-sources

HTH!

Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Mol
If you want to build the original kernel,

emerge linux-sources

(At least, I think that's the package name for vanilla sources. I
don't have my Gentoo box handy)

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote:
 Suddenly I got an idea , is there great difference between gentoo kernel and
 the original kernel ?
 I want to build linux with the original kernel , but where have gentoo
 modified based original kernel ? Security , speed or anywhere else ? If I do
 this, can the linux I built  be called gentoo ?


 -- Original --
 From:  Lavender448463...@qq.com;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:56 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org;
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

 Yeah , I know it works , but I wanna know exactly where it it , because my
 school will cut the electricity down after 11 pm . I need to get it before I
 could not .


 -- Original --
 From:  meino.cramermeino.cra...@gmx.de;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:52 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org;
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

 Lavender 448463...@qq.com [11-10-13 15:48]:
 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on the
 mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

 Hi,

 try

     eix gentoo-sources

 and than (as superuser)

     emerge gentoo-sources

 HTH!

 Best regards,
 mcc






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:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Jens Reinemuth
On 13.10.2011 16:16, Michael Mol wrote:
 (At least, I think that's the package name for vanilla sources. I
emerge vanilla-sources





Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Lavender
Thank you ,I thought it would be named gentoo-sth, no wonder I haven't found 
it .
   
  
  -- Original --
  From:  Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com;
 Date:  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 09:47 PM
 To:  gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 
 
 Subject:  Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

  
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:44:05 +0800
Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote:

 I want to download it . I have searched in the distfiles directory on
 the mirorrs , but I don't know where to get it . Anyone can tell me ?

It's called linux-something on the distfiles mirrors

You can download the master image from kernel.org

emerge gentoo-sources will do all that for you.

This is extremely basic gentoo knowledge, fully described in the
documentation. Why are you still having trouble with these concepts? 

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils

2011-10-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:59:21 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

  The binaries are usually POSIX-compliant, whereas the builtins may
  include extra bashisms (which tend to break apps expecting just
  the basic POSIX behaviour)  
 
 I haven't encountered POSIX-dependent apps breaking on bash, but I
 have encountered the reverse. My most annoying experience was when I
 tried building cinelerra on Debian a few years back. Cinelerra's
 script started with #!/bin/sh, but depended on bashisms--and I was
 running dash.

So you've also run into clueless devs and maintainers who know
almost nothing about shells?

Your example is an extreme one :-), but it's common enough to find
bashisms in scripts with an sh shebang 

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com



Re: [gentoo-user] Where to get the gentoo kernel?

2011-10-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:22:51 +0800, Lavender wrote:

 Thank you ,I thought it would be named gentoo-sth, no wonder I
 haven't found it .

eix -C sys-kernel will list all available kernel sources, with
descriptions of each.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

To most people solutions mean finding the answers.  But to chemists
solutions are things that are still all mixed up.


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Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Thursday, 13. October 2011 09:47:03 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Mol wrote:
  I've skipped most of the thread, so forgive me if this was already
  done...try rebuilding libmozjs? Bumping its version up or down?
 
 oldlap ~ # equery b /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so
  * Searching for /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so ...
 dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so - libmozjs185.so.1.0)
 dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0)
 
 [I] dev-lang/spidermonkey
  Available versions:  1.7.0 (~)1.7.0-r1 (~)1.7.0-r2 1.8.2.15 {M}(~)1.8.5
 {static-libs test threadsafe unicode} Installed versions:  1.8.5(02:22:11
 PM 10/12/2011)(-static-libs -test)
 
 So the installed version is the only one from gnome3.  I tried
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild UD ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.2.15 [1.8.5] USE=-threadsafe%
 (-static-libs%) (-test%) 50,345 kB
 
 and received a slot conflict with dev-libs/gjs.
 
 I worry trying to downgrade may lead to a string of dependencies.  I can
 try it tonight if desired.

hmm, for sure your problem is not video-related then.
gjs is the javascript-bindings for gnome...
You could try keeping spidermonkey at 1.8.5 and (re-)build the latest version 
of gjs.
google-ing your problem clearly shows: you are not alone. Sadly I was not able 
to find a solution for your problem yet as most others use ancient versions and 
updates solved it for them.

 thanks,
 allan

Best,
Michael




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Postfix to relay mail even if acting as primary MX host?

