Re: [gentoo-user] Can't emerge apache

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Mike Diehl wrote:
 On Saturday 19 January 2008 03:12:23 am Roman Zilka wrote:
  Hi Mike!
 
   g++: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/crtbeginS.o: No such
   file or directory
   g++: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/crtendS.o: No such file
   or directory
 
  i486 - this is kinda weird for a brand new box.

 Ya, very weird.  Here is what I've got in /etc/make.conf:
 CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
 MAKEOPTS=-j2

Did you install from a stage3? You probably have not rebuilt gcc then.

 USE=-acl -cups -dri -fortran -gpm -iconv -ipv6 -isdnlog -midi
 -mudflap -nls -openmp -pppd -reflection -session -tcpd
 -truetype-fonts -type1-fonts -unicode -xorg

 Seems rational to me.  The box is going to be a stripped-down server.

  What's does your
  'emerge --info' look like?
  Maybe you've got a wrong CHOST set up. What
  does 'ls /usr/lib/gcc/*/*/crt*S.o' report (just to be sure)? Are
  you able to emerge any other packages?
 
  -rz

  # gcc-config  -l
  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 *

 # ls /usr/lib/gcc/*/*/crt*S.o
 /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbeginS.o 
 /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtendS.o

 It almost seems like it might be easier to start over  What do
 you think?

No, that will probably just land you up in exactly the same position. 
This isn't Windows where reinstalls produce random different results 
every time :-)

Somehow apr is confused about which version of gcc you have. Rebuild 
your tool chain and try again.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

 H, I get this blocker:

 [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking
 x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1)

 Is unmerging qt a good idea?

Yes, looking in the ebuild, qt-4.4 seems to be organized as a meta 
package and you have older monolithic ones. So you will have to unmerge 
your old qt-4 stuff first

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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-20 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:06:45 +0100, Lowe Schmidt wrote:

 The scenario is a bit bizarre I'd say.

It's hyperbole, definitely, but meant to illustrate that more users is 
good.  Oh well.

 On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Thufir wrote:
 
 On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:04:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:


 Nope. The Ubuntu developers would probably just carry on doing what
 they
 doing now - developing on Ubuntu. What makes you think they'd change?

 They would continue to develop it even if *no-one*, outside of the
 developers, used it?  We'll have to agree to disagree on that, even if
 it's a bit of hyperbole.


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Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
 Philip Webb wrote:
  A problem I have is that Firefox is not deleting  .pdf  files from 
  /tmp after I have viewed  saved them elsewhere (using Kpdf).
  There seems to be no place in Firefox or Kpdf settings to change
  this. Does anyone have a useful suggestion for automatically
  deleting them ?

 Since /tmp has been talked about on -dev, reboot will do it.

Only if /tmp is a tmpfs.

On a machine used as a desktop, this is a good idea as they are rebooted 
often and the FHS states that the contents of /tmp should not be relied 
on to survive a reboot.

On a server style machine that is not rebooted often, tmpwatch running 
in a cron does a good job of this.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Philip Webb wrote:
 080119 Kevin wrote:
  To automatically wipe /tmp upon reboot,
  change  WIPE_TMP  to yes in  /etc/conf.d/bootmisc

 Thanks: I will consider the implications.

There aren't any implications. By *definition*, the contents of /tmp 
should not be relied on to survive a reboot or even subsequent 
invocations of the same program.

Any app that does rely on the contents of /tmp still being there is thus 
fundamentally broken in it's behaviour and should be avoided or fixed.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

 Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
 Stinking dial-up.  :-@

That will take a lng while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than there 
KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:

kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
kdebase 3.9MB
kdebase-runtime 46MB
kdebase-workspace29MB

Good luck with dialup!

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

   
 H, I get this blocker:

 [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking
 x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1)

 Is unmerging qt a good idea?
 

 Yes, looking in the ebuild, qt-4.4 seems to be organized as a meta 
 package and you have older monolithic ones. So you will have to unmerge 
 your old qt-4 stuff first

 alan

   

Thanks for the info.  I know Python, portage, gcc and a couple others
are bad to remove but I wasn't real sure about qt.  I think I'll go to a
console and do it all in one line, just to be sure.  Wouldn't want KDE
to crash in the middle of it.  I usually use Konsole for that stuff.

Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff. 
Stinking dial-up.  :-@

Thanks again.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Uwe Thiem wrote:
 On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

   
 Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
 Stinking dial-up.  :-@
 

 That will take a lng while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than there 
 KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:

 kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
 kdebase 3.9MB
 kdebase-runtime 46MB
 kdebase-workspace29MB

 Good luck with dialup!

 Uwe

   

Tell me about it.  I have already been at it for about 15 hours or so. 

Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
Size of downloads: 222,586 kB

I used to think OOo was big.  LOL   DSL is supposed to be here soon tho,
I hope.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P.S.  I still have a OOo update in the mask section.  Going to try KDE
4.0 first.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

 Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
 Stinking dial-up.  :-@

On a second thought: Can't a kind soul in the US send Dale the tarballs on a 
CD? (I'd do it, but it would take forever from here.)

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[gentoo-user] No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
Hi all,

My portage-fu is apparently up the creek. Again.

