Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 00:23:56 schrieb Dale: I jusr recently copied my system using cp -av and it does have a -a option.  It's in my man page as well.  I have not even heard of gcp so I don't think I have ever used it. Yes, you did. On Linux cp _is_ gcp (GNU cp). % LANG= cp --version

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 00:23:56 schrieb Dale: I jusr recently copied my system using cp -av and it does have a -a option. It's in my man page as well. I have not even heard of gcp so I don't think I have ever used it. Yes, you did. On Linux cp _is_

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 09:29:56 schrieb Dale: I thought gcp was the command That depends on the platform. If you install it from an OpenPKG.org RPM package for example, you'll get it as cp as well as gcp. And AFAIK the BSD's install all the GNU tools with a g prefix to distinguish them

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Dale wrote: D I thought gcp was the command, so I stand corrected on that part at least. I even thought maybe it was a GUI cp or something. I was curious as to how that would work. scratches head LOL - Joerg was just making a point that GNU variant of cp is a little different from

[gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Hi gentoo-user, The previous week I asked a little something about some gnome problems and was surprised that while other mails were getting responses within hours, even minutes, of posting, I had posted and reposted the same message three times over the span of a week - to no joy. I figured that

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dake Wang
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Mark Kirkwood mar...@paradise.net.nzwrote: Dale wrote: D I thought gcp was the command, so I stand corrected on that part at least. I even thought maybe it was a GUI cp or something. I was curious as to how that would work. scratches head LOL -

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Florian Philipp
Mark David Dumlao schrieb: [...] If the memo appears somewhere, it might have to do with some transient step of the subscription process. That does make it hard to find now that I'm looking for it. What's up with html e-mails, btw? Most public emails send html e-mail by default, and one

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 20 December 2008 20:53:48 Mark Knecht wrote: I did uncomment lines in /etc/cups/mime.convs and mime.types as per the numerous wikis around on configuring cups. If you need the specific lines let me know but all the wikis say to do it. That would be helpful - thanks. Off-list

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: snip That was one of the coldest, most invisible, and hardest to troubleshoot communication errors I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin. It's like being in a foreign country and being told, years later, that wearing shoes there

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 10:42:12 schrieb Dake Wang: Joerg is obviously adverting the program star. Haha Sure. I'd do the same if had written it. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
btw, it is not about capabilities - it is about willingness. Most people are not willing to deal with the crap that is html-emails. They are no good. They are huge, they are risky, they make everything harder. And no-html is the norm for almost every mailing list (except maybe outlook-

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question, is the star command on the CD? If it is not, then the point of using star is mute. I know I boot from the Gentoo CD, mount my partitions and then copy it over. If the command is not on the CD, then what? None of this matters

[gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Jean-Marc Paulin
Ok, so I was using the 2006 profile (amd64) util I started to have errors in my emerge. So I followed the doc to upgrade my profile to a 2008 profile (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml). and at some point, I need to either select to support unicode or not. Not being too bothered

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Joerg Schilling wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question, is the star command on the CD? If it is not, then the point of using star is mute. I know I boot from the Gentoo CD, mount my partitions and then copy it over. If the command is not on the CD, then what?

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Thing is, what is on the CD works for me. I been using cp for a long time and unless it stops working, I don't plan to switch. My current Didn't you complain about gcp? According to other posts, you wrote the program. Why not talk to the people that make

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mark Kirkwood mar...@paradise.net.nz wrote: LOL - Joerg was just making a point that GNU variant of cp is a little different from the 'standard' UNIX (hmm - is there really such a thing?) version of cp. Err, on this list the point is a little oblique to say the least - since all Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: Mark Kirkwood mar...@paradise.net.nz wrote: LOL - Joerg was just making a point that GNU variant of cp is a little different from the 'standard' UNIX (hmm - is there really such a thing?) version of cp. Err, on this list the point is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 13:58:24 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and which data is not copied? ACLs and extended attributes. Still not! The same is true for GNU tar. If you use ACLs or extended attributes you have to either take care of them separately or use star or rsync. Bye...

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 14:20:49 Joerg Schilling wrote: Mark Kirkwood mar...@paradise.net.nz wrote: LOL - Joerg was just making a point that GNU variant of cp is a little different from the 'standard' UNIX (hmm - is there really such a thing?) version of cp. Err, on this list the point

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 14:58:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: oh really? and which cp is the native cp on linux? a little hint: GNU/LInux Wrong. Native cp on Linux is whatever the user decided to install, or whatever the distro bundled if the user left it at default. The fact that the

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 14:58:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: oh really? and which cp is the native cp on linux? a little hint: GNU/LInux Wrong. Native cp on Linux is whatever the user decided to install, or whatever the distro bundled

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 13:58:24 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and which data is not copied? ACLs and extended attributes. Still not! The same is true for GNU tar. If you use ACLs or extended attributes you have to either take care of

[gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread damian
Hi, When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led of the wired network device is on. Is this supposed to happen? I think it should be a problem because the laptop consumes more energy that way. Does

