Re: [gentoo-user] How to run Firefox Beta?

2013-04-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Friday 26 April 2013 11:05:05 AM IST, Alecks Gates wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: I downloaded Firefox Beta official tbz2 from mozilla.org and extract into ~ But, ldd libxul.so says libasound.so.2 not found, even though /usr/lib where

Re: [gentoo-user] How to run Firefox Beta?

2013-04-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Friday 26 April 2013 11:36:51 AM IST, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 11:05:05 AM IST, Alecks Gates wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: I downloaded Firefox Beta official tbz2 from mozilla.org and extract into ~ But, ldd

Re: [gentoo-user] How to run Firefox Beta?

2013-04-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Friday 26 April 2013 12:09 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 11:36:51 AM IST, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 11:05:05 AM IST, Alecks Gates wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: I downloaded Firefox Beta

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-26 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thu, April 25, 2013 20:26, Joseph wrote: On 04/25/13 18:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: So pg_hba.conf only controls direct connections to postgreSQL. Correct. Since apache group is in postgres user; apache was given permission to access the database in this case py-passing the setting in

Re: [gentoo-user] How to run Firefox Beta?

2013-04-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Friday 26 April 2013 12:10:34 PM IST, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 12:09 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 11:36:51 AM IST, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 11:05:05 AM IST, Alecks Gates wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM,

Re: [gentoo-user] can't mount ext4 fs as est3 or ext3

2013-04-26 Thread Andrea Conti
Hi, EXT3-fs (sda5): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240) /dev/sda5 / ext4noatime,discard 0 1 When first mounting the root filesystem the kernel has no access to /etc/fstab and therefore by default tries mounting it with all available

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:48:07PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote Analogy: 99% of people aren't going to need a11y. But the whole point of installing it by default on most desktop systems is that you can't predict who

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio enforced on users without very good cause How much barefaced lying can you do in one sentence? 1) it's not enforced _on you_. USE=-pulse 2) bluetooth

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 26.04.2013 12:34, Mark David Dumlao wrote: YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO effect on yours. YES it is entirely about a software I don't like. If other people choose to like the software is the

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/20/2013 05:34 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:28:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote [snip] If you need it, PA can be great. Not everyone needs or wants it, many people are quite content to just

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 26/04/13 at 04:05pm, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: There may be a wagon of reasons why I don't like it, from its name to its author's coding style to my experience with it 175 years ago, and for me these are all fair reasons. Woah poettering wrote software that ran on this thing ? if so He

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 26.04.2013 16:56, Yohan Pereira wrote: On 26/04/13 at 04:05pm, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: There may be a wagon of reasons why I don't like it, from its name to its author's coding style to my experience with it 175 years ago, and for me these are all fair reasons. Woah poettering wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 10:50, Mark David Dumlao wrote: It does no harm and might be useful for some is simply not a valid reason to enforce a package on all users, especially when said package is the latest johnny-come-lately from a wunderkind with a proven reputation for writing invasive code[1]

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Joseph
On 04/25/13 10:33, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Everyone, We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was wondering which of the many solutions are considered viable. I did see the http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Time_Synchronization. Our services are quite time

Re: [gentoo-user] can't mount ext4 fs as est3 or ext3

2013-04-26 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Apr 25 2013, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 25.04.2013 18:26, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I get the following in /var/log/messages EXT3-fs (sda5): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240) ... EXT4-fs (sda5): couldn't mount as ext2 due to feature

Re: [gentoo-user] mkfs.reiserfs hangs system?

2013-04-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 26, 2013 10:31 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Apr 26, 2013 9:46 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Can't get to see dmesg, the system locked up tight. I can create an ext4 fs

Re: [gentoo-user] can't mount ext4 fs as est3 or ext3

2013-04-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 26, 2013 3:09 PM, Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote: Hi, EXT3-fs (sda5): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240) /dev/sda5 / ext4noatime,discard 0 1 When first mounting the root filesystem the kernel has no access to

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Jarry
On 26-Apr-13 16:10, Joseph wrote: On 04/25/13 10:33, Nick Khamis wrote: We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was wondering which of the many solutions are considered viable. I did see the http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Time_Synchronization. Our services are

[gentoo-user] Nautical Gentoo hardware suggestions?