Trying to emerge kde-4.0.0, I get this:

==
nazgul ~ # emerge -av kde-meta

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies | *
 * ERROR: kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *  ebuild.sh, line 1666:  Called 
source 
'/var/portage/kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0.ebuild'
 *   kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0.ebuild, line9:  Called 
inherit 'kde4-meta'
 *  ebuild.sh, line 1192:  Called 
qa_source '/var/portage/local/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-meta.eclass'
 *  ebuild.sh, line   36:  Called 
source '/var/portage/local/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-meta.eclass'
 *   kde4-meta.eclass, line   39:  Called 
get-parent-package 'kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes'
 *  kde4-functions.eclass, line  330:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *  die Package $target not found in KDE_DERIVATION_MAP, please 
report bug
 *  The die message:
 *   Package  not found in KDE_DERIVATION_MAP, please report bug
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack 
if relevant.
 *

emerge: there are no ebuilds to 
satisfy =kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0:kde-4.
(dependency required by kde-base/kdeartwork-meta-4.0.0 [ebuild])
=

But the ebuild is there:

=
nazgul portage # eix kdeartwork-colorschemes
* kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes
 Available versions:  (kde-4)  {M}(~)4.0.0
 Homepage:http://www.kde.org/
 Description: KDE extra colorschemes
=

And it's also keyworded and unmasked:

=
nazgul portage # grep -r kdeartwork-colorschemes /etc/portage/*
/etc/portage/package.keywords/kde4:kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes 
**
/etc/portage/package.unmask/kde4:=kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0
=

I don't want to submit a bug as per the error just yet as I'm sure I'm 
doing something wrong on my end (as usual).

But what?

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 Hi all,

 My portage-fu is apparently up the creek. Again.

 Trying to emerge kde-4.0.0, I get this:

 ==
 nazgul ~ # emerge -av kde-meta

 These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

 Calculating dependencies | *
  * ERROR: kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0 failed.
  * Call stack:
  *  ebuild.sh, line 1666:  Called
 source
 '/var/portage/kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.
0.ebuild' *   kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0.ebuild, line9:  Called
 inherit 'kde4-meta'
  *  ebuild.sh, line 1192:  Called
 qa_source '/var/portage/local/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-meta.eclass'
  *  ebuild.sh, line   36:  Called
 source '/var/portage/local/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-meta.eclass'
  *   kde4-meta.eclass, line   39:  Called
 get-parent-package 'kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes'
  *  kde4-functions.eclass, line  330:  Called die
  * The specific snippet of code:
  *  die Package $target not found in KDE_DERIVATION_MAP, please
 report bug
  *  The die message:
  *   Package  not found in KDE_DERIVATION_MAP, please report bug
  *
  * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
 if relevant.
  *

 emerge: there are no ebuilds to
 satisfy =kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0:kde-4.
 (dependency required by kde-base/kdeartwork-meta-4.0.0 [ebuild])
 =

 But the ebuild is there:

 =
 nazgul portage # eix kdeartwork-colorschemes
 * kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes
  Available versions:  (kde-4)  {M}(~)4.0.0
  Homepage:http://www.kde.org/
  Description: KDE extra colorschemes
 =

 And it's also keyworded and unmasked:

 =
 nazgul portage # grep -r kdeartwork-colorschemes /etc/portage/*
 /etc/portage/package.keywords/kde4:kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes
 **
 /etc/portage/package.unmask/kde4:=kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0
 =

 I don't want to submit a bug as per the error just yet as I'm sure I'm
 doing something wrong on my end (as usual).

I just finished emerging KDE4 and are running revdep-rebuild now. I didn't get 
that error. That's no consolation, I know, but I guess something must be 
wrong on your side.  Is the kdeartwork tarball actually in distfiles?

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Uwe Thiem wrote:
 On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

   
 Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
 Stinking dial-up.  :-@
 

 On a second thought: Can't a kind soul in the US send Dale the tarballs on a 
 CD? (I'd do it, but it would take forever from here.)

 Uwe

   

Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
and we had cable then.

Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
out.  :-)

Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
It does teach patience tho.  LOL

Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.

Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
Size of downloads: 205,439 kB

Made some progress so far.   LOL

Dale

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[gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread econti

Hi all
I should upgrade xorg-server from 1.3.0.0-r2 to 1.3.0.0-r4.
But I read in another mailing list that the new version of xorg-server 
has some (many?) bugs.

Is this true also for the gentoo version? Should I wait before upgrading?

Regards

emilio

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Marin Roche
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 14:32 +0100, econti wrote:
 Hi all
 I should upgrade xorg-server from 1.3.0.0-r2 to 1.3.0.0-r4.
 But I read in another mailing list that the new version of xorg-server 
 has some (many?) bugs.
 Is this true also for the gentoo version? Should I wait before upgrading?
 
 Regards
 
 emilio
 

I'm using xorg-server 1.3.0.0-r4 and I have no problem, so ...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Net / dhcp (miss)behaviour

2008-01-20 Thread Tony Davison
On Saturday 19 January 2008 22:09:50 Marko Kocić wrote:
  I wonder if my similar problem is related to what you report here:  I am
  using dhcpcd and ifplug with my ADSL router, which acts as the dhcp
  server on my LAN.  For some reason ifplug does not always manage to get
  an IP address from the router and I end up with an APIPA address. 
  /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop/start gets it going again.  This problem only
  occurs if I disconnect and then reconnect the ethernet cable.  No such
  problem exists when I boot the machine with the cable already connected
  to the NIC.  I haven't changed timeouts or anything else from the dhcpcd
  defaults.  I have always attributed this problem to a somewhat slow dhcp
  server on the router.

 It is similar, with a difference that /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart
 doesn't help. I tried
 enlarging timeout but with no help.

  As a note:  WinXP machines do not have any such problem.  Even though
  they may end up with a APIPA address, they will in minute or so drop it
  and acquire a 10.10.10.XXX domain address from the router.  dhcpcpd does
  not seem to have this flexibility.