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 15:52:35 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 13:58:24 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and which data is not copied? ACLs and extended attributes. Still not! The same is true for GNU tar. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Florian Philipp
Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 13:58:24 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and which data is not copied? ACLs and extended attributes. Still not! The same is true for GNU tar. If you use ACLs or extended attributes you

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 16:04:34 damian wrote: Hi, When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led of the wired network device is on. Is this supposed to happen? I think it should be a problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 06:34 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] The reason is that KDE4 is a new product and has nothing to do with KDE3 other than the name. And another reason is the problem I'm describing in this very thread which should have not been a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You can start by giving the relevant information, like what exactly related to kde is in world?. Chances are you only have KDE there, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread damian
Hi Alan, On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 16:04:34 damian wrote: Hi, When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led of the

[gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
I have a problem with my gentoo system I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check error on a number of packages. After a bit of searching, the solution that I come across most often is to recompile glibc and gcc. Unfortunately, when I try to compile glibc, I

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I have a problem with my gentoo system I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check error on a number of packages. After a bit of searching, the solution that I come across most often is to recompile glibc and gcc. Unfortunately,

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:52:11 am Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I have a problem with my gentoo system I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check error on a number of packages.

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Qian Qiao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 01:30, Jeff Cranmer jcranme...@earthlink.net wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:52:11 am Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I have a problem with my gentoo system I am trying to update, and I get a C

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Penguin Lover Jeff Cranmer squawked: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes checking for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc option to accept ISO C89... unsupported checking how to run the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile binary packages[1]. Or, why not just use a stage tarball? HTH. Joe [1]

Fwd: Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 12:43:58 pm Willie Wong wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Penguin Lover Jeff Cranmer squawked: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes checking for

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently searching my subscription info, the gentoo site, or the mailing list welcome for any hints that html messages are rude or unwanted. I am having some difficulty finding it, that alone is a warning

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile binary packages[1]. Or, why not just use a stage tarball? HTH.

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 20:53:48 Mark Knecht wrote: I did uncomment lines in /etc/cups/mime.convs and mime.types as per the numerous wikis around on configuring cups. If you need the specific lines let me

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 01:49:41 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile binary

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: almost all linux mailing lists - and almost all technical mailing lists have a no-html rule. If you decide that fance formating is more important than readership, you are on your own. Hey I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 21:09:33 Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 01:49:41 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a look at the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you have attempted to downgrade glibc? My fault missed the c. @Jeff Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment on it. Perhaps this will protect you from some more headache when reinstalling. signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Perhaps you should go back to a lower glib version. Latest versions of such important packages might always have issues. What is the approved way to do this? There is no approved way to downgrade glibc. The output message from the error you posted tells you why the devs will not

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 02:35:56 pm Justin wrote: However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you have attempted to downgrade glibc? My fault missed the c. @Jeff Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment on it. Perhaps this will protect you from some

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: On Sunday 21 December 2008 02:35:56 pm Justin wrote: However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you have attempted to downgrade glibc? My fault missed the c. @Jeff Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment on it. Perhaps

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, and it is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the hard drive, how do I reinstall everything? Where do I change the accept keywords variable? It isn't in my make.conf, and if I put an accept keywords

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Joerg Schilling wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Thing is, what is on the CD works for me. I been using cp for a long time and unless it stops working, I don't plan to switch. My current Didn't you complain about gcp? Nope. I didn't complain about. Never heard of

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
User Relations bug 251931 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
»Q« wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently searching my subscription info, the gentoo site, or the mailing list welcome for any hints that html messages are rude or unwanted. I am having some difficulty finding it, that alone

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: First avoid top posting OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, and it is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the hard drive, how do I reinstall everything? boot livecd, mount the disc as described in the official

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
To clarify, when I try to run emerge -eav system, the first package which fails is sandbox. It advises me to try FEATURES=-sandbox emerge sandbox in response to the cannot run C compiled programs, but I still get the same error. My research on the web points me back towards gcc not being

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:15:41 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: First avoid top posting OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, and it is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the hard drive, how do I reinstall everything?

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out there. Your system is broken and fixing takes the same effort than reinstalling. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out there. Your system is broken

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out there. Your system is broken and fixing takes the same effort than

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: User Relations bug 251931 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 Access Denied You are not authorized to access bug #251931. Please press Back and try again.

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, I don't imagine ANY of what we're talking about here will work for a Windows machine printing to a Linux cups server if a Linux machine on the same network cannot print to that server. Technically not true. I had a

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:44:37 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many

[gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
I want to install PostgreSQL but I'm wondering which package to use. The obvious choice (dev-db/postgresql) installs 8.2.7 but dev-db/postgresql-server installs 8.3.5. (I see they even use the same tarball.) Is postgresql-server is the proper way going forward? What about

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:42:15 Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out there.

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:44:37 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: Jeff Cranmer schrieb: I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
I'll let others deal with your other questions, because they require some thought and I am not sure if I remember enough of the re-install process to deal with it. But, a few comments that I hope may be helpful: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 04:41:15PM -0500, Jeff Cranmer wrote: (4) After editing the

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 23:45:33 Hilco Wijbenga wrote: I want to install PostgreSQL but I'm wondering which package to use. The obvious choice (dev-db/postgresql) installs 8.2.7 but dev-db/postgresql-server installs 8.3.5. (I see they even use the same tarball.) Is postgresql-server is the

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: User Relations bug 251931 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 Access Denied You are not authorized to access bug #251931.