2013-04-26 Thread James
Hello, We'll it's time to take Gentoo on the boating excursions. sci-geosciences/opencpn is in portage and I'm going to the the Fl. Keys for a couple of weeks. [1] However, much of the time, the Gentoo_nav_hadware will be on a 17 foot boat (damp and salty if not wet) in search for those most

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Nick Khamis
On 4/26/13, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 26-Apr-13 16:10, Joseph wrote: On 04/25/13 10:33, Nick Khamis wrote: We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was wondering which of the many solutions are considered viable. I did see the

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for me on my computers. Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread, though, and you'll get the impression that some

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 17:27, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you for the many solutions however, I am totally lost as to which would be most reliable in a collocation setting vs. office desktop. What we would like is to set up our own ntp server which other servers and desktops in our

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Nick Khamis
On 4/26/13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 17:27, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you for the many solutions however, I am totally lost as to which would be most reliable in a collocation setting vs. office desktop. What we would like is to set up our

[gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Tanstaafl
compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to have to enable modules just so I can use the vmware tools?? This is a server and I don't want modules enabled at all.

[gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi all, since Linux-2.6.24, fcaps support is part of the vanilla kernel. If you also add libcap user and developer support and the commands getcap and setcap, you will be able to install working versions for: cdrecord, cdda2wav, readcd without making them suid-root. This works with

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Alan Mackenzie
'evening, Mark. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for me on my computers. Yes, that's exactly the point.

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Jarry
On 26-Apr-13 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to have to enable modules just so I can use the vmware tools?? Yes you are. If you want to use vm-tools (open or

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to have to enable modules just so I can use the vmware tools?? This is a server and I don't want modules

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 18:37, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to have to enable modules just so I can use the vmware tools?? Yes you are.

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 17:54, Nick Khamis wrote: On 4/26/13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 17:27, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you for the many solutions however, I am totally lost as to which would be most reliable in a collocation setting vs. office

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 06:18:13PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Hi all, since Linux-2.6.24, fcaps support is part of the vanilla kernel. If you also add libcap user and developer support and the commands getcap and setcap, you will be able to install working versions for: cdrecord,

Re: [gentoo-user] vmWare HowTo / best practices

2013-04-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-19 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: vmware-tools: I have tested open-vm-tools but now I'm running my VMs without them because every kernel upgrade was a real pain in a**. And trully I did not see any benefit in running vm-tools (maybe it would be different on desktop). For

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Jarry
On 26-Apr-13 18:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/04/2013 18:37, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to have to enable modules just so I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: [snip] Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome =3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the forced is certainly there. No one is forcing nothing on anyone, since nobody is forcing no one to use

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
Joerg Schilling schrieb am 26.04.2013 18:18: Hi all, since Linux-2.6.24, fcaps support is part of the vanilla kernel. If you also add libcap user and developer support and the commands getcap and setcap, you will be able to install working versions for: cdrecord, cdda2wav, readcd

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org wrote: without making them suid-root. This works with cdrtools-3.01a14 or later. Check ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ Thanks Jörg, I have read the release notes for alpha14 and prepared an ebuild which automatically applies the

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Nick Khamis
On 4/26/13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 17:54, Nick Khamis wrote: On 4/26/13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 17:27, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you for the many solutions however, I am totally lost as to which would be

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
Joerg Schilling schrieb am 26.04.2013 19:07: Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org wrote: without making them suid-root. This works with cdrtools-3.01a14 or later. Check ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ Thanks Jörg, I have read the release notes for alpha14 and prepared an

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 26.04.2013 19:41, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for me on my computers. Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread, though,

Re: [gentoo-user] Nautical Gentoo hardware suggestions?