 I noticed that in most cases after I boot to windows, when I reboot
 back to linux I can't connect.
 When I reboot back to windows, net is up.

 When it fails I noticed that it send DHCP requests, but doesn't get a
 response.

 I tried dhclient, dhcpd and pump, and the results are allways the
 same. It happens in the evenings, when internet traffic is high.

Windows is not releasing the lease correctly, so the CM ignores request from 
the same MAC address for a new leasr, workround is to reboot the cm whem you 
reboot to gentoo.

This works in the UK YMMV elsewhere.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008, econti wrote:
 Hi all
 I should upgrade xorg-server from 1.3.0.0-r2 to 1.3.0.0-r4.
 But I read in another mailing list that the new version of xorg-server
 has some (many?) bugs.
 Is this true also for the gentoo version? Should I wait before upgrading?

 Regards

 emilio

'new version' means 1.4. And yes, 1.4 has some annoying bugs - like the leds 
of the keyboard not working anymore.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Net / dhcp (miss)behaviour

2008-01-20 Thread Marko Kocić
It seems like that is the problem. Ipconfig /release or disabling net
conn in win before reboot doesnt help. Rebooting modem smtimes helps
but mostly not. Is it posible to somehow configure dhcp client to use
lease from windows?

On 1/20/08, Tony Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 19 January 2008 22:09:50 Marko Kocić wrote:
   I wonder if my similar problem is related to what you report here:  I am
   using dhcpcd and ifplug with my ADSL router, which acts as the dhcp
   server on my LAN.  For some reason ifplug does not always manage to get
   an IP address from the router and I end up with an APIPA address.
   /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop/start gets it going again.  This problem only
   occurs if I disconnect and then reconnect the ethernet cable.  No such
   problem exists when I boot the machine with the cable already connected
   to the NIC.  I haven't changed timeouts or anything else from the dhcpcd
   defaults.  I have always attributed this problem to a somewhat slow dhcp
   server on the router.
 
  It is similar, with a difference that /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart
  doesn't help. I tried
  enlarging timeout but with no help.
 
   As a note:  WinXP machines do not have any such problem.  Even though
   they may end up with a APIPA address, they will in minute or so drop it
   and acquire a 10.10.10.XXX domain address from the router.  dhcpcpd does
   not seem to have this flexibility.
 
  I noticed that in most cases after I boot to windows, when I reboot
  back to linux I can't connect.
  When I reboot back to windows, net is up.
 
  When it fails I noticed that it send DHCP requests, but doesn't get a
  response.
 
  I tried dhclient, dhcpd and pump, and the results are allways the
  same. It happens in the evenings, when internet traffic is high.

 Windows is not releasing the lease correctly, so the CM ignores request from
 the same MAC address for a new leasr, workround is to reboot the cm whem you
 reboot to gentoo.

 This works in the UK YMMV elsewhere.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2008 January 20 Sunday 06:48:10 AM -0600, Dale wrote:
 Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
 does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
 time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
 internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
 makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
 should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.


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Re: [gentoo-user] No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  My portage-fu is apparently up the creek. Again.
 
  Trying to emerge kde-4.0.0, I get this:
 
  ==
  nazgul ~ # emerge -av kde-meta
 
  These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
 
  Calculating dependencies | *
   * ERROR: kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0 failed.

[snip]

 I just finished emerging KDE4 and are running revdep-rebuild now. I
 didn't get that error. That's no consolation, I know, but I guess
 something must be wrong on your side.  Is the kdeartwork tarball
 actually in distfiles?

No, it doesn't even get that far. This happens at the beginning when 
portage is still calculating the dependencies. Portage is up to date 
and a sync this morning didn't change the error either.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Net / dhcp (miss)behaviour

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Marko Kocić wrote:
 2008-01-20 16:07
    
 It seems like that is the problem. Ipconfig /release or disabling net
 conn in win before reboot doesnt help. Rebooting modem smtimes helps
 but mostly not. Is it posible to somehow configure dhcp client to use
 lease from windows?

Does pump with the -R option work correctly?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008, econti wrote:
  Hi all
  I should upgrade xorg-server from 1.3.0.0-r2 to 1.3.0.0-r4.
  But I read in another mailing list that the new version of
  xorg-server has some (many?) bugs.
  Is this true also for the gentoo version? Should I wait before
  upgrading?
 
  Regards
 
  emilio

 'new version' means 1.4. And yes, 1.4 has some annoying bugs - like
 the leds of the keyboard not working anymore.

Strange, updating the 1.4 caused my keyboard leds to START working !

It's my wireless mouse that stopped working right but that appear to be 
a hal issue

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Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  My portage-fu is apparently up the creek. Again.
 
  Trying to emerge kde-4.0.0, I get this:
 
  ==
  nazgul ~ # emerge -av kde-meta
 
  These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
 
  Calculating dependencies | *
   * ERROR: kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0 failed.
   * Call stack:

Solved.

I had the kde overlay in git enabled. Dependencies are now calculated 
properly when the overlay is disabled.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Albert Hopkins

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 17:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  'new version' means 1.4. And yes, 1.4 has some annoying bugs - like
  the leds of the keyboard not working anymore.
 
 Strange, updating the 1.4 caused my keyboard leds to START working !

Same here.  My LEDs indicators were wrong prior to 1.4 but are working
now.

There was a 'BadAlloc' problem with some apps (e.g. Java) with the
release earlier last week, but it has since been fixed in portage.