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Graham Murray
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: postgresql-server is not something new, it's a new way of packaging an existing product. It's like the monolithic/split KDE ebuilds, the new split postgresql packages make the dev's life easier, and make it possible for you to make more modular

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: User Relations bug 251931 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 Access

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: emm - they are silently ignored by the people, not the system - and usually someone complains about them - it was just bad luck in your part. It is in this particular case where the people _are_ the

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Willie Wong ww...@princeton.edu wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, I don't imagine ANY of what we're talking about here will work for a Windows machine printing to a Linux cups server if a Linux machine on the same

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those packages removed when the package that depends on them is also removed. The depclean

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: That was one of the coldest, most invisible, and hardest to troubleshoot communication errors I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin. It's like being in a foreign country and being told, years later, that wearing shoes

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.13 (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) You need to upgrade to a more recent version of util-linux, at least 2.13, which shouldn't be a problem as 2.14.1 is stable. emerge --oneshot

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 01:35:41 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: That was one of the coldest, most invisible, and hardest to troubleshoot communication errors I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin. It's like being in a foreign

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 00:07:01 Graham Murray wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: postgresql-server is not something new, it's a new way of packaging an existing product. It's like the monolithic/split KDE ebuilds, the new split postgresql packages make the dev's life

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those packages removed when the package that depends on them is also

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will break. KDevelop will break without Kate, and KDE 3.5 itself will break without the other two. :P OK,

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:58:30 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Rightee-o boys and girls, this is the point where the pretty girl from candid camera reveals that you are all suckers and points to the hidden camera behind the mirror: Am I the only one here that sees this is

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread Daniel Troeder
Am Sonntag, den 21.12.2008, 15:04 +0100 schrieb damian: When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led of the wired network device is on. Is this supposed to happen? I think it should be a problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 02:28:26 Allan Gottlieb wrote: I think that is a little harsh.  I dislike html mail, never send it, and know perfectly well that this group is for text, bottom-posted mail. It's not intended to be harsh, it's intended to make some folk sit back, take a deep breath,

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:40:15 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 22 December 2008 02:28:26 Allan Gottlieb wrote: I think that is a little harsh.  I dislike html mail, never send it, and know perfectly well that this group is for text, bottom-posted mail. It's not

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Jean-Marc Paulin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.13 (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) You need to upgrade to a more recent version of util-linux, at least 2.13,

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:01:59AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What's the rationale behind that? I can see why someone might want two or more versions of php, python, perl or mysql. But postgresql? I can't imagine why it would be useful to the majority to have SLOTs for postgresql.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't do it. There isn't a rule about it, it's not an exam question and

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.13 (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) You need to upgrade to a more

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 03:06:07 Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 03:01:07 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:01:59AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What's the rationale behind that? I can see why someone might want two or more versions of php, python, perl or mysql. But postgresql? I can't imagine why it would

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't do it. There isn't a rule about

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
But it is a problem that must be addressed. It doesn't help to boil the situation into an inaccurate but amusing caricature of the problem. That's how the many bad interfaces get developed. The problem is solved for my case. I'm not going to be using html mails. But ignoring the problem isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: b) just because you don't read all of the threads on this list doesn't mean you're exempt from them. There are plenty times that somebody asks a question and the answer is, search the archives for XYZ, we already covered

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: But it is a problem that must be addressed. It doesn't help to boil the situation into an inaccurate but amusing caricature of the problem. That's how the many bad interfaces get developed. The problem is solved for my case. I'm not going to be using html mails. But

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: b) just because you don't read all of the threads on this list doesn't mean you're exempt from them. There are plenty times that somebody asks a question and the answer is, search the

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen plenty of emails going around requesting people not top-post and not to post via html. I don't think it's as big of a problem as this thread makes it out to be. While I'm sure some people do ignore posts that

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: this isn't some big secret, you just don't read all of the threads. There are 5,120 results for html+email when searching the gmane archives of gentoo-user. The link below is the search I used, sorted by date

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
snipped a bunch of questions I don't know the answer to On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 03:02:36PM -0800, Penguin Lover Mark Knecht squawked: I hope the question is at least reasonable as the data format at each point in the network is really unclear to me. Maybe there's a good site to read about

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kdeprefix has nothing to do with KDE3. It's not needed. It's only needed to have many KDE4 versions at the same time.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen plenty of emails going around requesting people not top-post and not to post via html. I don't think it's as big of a problem as this thread makes it out to be. While I'm sure some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will break. KDevelop

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if he could have made that any clearer. That being said, I'm done contributing to spam on the list. Please bottom post and post in a text only format. For many people (myself included) this is the first

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will

RE: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Adam Carter
(tongue heading swiftly in the direction of cheek) Ring ring. Ring ring. Hello, Gentoo user list speaking Oh hi. It's the 1990s calling. We want our plain text email back No

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