2013-04-26 Thread Stroller
On 26 April 2013, at 16:16, James wrote: … sci-geosciences/opencpn is in portage [1] That looks like awesome software! However, much of the time, the Gentoo_nav_hadware will be on a 17 foot boat (damp and salty if not wet) … So I'm looking for marine grade hardware onto which installation

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 26.04.2013 19:41, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for me on my

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org wrote: Actually it is the linkage against libcap what I am concerned of. This is what I call a security risk with the current concepts of some linux systems. See Announcement file for more Imagine the following scenario. Libcap is not present on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Stroller
On 26 April 2013, at 16:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So here's what you do: sync everything to your ISP's time servers. Chances are good they do a better job than you can, just like with DNS caching. I'm not sure if my ISP offers time servers, but Apple and MS both run time servers which

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Alan Mackenzie
'afternoon, Canek! On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: [snip] Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome =3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the forced is

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
Joerg Schilling schrieb am 26.04.2013 20:31: Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org wrote: Actually it is the linkage against libcap what I am concerned of. This is what I call a security risk with the current concepts of some linux systems. See Announcement file for more Imagine the

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was wondering which of the many solutions are considered viable. I did see the http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Time_Synchronization.

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: 'afternoon, Canek! Hi Alan. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: [snip] Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 26.04.2013 22:25, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [ snip ] You do realize that Lennart hasn't been the maintainer of PulseAudio since *BEFORE* the 1.0 release? And that now it has in fact many contributors, and they just released 3.0 in December and are getting ready to release 4.0? And that

[gentoo-user] GSettings-to-GConf problem

2013-04-26 Thread Grant
shotwell keeps crashing when I import photos with Copy Photos as opposed to Import in Place. I've been over this thoroughly with the shotwell list and they've come to these conclusions: There may be something about the configuration mapper on your machine that is just broken. the problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Cdrtools installation without suid root

2013-04-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org wrote: I am concerned about a different scenario: Imagine, you compile cdrtools without libcap and later install the support for the OS. Now you decide to use setcap to make cdrecord work. Cdrecord will really work this way, but you opened a

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
the solution (in the GNOME developers view) is not to remove PA, since the goal of the project is to cover *ALL* use cases. I don't know the details of the pulseaudio implementation but I have a hunch the problem boils down to blind arrogance and ignorance on the part of the roots of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 19:11, Nick Khamis wrote: Thank you so much for your response, and I totally understand the effort vs. benefit challenge. However, is it really that much trouble/unstable to setup our own ntp server that syncs with our local isp, and have our internal network sync on it?

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Canek. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi Alan. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
the solution (in the GNOME developers view) is not to remove PA, since the goal of the project is to cover *ALL* use cases. I don't know the details of the pulseaudio implementation but I have a hunch the problem boils down to blind arrogance and ignorance on the part of the roots of

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 20:36, Stroller wrote: On 26 April 2013, at 16:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So here's what you do: sync everything to your ISP's time servers. Chances are good they do a better job than you can, just like with DNS caching. I'm not sure if my ISP offers time servers, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 20:54, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was wondering which of the many solutions are considered viable. I did see the

[gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread the guard
Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:41 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 26/04/2013 20:54, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, We are trying to sync our server's time with an accurate ntp server, and was

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 18:54, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/04/2013 18:37, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with CONFIG_MODULES Please tell me that I'm not going to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 22:46, the guard wrote: Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:41 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 26/04/2013 20:54, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, We are trying to sync our server's time

[gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread the guard
Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:54 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 26/04/2013 22:46, the guard wrote: Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:41 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 26/04/2013 20:54, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM,

[gentoo-user] Re: Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:50:43PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio enforced on users without very good cause How much barefaced lying can you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/04/2013 23:02, the guard wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of how Windows has no concept of UTC set in the hw clock and a local timezone, and how timezones are odd things like Harare/Pretoria instead of the official names like SAST GMT+2 as set by the scientific timekeeping