-a

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sunday 20 January 2008, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  On Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008, econti wrote:
   Hi all
   I should upgrade xorg-server from 1.3.0.0-r2 to 1.3.0.0-r4.
   But I read in another mailing list that the new version of
   xorg-server has some (many?) bugs.
   Is this true also for the gentoo version? Should I wait before
   upgrading?
  
   Regards
  
   emilio
 
  'new version' means 1.4. And yes, 1.4 has some annoying bugs - like
  the leds of the keyboard not working anymore.

 Strange, updating the 1.4 caused my keyboard leds to START working !

which 1.4? It only started to work with 1.4.0.90 for me.

See here: 

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192221

and here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434
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[gentoo-user] Polymake Ebuild and general questions

2008-01-20 Thread Thomas Kahle
Hi all,

I've written an ebuild for a math-software called polymake
(www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake).
You find it attached. You have to digest it yourself to use.
(ebuild polymake-2.3.ebuild digest)
Maybe some people could test it (on amd64 for instance...).

Now some questions:

1.) The Program uses non-autotools self made configuration via make
configure. Currently the Ebuild will ask questions to the user, which I
want to prevent. How can i get around this?
Is there some Bash trick to answer all questions with Enter ?
2.) The program needs to be rebuild after an upgrade of dev-lang/perl.
How can i implement this in the ebuild ?
3.) Is there any chance that, after testing, this will land in the
portage tree ? How can I do this,
-email to dev-mailinglist?
-bugzilla ?
- ... ???

thanks
Tom
# Copyright 1999-2008 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2

inherit eutils

IUSE=fullconfig

DESCRIPTION=research tool for polyhedral geometry
SRC_URI=http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/download/polymake-2.3.tar.bz2;

HOMEPAGE=http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake;

SLOT=0
LICENSE=GPL-3
KEYWORDS=~x86

DEPEND=dev-libs/gmp
=sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2

src_compile(){

# Interactive Configuration
if use fullconfig; then 
emake configure || die configuration failed
fi

einfo Due to heavy template usage by the package it requires
einfo up to 300MB of RAM per process. Use MAKEOPTS=-j1 if
einfo you run into trouble.

if ! use fullconfig; then 
elog Polymake will be built with -O3 which is considered safe
elog Set useflag fullconfig to change
fi

emake || die emake failed
}

src_install(){
emake DESTDIR=${D} install || die install failed
}

pkg_postinst(){
elog You will need to set up your PATH to use Polymake
elog If you use bash add 
elog PATH=\$PATH:/usr/local/polymake/bin;
elog to your .bashrc
}



[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Online bookmark keeper with good merge routine

2008-01-20 Thread reader
A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been using sitebar as my online bookmark keeper for quite a while
 but seem to have trouble merging in new bookmarks from multiple
 machines ... what is supposed to be a merge turns into a replace
 operation or so it seems .. but not always.

 What about Google Browser Sync?

 http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/

I've got to report that this appears to be nearly worthless and does
nothing like what it claims.

After installing it on 5 browsers, every time I open a different one I
still have a different set of bookmarks.  I synced them all several
times now... still after using one... and making changes, when I open
a different one it is not setup like the last one.  Even manually
syncing it does not result in the same bookmarks.

So I guess I'd have to say googles'  claims are mostly baloney


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[gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread list-catcher
Hello,
I just bought a via vb7001

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=490#spec
or
http://tinyurl.com/364jg3

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Re: [gentoo-user] Polymake Ebuild and general questions

2008-01-20 Thread KH

Hi,


I think this will help you:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml

You also might want to have a look to dev mailing list.
kh


Thomas Kahle wrote:

Hi all,

I've written an ebuild for a math-software called polymake
(www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake).
You find it attached. You have to digest it yourself to use.
(ebuild polymake-2.3.ebuild digest)
Maybe some people could test it (on amd64 for instance...).

Now some questions:

1.) The Program uses non-autotools self made configuration via make
configure. Currently the Ebuild will ask questions to the user, which I
want to prevent. How can i get around this?
Is there some Bash trick to answer all questions with Enter ?
2.) The program needs to be rebuild after an upgrade of dev-lang/perl.
How can i implement this in the ebuild ?
3.) Is there any chance that, after testing, this will land in the
portage tree ? How can I do this,
-email to dev-mailinglist?
-bugzilla ?
- ... ???

thanks
Tom
  


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[gentoo-user] Via vb7001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread list-catcher
Hello,

I just bought a via vb7001 mini-itx:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=490#spec
 or
http://tinyurl.com/364jg3

I did manage to get Gentoo installed on it, however while everything was
compiling I read the docs for the bios to get the CRT and Composite to
work.
A few ebuilds didn't compile, always the same ones, looking for i486
glibc.  Thinking (still not entirely sure, but it seems logical to me)
that I used the x86 stage3 rather than the 686 stage3 I decided to do a
clean install.  So I rebooted it, changed the bios to get CRT and
Composite to work (and they do), and to reinstall and it died immediately
after loading the kernel from the 2007.0 minimal cd.  Tried gentoo-nofb,
nada, tried gentoo-nofb noapic, nada.

So, I decided that I just screwed something up in the BIOS so did the
jumper thing as described in the docs to reset the bios to factory
defaults.  It booted CRT only.  Then I carefully set only the settings
that I thought were necessary to get composite and CRT to work. It booted
and I got this:

http://www.hellburner.com/kernel_oops_VB7001/ while fscking the partition.

I thought, ok, so I killed the install, wrong stage3, live and learn,
reboot, reinstall. So I rebooted but now whenever I try to mkfs.ext3 it
locks up and displays garbage on the screen like a busted atari.  So, I
tried the pin trick.  Same result.  mkfs starts up, formats the first 1/3
or so of the partition (60gig) and belches out atari.