2011-10-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/13/2011 06:17 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
 
 I found this:
 
 http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup
 
 is that the configuration I should use?
 

More or less. I think you may even be able to simplify it a little. I'm
honestly not sure what that warning is referring to, you might ask on
the postfix list, I'm kinda curious. Anyway, the relay* settings work
the way you think they do. We have the same setup here. This is part of
the config on mx1.example.com.

  local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled.
  mydestination =
  relay_domains = cdb:/etc/postfix/maps/relay_domains
  relay_recipient_maps = cdb:/etc/postfix/maps/relay_recipient_maps
  relayhost = mail1.example.com
  virtual_transport = error:virtual mail delivery is disabled.

You can set relayhost to do what you want:

  http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:


 gnome-shell segfaults.
 I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML.
 What video-card are you using? Drivers/version?
 Is there any other WM you can start, execute
 gnome-shell --replace
 in a console and dump the output here?
 Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode?
 Afaik you can enable this with
 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback

 I typed that command as root (no complaints)
 and restarted gdm (twice).
 Same problem

 oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shellgnome-shell[3325] general protection 
 ip:b6853dc2 sp:bfdba6d4 error:0 in libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6819000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[24424] general protection ip:b69dcdc2 sp:bfa4c494 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b69a2000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[24440] general protection ip:b6978dc2 sp:bfc21d84 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b693e000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[24563] general protection ip:b6932dc2 sp:bfb993c4 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b68f8000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[24579] general protection ip:b68f1dc2 sp:bf8c52d4 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b68b7000+2ca000]
 oldlap ~ #

Mmmh. Then the problem is probably not the video. Try reemerging
spidermonkey, gjs and gnome-shell; my versions are:


[ebuild   R   #] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5  USE=-static-libs -test 0 kB [0]
[ebuild   R   #] dev-libs/gjs-1.30.0  USE=examples -test 0 kB [0]
[ebuild   R   #] gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1  0 kB [1]

Notice that gjs move to the tree, and so the latest version is outside
de overlay.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México



Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...

2011-10-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.10.2011 00:26, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

 What is the benefit of running fstrim manually over mounting with
 discard?
 
 discard seems to slow down the fs by trimming all the time.
 I only report what I read. No tests done so far.

Shouldn't discard be set to make TRIM work anyway, even with fstrim?

man mount says for discard:

Controls whether ext4 should issue discard/TRIM commands to the
underlying  block  device  when  blocks  are freed.

Sounds like TRIM-commands wouldn't get through to the SSD when discard
is not set.

Still wondering.

Stefan



[gentoo-user] Vmware Player 4 from vmware-overlay

2011-10-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger

Anyone hitting the same issue?

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6824432.html?sid=ff31450ec4a661979b3545e662bdfbb1

AFAI understand glibc-2.13-r4 (as in ~amd64 right now) is too new for
the vmware-binary?

Did I understand correctly?

Is there a workaround? Downgrading glibc is not the way to go, ey? ;-)

S



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:

 hmm, for sure your problem is not video-related then.  gjs is the
 javascript-bindings for gnome...  You could try keeping spidermonkey
 at 1.8.5 and (re-)build the latest version of gjs.  google-ing your
 problem clearly shows: you are not alone. Sadly I was not able to find
 a solution for your problem yet as most others use ancient versions
 and updates solved it for them.

I tried this (see msg to canek) but it gnome-shell still shows a general
protection msg in dmsg

oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
gnome-shell[3302] general protection ip:b687ddc2 sp:bf8623e4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6843000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[3456] general protection ip:b68d1dc2 sp:bfdf4de4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6897000+2ca000]
oldlap ~ # 

thanks again for helping,
allan



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Postfix to relay mail even if acting as primary MX host?

2011-10-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Oct 14, 2011 1:01 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:

 On 10/13/2011 06:17 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
 
  I found this:
 
  http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup
 
  is that the configuration I should use?
 