I've had Gentoo running on my PII and my athlon64 3000+ just fine for
quite some time and have reinstalled them several times when the cruft
gets out of control.

I let it sit for a few hours and then decided to run memtest86.  Memtest86
ran for slightly more than a second then I got atari.  I don't have
anything else that accepts that type of ram so I have no way to isolate
it.

Any ideas?


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Jerry McBride
  Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
  Stinking dial-up.  :-@
 
  That will take a lng while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than
  there KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:
 
  kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
  kdebase 3.9MB
  kdebase-runtime 46MB
  kdebase-workspace29MB
 
  Good luck with dialup!

Thanks for the reminder 

If anyone on this mailing list isn't able to grab the gentoo sources in a 
reasonable amount of time (ie. dialup) I'm willing to copy and burn to cdrw 
or dvdrw anything you desire... Just ask me via my email address.

What I prefer to do, is work with users that are in the USA and are willing to 
swap disks or at least give me a $1.00 or $2.00 to cover material and 
shipping. That said, if you're really financially strapped... I'll assume all 
costs involved... Whatever... I'm easy.

Cheers and May the Penguin Be Kind to You.

P.S. Kde 4.0 is a real looker. Compiled free of defects, aside from having to 
fix a few USE's that I didn't have prior... 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade of xorg-server

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Sunday 20 January 2008, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

   'new version' means 1.4. And yes, 1.4 has some annoying bugs -
   like the leds of the keyboard not working anymore.
 
  Strange, updating the 1.4 caused my keyboard leds to START working
  !

 which 1.4? It only started to work with 1.4.0.90 for me.

Same here.

I can't be certain which version exactly as I usually don't bother 
looking at keyboard LEDs much, but looking at my emerge history I'd say 
that was the version that fixed things.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Justin Findlay wrote:
 On AD 2008 January 20 Sunday 06:48:10 AM -0600, Dale wrote:
   
 Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
 does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
 time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
 internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
 makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
 should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
 

 I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
 throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
 once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
 community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
 iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.


 Justin
   

I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while I
was napping.  I'm here now:

 Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
 Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--10:48:22-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
   = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
== SYST ... done.== PWD ... done.
== TYPE I ... done.  == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
== PASV ... done.== RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)

23% [==   ] 9,760,968 
2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59

Exiting on signal 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #   

I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more than
one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete pitches a fit
sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have that ONE completed.
;-)

Dang, 14Mbs both ways.   Dale drools and slobbers everywhere 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

 I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while
 I

 was napping.  I'm here now:
  Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
  Downloading

 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz
2' --10:48:22--
 ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
 Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
 Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
 == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done.
 == TYPE I ... done.  == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
 == PASV ... done.== RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
 Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)

 23% [==   ] 9,760,968
 2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59

 Exiting on signal 2
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

 I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more
 than one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete
 pitches a fit sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have
 that ONE completed. ;-)

 Dang, 14Mbs both ways.   Dale drools and slobbers everywhere 

I feel your pain. Until recently I was on a 56k dial-up that thought 33k 
was fast

If anyone on this list is in Johannesburg and would like a copy of the 
kde4 sources, drop me a mail.

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[gentoo-user] gentoo installer translate

2008-01-20 Thread Δημήτριος Ροπόκης

I plan to make only languange tranlations to gentoo install iso,
what I must do  to be used this work later?
hi!
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[gentoo-user] gdbm fatal: write error

2008-01-20 Thread de Almeida, Valmor F.

Hello,

I am using Python's shelve module to create a large database. As soon as
the data base file crosses the 2.1 GB mark, I get the error:

gdbm fatal: write error

Any insight appreciated.

Thanks,

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Portage 2.1.3.19 (default-linux/x86/2007.0, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.6.1-r0,
2.6.22.9 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.22.9 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.60GHz
Timestamp of tree: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:30:01 +
app-shells/bash: 3.2_p17
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.33-r1
dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r6
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6
sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.9-r2
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r2
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.61-r1
sys-devel/automake:  1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.18-r1
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.24
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.22-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
  I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while
  I
 
  was napping.  I'm here now:
   Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
   Downloading
 
  'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz
 2' --10:48:22--
  ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
  Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
  Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
  Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
  == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done.
  == TYPE I ... done.  == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
  == PASV ... done.== RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
  Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)
 
  23% [==   ] 9,760,968
  2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59
 
  Exiting on signal 2
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
 
  I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more
  than one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete
  pitches a fit sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have
  that ONE completed. ;-)
 
  Dang, 14Mbs both ways.   Dale drools and slobbers everywhere 

 I feel your pain. Until recently I was on a 56k dial-up that thought 33k
 was fast

 If anyone on this list is in Johannesburg and would like a copy of the
 kde4 sources, drop me a mail.

Same here in Windhoek.  Just bring a memory stick large enough and a Windhoek 
lager. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:33:04 -0600 (CST), list-catcher wrote:

 I just bought a via vb7001

Good luck with getting the CN700 graphics to work stably :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Justin Findlay wrote:

 I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
 throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
 once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
 community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
 iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.

You lucky bastard over there in Utopia! ;-)

My ADSL is 256Kb downstream and 64Kb upstream. I pay about USD50 per month 
with a data cap of 1GB per month. Still, this is far better and cheaper than 
the dialup connection I have had before. 

The so-called digital divide isn't all that much about technology, computers 
or other gadgets.; It's about knowledge and, mainly, bandwidth and its costs. 
I still have customers that run a 100 workstations business on a 128Kb line, 
paying more than USD1000 per month for it.

Alright, we are straying far from the topic here. Good luck to Dale!

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread Hal Martin
IF the BIOS gives you the option of changing the RAM timings, I would
make them all as large as they can go (slowest timings for RAM.) I'm
assuming that your RAM timing is done by default now, and while that is
right most of the time, you can't go wrong with setting them up manually.

If memtest passes with the slowest timings, then I would tighten them
until memtest makes it barf up ATARI and then back off until you reach a
stable area. Another way to do this is to look on the side of your RAM
and see if it lists the timings. If it does, great, set the timings to
those manually in the BIOS, if it doesn't, refer to previous guess and
check method.


-Hal


Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:33:04 -0600 (CST), list-catcher wrote:

   
 I just bought a via vb7001
 

 Good luck with getting the CN700 graphics to work stably :(


   

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Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sunday 20 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   My portage-fu is apparently up the creek. Again.
  
   Trying to emerge kde-4.0.0, I get this:
  
   ==
   nazgul ~ # emerge -av kde-meta
  
   These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
  
   Calculating dependencies | *
* ERROR: kde-base/kdeartwork-colorschemes-4.0.0 failed.
* Call stack:

 Solved.

 I had the kde overlay in git enabled. Dependencies are now calculated
 properly when the overlay is disabled.

Uh-huh! Yes, that explains it. Good luck there in building 4.0.0.

If I could make konsole of 4.0.0 not to crash on startup and kmail from 3.5.8 
to start at all in 4.0.0, I would immediately make 4.0.0 my default desktop. 
Without these two apps, I can not. :-(

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 20 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:

  Solved.
 
  I had the kde overlay in git enabled. Dependencies are now
  calculated properly when the overlay is disabled.

 Uh-huh! Yes, that explains it. Good luck there in building 4.0.0.

Currently on package 158 of 190, it's now 22:31 and the emerge started 
at 18:22. I seem to remember building 3.5.x from scratch progressed a 
whole lot slower. Maybe this need build system for kde4 really is a 
whole lot faster and easier.

My girlfriend says the build output looks pretty :-O

 If I could make konsole of 4.0.0 not to crash on startup and kmail
 from 3.5.8 to start at all in 4.0.0, I would immediately make 4.0.0
 my default desktop. Without these two apps, I can not. :-(

Hmmm, konsole and kmail not running doesn't fill me with joy. This are 
probably the apps I use the most followed by konqueror, kopete and 
amarok :-(


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Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

2008-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:40:40 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

 If I could make konsole of 4.0.0 not to crash on startup and kmail from
 3.5.8 to start at all in 4.0.0, I would immediately make 4.0.0 my
 default desktop. Without these two apps, I can not. :-(

Yakuake works, but claws-mail doesn't, so I'm back on 3.5 for now.


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Re: [gentoo-user] No kernel boot after inserting more ram

2008-01-20 Thread José Pedro Saraiva
Well, after all kinds of tests and trying different types of memory
configurations, I can only conclude that my kernel boots normally with 1 GB
of RAM installed but hangs when I have 2 GB of RAM installed. I can't find a
logical reason for this to happen.

Any pointers or suggestions are welcome,
Regards

On Jan 19, 2008 11:31 PM, José Pedro Saraiva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Following your replies I've done the following, in an attempt to isolate
 the problem:
 (memory #1 - old memory, memory #2 - new memory)

 - Runned memtest on both memories with 0 errors
 - Booted with both memories... kernel hang
 - Booted with memory #1 on slot #1 successfully
 - Booted with memory #1 on slot #2 successfully
 - Booted with memory #2 on slot #1 successfully
 - Booted with memory #2 on slot #2 successfully
 - Booted with both memories on windows successfully

 For some reason, my kernel hangs if I have 2 GB of RAM installed.
 And I do have High memory support (4GB), although that doesn't seem
 relevant.
 Ideas? :X

 Thank you all for the quick replies.
 Cheers


 On Jan 19, 2008 2:29 PM, Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  An alternative to running memtest (which is quite easy to do, I might
  add) would be to remove the original RAM and see if the computer boots
  with the new RAM only.
 
  Alternatively, you could just run memtest, as it is included with many
  BIOSs now. It doesn't take long to identify problems, if there are any.
  I find that test #5 is the best test for finding problems, however it
  tends to keep you in the dark until it's finished the test.
 
 
  -Hal
 
 
  Neil Bothwick wrote:
   On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:58:59 +, José Pedro Saraiva wrote:
  
  
   I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the RAM,
  
  
   How? Have you run memtest?
  
  
  
 
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RE: [gentoo-user] gdbm fatal: write error

2008-01-20 Thread de Almeida, Valmor F.
 -Original Message-
 From: de Almeida, Valmor F. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:19 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

...snip...

 the data base file crosses the 2.1 GB mark, I get the error:

It looks like GDBM files have a 2GB limit. Does anyone know whether this
can be changed?

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Re: [gentoo-user] No kernel boot after inserting more ram

2008-01-20 Thread Thomas Kahle
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Hi,

I guess your kernel is configured to support only 1GB of RAM. In the
kernel configuration look for Processor Type and Features
There you find the Option. High Memory Support.
Probably it is set to off. Set it to 4GB then recompile the kernel.
That should do it.

have fun
Tom

José Pedro Saraiva wrote:
 Well, after all kinds of tests and trying different types of memory
 configurations, I can only conclude that my kernel boots normally with 1
 GB of RAM installed but hangs when I have 2 GB of RAM installed. I can't
 find a logical reason for this to happen.
 