 More or less. I think you may even be able to simplify it a little. I'm
 honestly not sure what that warning is referring to, you might ask on
 the postfix list, I'm kinda curious. Anyway, the relay* settings work
 the way you think they do. We have the same setup here. This is part of
 the config on mx1.example.com.

  local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled.
  mydestination =
  relay_domains = cdb:/etc/postfix/maps/relay_domains
  relay_recipient_maps = cdb:/etc/postfix/maps/relay_recipient_maps
  relayhost = mail1.example.com
  virtual_transport = error:virtual mail delivery is disabled.

 You can set relayhost to do what you want:

  http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost


Ah, thanks!

Yeah, that note is quite puzzling. Neither man page nor Google-fu
explained what that note's supposed to mean, and no other
information/warning or even HOWTO to alleviate the supposedly 'problematic'
situation.

I'm going to ask my question in the Postfix list and relay my findings here.

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Oct 13, 2011 8:32 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote:

 Am 13.10.2011 03:52, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
  Just stumbled upon this blog:
 
  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
 
  anyone got any experience with zram/compcache on Gentoo?
 
  Rgds,
 

 Hmm, it seems like my reply was eaten by the mail server. Apologies if
 you receive this twice:


In addition to the dog ate my homework, now we have a new excuse, the
server are my document :-D

Ah, progress ;-)

 I use it on my laptop (4GB RAM, typically 1-2GB swap used). It
 works pretty well but I can't give you any hard figures.

 I wrote my own init script for this. I can share it if you want.
 Otherwise the sunrise, betagarden and mv overlays offer ebuilds for it.
 I think the mv version is closest to mine.


What makes the proliferation of ebuilds?

 What has been pretty confusing is that there are two versions: The
 original one from Google(?) and the one in the mainline kernel. They
 have different APIs (hint: if you have a userland tool instead of
 manipulating /sys, it is the original version) and only the original
 version can use a swap device as an additional backend for
 uncompressable pages. With the mainline version (which I use), you can
 only use zram as an additional swap device and give it a higher priority
 than your normal swap.


In the kernel? What .config knob should I twiddle?

I do prefer having zram support in the kernel.

 /etc/fstab:
 /dev/zram0 none swap sw,pri=1,discard 0 0
 /dev/sda7 none swap sw,pri=0 0 0

 Only drawback so far: When zram is full, putting the laptop into standby
 takes longer, maybe 15s compared to 3s without. Sometimes this can lead
 to timeouts and the kernel aborts the suspend operation with an error on
 dmesg. Reattempting it then succeeds.


Point taken. Do you think it's worth the slight annoyance?

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 I typed that command as root (no complaints)
 and restarted gdm (twice).
 Same problem

 oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
 gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]

 Mmmh. Then the problem is probably not the video. Try reemerging
 spidermonkey, gjs and gnome-shell; my versions are:


 [ebuild   R   #] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5  USE=-static-libs -test 0 kB 
 [0]
 [ebuild   R   #] dev-libs/gjs-1.30.0  USE=examples -test 0 kB [0]
 [ebuild   R   #] gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1  0 kB [1]

 Notice that gjs move to the tree, and so the latest version is outside
 de overlay.

I rebuilt all three and, as you noted only gnome-shell is from the
overlay the other two are in the main tree.

Sadly the result is the same: A new reboot still gives

oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
gnome-shell[3302] general protection ip:b687ddc2 sp:bf8623e4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6843000+2ca000]
gnome-shell[3456] general protection ip:b68d1dc2 sp:bfdf4de4 error:0 in 
libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6897000+2ca000]
oldlap ~ # 

Not sure what to do now other than wait/hope that 3.2.1 (to be released
next week) makes it to the overlay and is better for me.

allan

PS I guess I was lucky with 3.0 since it just worked, at least to the
extent that I could log in and play with it.



Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Adam Carter
 In the kernel? What .config knob should I twiddle?

Device Drivers - Staging Drivers - Compressed RAM block device



Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Adam Carter
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote:
 In the kernel? What .config knob should I twiddle?

 Device Drivers - Staging Drivers - Compressed RAM block device

But Dynamic Compression of swap pages underneath looks interesting too
(check the help).
Compressed RAM block device = CONFIG_ZRAM
Dynamic Compression of swap pages = CONFIG_ZCACHE



Re: [gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?