 Any pointers or suggestions are welcome,
 Regards
 
 On Jan 19, 2008 11:31 PM, José Pedro Saraiva [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Following your replies I've done the following, in an attempt to
 isolate the problem:
 (memory #1 - old memory, memory #2 - new memory)
 
 - Runned memtest on both memories with 0 errors
 - Booted with both memories... kernel hang
 - Booted with memory #1 on slot #1 successfully
 - Booted with memory #1 on slot #2 successfully
 - Booted with memory #2 on slot #1 successfully
 - Booted with memory #2 on slot #2 successfully
 - Booted with both memories on windows successfully
 
 For some reason, my kernel hangs if I have 2 GB of RAM installed.
 And I do have High memory support (4GB), although that doesn't seem
 relevant.
 Ideas? :X
 
 Thank you all for the quick replies.
 Cheers
 
 
 On Jan 19, 2008 2:29 PM, Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 An alternative to running memtest (which is quite easy to do, I
 might
 add) would be to remove the original RAM and see if the computer
 boots
 with the new RAM only.
 
 Alternatively, you could just run memtest, as it is included
 with many
 BIOSs now. It doesn't take long to identify problems, if there
 are any.
 I find that test #5 is the best test for finding problems,
 however it
 tends to keep you in the dark until it's finished the test.
 
 
 -Hal
 
 
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:58:59 +, José Pedro Saraiva wrote:
 
 
  I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the RAM,
 
 
  How? Have you run memtest?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Online bookmark keeper with good merge routine

2008-01-20 Thread Neil Walker

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So I guess I'd have to say googles'  claims are mostly baloney


I've been using Foxmarks for a while now and have no complaints. It 
works fine with Flock, too. :)


Be lucky,

Neil


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RE: [gentoo-user] No kernel boot after inserting more ram

2008-01-20 Thread de Almeida, Valmor F.
 -Original Message-
 From: José Pedro Saraiva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 4:48 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

...snip...

   - Booted with both memories on windows successfully

...snip...

This is surprising.

Have you tried to boot from a liveCD with both memory modules inserted?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread Neil Walker

Hal Martin wrote:

IF the BIOS gives you the option of changing the RAM timings,


It's got nothing to do with RAM timings and everything to do with the 
fact that VIA couldn't care less about Linux users. One thing I have 
learned in th last few months is don't touch VIA with a bargepole.  My 
VIA-based laptop went in the bin and I am now enjoying the luxury of an 
Intel-based laptop with nVidia graphics. :)



Be lucky,

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 12:37 -0600, Dale wrote:

  Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
  Downloading
 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
 --10:48:22-- 
 ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
 Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
 Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
 == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done.
 == TYPE I ... done.  == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
 == PASV ... done.== RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
 Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)
 
 23% [==   ] 9,760,968 
 2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59
 
 Exiting on signal 2
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 I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more than
 one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete pitches a fit
 sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have that ONE completed.
 ;-)
 
 Dang, 14Mbs both ways.   Dale drools and slobbers everywhere 
 
 Dale

didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:

 Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
 Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
 about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
 and we had cable then.

Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
inline!

 Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
 in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
 got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
 that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
 be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
 how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
 out.  :-)

the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
don't cost much (if any) more.

 Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
 hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
 understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
 They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
 one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
 connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
 of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
 It does teach patience tho.  LOL

I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
(they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
In my day...

 Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
 does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
 time on the phone too.

You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?

   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
 internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
 makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
 should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

plus you can VOIP which saves more $

 Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
 I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.

Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.

 Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
 Size of downloads: 205,439 kB
 
 Made some progress so far.   LOL

We just upgraded to 8Mbit at work... Makes an emerge --sync nice :)
Nicer than 1.5Mbit anyway.  I know there are faster speeds out there,
but for now 8Mbit is enough for anyone!

 Dale
 
 :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 19:50 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

 Read Neil's reply. He hit the nail on the finger.

That's worthy of sending to Scott Adams!  I hope he hit the nail on the
(it's) head, not on his finger :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp

2008-01-20 Thread Philip Webb
080120 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sunday 20 January 2008, Philip Webb wrote:
 080119 Kevin wrote:
 To automatically wipe /tmp upon reboot,
 change  WIPE_TMP  to yes in  /etc/conf.d/bootmisc
 Thanks: I will consider the implications.
 There aren't any implications.
 By *definition*, the contents of /tmp should not be relied on
 to survive a reboot or even subsequent invocations of the same program.
 Any app that does rely on the contents of /tmp still being there is thus 
 fundamentally broken in it's behaviour and should be avoided or fixed.

Strictly, you are correct -- that's the POSIX rule, which I know about -- ,
but there is a problem when using Mutt (another user mentioned this).
By default, Mutt creates its temporary files in  /tmp ,
which applies to the working file for new msgs even when editing with Vim
(which defaults to keeping its  .swp  running-back-up files in '.').
Leaving the defaults in place, if power fails while composing a msg,
the surviving  .swp  files wb preserved in  /tmp ,
but only if you don't set  WIPE_TMP=yes .  If you set that to yes,
when you reboot after the power failure, the  .swp  back-up wb lost.
You need to change  .muttrc  to include 'set tmpdir=/var/tmp',
which should always survive a reboot (acc to POSIX).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

2008-01-20 Thread Hal Martin
Hmm, I find that surprising, especially since the new $200 PC at
Sprawl-Mart is based on their C7 processor. Although I have heard many
issues with trying to get certain, additional, items to work with the
gPC. The main one being no modem...