2011-10-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Oct 14, 2011 8:36 AM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com
wrote:
  In the kernel? What .config knob should I twiddle?
 
  Device Drivers - Staging Drivers - Compressed RAM block device

 But Dynamic Compression of swap pages underneath looks interesting too
 (check the help).
 Compressed RAM block device = CONFIG_ZRAM
 Dynamic Compression of swap pages = CONFIG_ZCACHE


Ah, thanks for the tips!

make menuconfig will be the first order of the day when I reach my office
:-D

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 I typed that command as root (no complaints)
 and restarted gdm (twice).
 Same problem

 oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
 gnome-shell[3479] general protection ip:b682bdc2 sp:bf882764 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b67f1000+2ca000]

 Mmmh. Then the problem is probably not the video. Try reemerging
 spidermonkey, gjs and gnome-shell; my versions are:


 [ebuild   R   #] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5  USE=-static-libs -test 0 kB 
 [0]
 [ebuild   R   #] dev-libs/gjs-1.30.0  USE=examples -test 0 kB [0]
 [ebuild   R   #] gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1  0 kB [1]

 Notice that gjs move to the tree, and so the latest version is outside
 de overlay.

 I rebuilt all three and, as you noted only gnome-shell is from the
 overlay the other two are in the main tree.

 Sadly the result is the same: A new reboot still gives

 oldlap ~ # dmesg | grep gnome-shell
 gnome-shell[3302] general protection ip:b687ddc2 sp:bf8623e4 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6843000+2ca000]
 gnome-shell[3456] general protection ip:b68d1dc2 sp:bfdf4de4 error:0 in 
 libmozjs185.so.1.0.0[b6897000+2ca000]
 oldlap ~ #

 Not sure what to do now other than wait/hope that 3.2.1 (to be released
 next week) makes it to the overlay and is better for me.

That's an option, of course. I don't know what else you could try;
maybe try the  gnome-shell version? I know the crash is happening
in spidermonkey, but perhaps te live version of gnome-shell avoids
that code path?

The code for 3.2.1 cannot be *that* different from the live version.
Maybe it's worth a try.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México



Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)

2011-10-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:

 Not sure what to do now other than wait/hope that 3.2.1 (to be released
 next week) makes it to the overlay and is better for me.

 That's an option, of course. I don't know what else you could try;
 maybe try the  gnome-shell version? I know the crash is happening
 in spidermonkey, but perhaps te live version of gnome-shell avoids
 that code path?

 The code for 3.2.1 cannot be *that* different from the live version.
 Maybe it's worth a try.

 Regards.

- didn't help.  I still get the msg in dmesg about gnome-shell
 failing.  I went back to 3.2.0-r1.

Another difficulty has arising.
I don't seem to be able to get out of fallback mode.  Indeed
even the command I used to get into fallback before is failing now.

I think this should get me out of fallback

oldlap ~ # gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome
** (process:3534): WARNING **: Command line `dbus-launch 
--autolaunch=a80a835bfa47bbd35544058f000d --binary-syntax --close-stderr' 
exited with non-zero exit status 1: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization 
failed.\n
(msg repeated and snipped by allan)

and this is just the command I successfully executed a day or two ago
that now fails

oldlap ~ # gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback
** (process:3540): WARNING **: Command line `dbus-launch 
--autolaunch=a80a835bfa47bbd35544058f000d --binary-syntax --close-stderr' 
exited with non-zero exit status 1: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization 
failed.\n
(snipped)

I should add that the first one above (trying to get back to straight
gnome) was tried with the gnome-shell flag for gdm both set and unset.
The failure is the same

allan



[gentoo-user] subversion-1.7.0 and layman

2011-10-13 Thread András Csányi
Dear All,

Yesterday my subversion has been upgraded because I have an ~amd64
system. This morning when I wanted to sync my layman repositorys I got
this error message:

svn: E155036: Please see the 'svn upgrade' command
 svn: E155036: Working copy  is too old.

Should I downgrade subversion or just waiting till the particular
layman repositorys' format will be upgraded?

Thanks in advance!

András

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