I once owned a motherboard based on a VIA chipset, worst thing ever...
So I got rid of that and went for a board with an NVidia chipset :)

-Hal


Neil Walker wrote:
 Hal Martin wrote:
 IF the BIOS gives you the option of changing the RAM timings,

 It's got nothing to do with RAM timings and everything to do with the
 fact that VIA couldn't care less about Linux users. One thing I have
 learned in th last few months is don't touch VIA with a bargepole.  My
 VIA-based laptop went in the bin and I am now enjoying the luxury of
 an Intel-based laptop with nVidia graphics. :)


 Be lucky,

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Iain Buchanan wrote:


 didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!

   

Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
progress today.

 Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
 Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--22:27:31-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
   = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
== SYST ... done.== PWD ... done.
== TYPE I ... done.  == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
== PASV ... done.== RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)

63% [==   ] 2,549,928 
2.18K/sETA 12:55

Exiting on signal 2
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Could be worse I guess.  :/

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Dale
Iain Buchanan wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:

   
 Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
 Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
 about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
 and we had cable then.
 

 Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
 thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
 snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
 inline!
   

Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion.  Could you imagine a
reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles?  I keep a back up of
my distfiles, two of them, snapshot and all.  I figure about 2 weeks of
downloading and installing, mostly downloading.

   
 Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
 in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
 got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
 that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
 be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
 how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
 out.  :-)
 

 the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
 for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
 don't cost much (if any) more.
   

I plan to get a Linksys router.  That should work right?  That's what we
had on my ex's cable connection too.

   
 Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
 hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
 understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
 They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
 one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
 connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
 of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
 It does teach patience tho.  LOL
 

 I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
 (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
 In my day...
   

Put on a 9800.  Man, they will learn quick then for sure.  -0.6?  The
biscuits still in the oven? 

   
 Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
 does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
 time on the phone too.
 

 You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?
   

Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can
call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the
number of minutes each month.  I go aver that limit and they charge a
little more for that.  It's the phone company.  They get you any way
they can.  I understand why Vonage is doing so well. 

   
   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
 internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
 makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
 should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
 

 plus you can VOIP which saves more $
   

Plan to check on that too.  

   
 Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
 I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.
 

 Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
 compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
 then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.
   

I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to
watch the progress.  O_O

   
 Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
 Size of downloads: 205,439 kB

 Made some progress so far.   LOL
 

 We just upgraded to 8Mbit at work... Makes an emerge --sync nice :)
 Nicer than 1.5Mbit anyway.  I know there are faster speeds out there,
 but for now 8Mbit is enough for anyone!

   
 Dale

 :-)  :-)
 

 cya,
   

I plan to start out on the basic plan then may upgrade to a faster one
as I can.  Maybe by then Gentoo will have some other issues sorted out
and I can help in other ways.  This dial-up sort of limits a person a lot.

Well, 12 hour limit.  Better log off and reconnect then start again.  LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

2008-01-20 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 23:03 -0600, Dale wrote:
 Iain Buchanan wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:
 

  Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
  Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
  about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
  and we had cable then.
 
  Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
  thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
  snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
  inline!
 
 Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion.

oh.  well, in my defence there was a hellofalotof discussion and I tried
to stay interested but I did miss a few comments :)

   Could you imagine a
 reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles?
...

Yeah, did that once and didn't like it even on 512kbit!

...
 Not real sure
  how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
  out.  :-)
  
 
  the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
  for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
  don't cost much (if any) more.

 
 I plan to get a Linksys router.  That should work right?  That's what we
 had on my ex's cable connection too.

so long as it's not a cable modem ;)  The Billion 7404 works great here,
but then I think that's country-specific so you might not have the exact
model.

...
   Right now, I'm
  connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
  of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
  It does teach patience tho.  LOL
  
 
  I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
  (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
  In my day...

 
 Put on a 9800.  Man, they will learn quick then for sure.

Hey Iain, how come your kids are so well behaved?
Me: We have a system.  An untidy room looses you 100kbit/s; fighting
looses you 200kbit/s; not eating dinner looses you 50kbit/s...

   -0.6?  The
 biscuits still in the oven? 

Yep, almost half way to going through it all again!

  Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
  does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
  time on the phone too.
 
  You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?
 
 Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can
 call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the
 number of minutes each month.  I go aver that limit and they charge a
 little more for that.  It's the phone company.  They get you any way
 they can.  I understand why Vonage is doing so well. 

They're as bad as banks - the major telco here has tried a number of
times to get timed local calls through, but luckily they're still partly
gov't owned, so there's too much outcry.  Essentially any call in the
same city is local.  There are even national dial-up numbers which are
special number that ISP's can get.  They're charged at local call rates
no matter where you are in Australia.  I remember staying connected for
about 4 days once :)

I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
  internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
  makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
  should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
  
 
  plus you can VOIP which saves more $

 
 Plan to check on that too.  

just make sure you go with a quality provider!  There are cheap and
nasty providers (here anyway) where call quality is not worth it, and
there are quality providers that guarantee a certain level of quality
and service.  But so long as you don't lock yourself into a plan, you
can chop  change as you like.

  Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
  I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.
 
  Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
  compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
  then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.
 
 I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to
 watch the progress.  O_O

not quite the same :)  emerge -u world would download one package, and
compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
of the individual downloads and compiles.

emerge -f world and emerge -u world in two separate windows would
start downloading, but then as soon as the first package is downloaded,
it starts compiling while the next is being downloaded.  So by the time
you get to downloading the last package, everything but that last
package has already been compiled and installed (for a very slow
connection.  If you had a fast connection, you often finish downloading
well before you've compiled and