Re: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Nick Khamis
On 4/26/13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 19:11, Nick Khamis wrote: Thank you so much for your response, and I totally understand the effort vs. benefit challenge. However, is it really that much trouble/unstable to setup our own ntp server that syncs with our

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:10:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wasn't born here in Africa and didn't spend primary school years here either. But I distinctly recall having to walk to school in the snow and in the dark to geet their before 9 o'clock. Not fun. DST would have helped. No it wouldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:34:03PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO effect on yours. Even your sig betrays your bias. I don't go around telling other people what

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2013 22:46, the guard wrote: Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:41 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Do none of us here ever deal with Windows? :-) I notice that no-one has yet mentioned that

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Canek. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi Alan. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 09:38:26PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote When trying to hunt down a thread to let a guy on the OpenBSD list know about Gnome 3.8 hard deps on pulseaudio. I came across this sarcasm about a comment by Lennart from a fairly prominent dev that adds to the idea of arrogance

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:50:43PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio enforced on users without very good cause How much barefaced lying can you do

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-26 Thread James Cloos
J == Joseph syscon...@gmail.com writes: J In my pg_hba.conf I have: J localall all trust J hostall all 127.0.0.1/32trust J I was under impression that this is configuration is for localhost

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: If GNOME has to support PA and non-pa systems, they need to code, test, support and bug-fix 2 different sets of of systems. If they need to support ConsoleKit and logind, the number grows to 4 (PA/ck, PA/logind, non-PA/ck,

[gentoo-user] {OT} laptops for a developing country (Vanuatu)

2013-04-26 Thread Grant
My wife and I recently visited Vanuatu (island of Santo) and fell in love with it. We got to know some locals pretty well and everybody is pining for laptops. Internet service is becoming widely available due to Digicel and TVL cell phone signals but I didn't meet anyone with a real smartphone.

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: Thanks, it really doesn't look like forcing. On the higher level, there must be some politics going on; that's also not forcing, but politics. On the lower level (that of users) one's always got the worst case to

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-26 Thread Joseph
On 04/26/13 20:25, James Cloos wrote: J == Joseph syscon...@gmail.com writes: J In my pg_hba.conf I have: J local all all trust J hostall all 127.0.0.1/32trust J I was under impression that this is

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} laptops for a developing country (Vanuatu)

2013-04-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Saturday 27 April 2013 06:33:24 AM IST, Grant wrote: My wife and I recently visited Vanuatu (island of Santo) and fell in love with it. We got to know some locals pretty well and everybody is pining for laptops. Internet service is becoming widely available due to Digicel and TVL cell phone

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 26 April 2013 22:43:10 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:10:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wasn't born here in Africa and didn't spend primary school years here either. But I distinctly recall having to walk to school in the snow and in the dark to geet their before 9

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} laptops for a developing country (Vanuatu)

2013-04-26 Thread Grant
My wife and I recently visited Vanuatu (island of Santo) and fell in love with it. We got to know some locals pretty well and everybody is pining for laptops. Internet service is becoming widely available due to Digicel and TVL cell phone signals but I didn't meet anyone with a real

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: We know what we Gentoo users think of Lennart. Speak for yourself, Walter. Many Gentoo users, like me and many others than don't participate in the shouting contest this list sometimes is, don't think bad of Lennart, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread William Kenworthy
On 27/04/13 09:20, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 22:43:10 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:10:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wasn't born here in Africa and didn't spend primary school years here either. But I distinctly recall having to walk to school in the snow

Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion

2013-04-26 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 04/27/13 09:20, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013 22:43:10 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:10:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wasn't born here in Africa and didn't spend primary school years here either. But I distinctly recall having to walk to school in the snow

Re: [gentoo-user] open-vm-tools install fails because I have modules disabled??

2013-04-26 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 4/26/2013 15:48, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/04/2013 18:54, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/04/2013 18:37, Jarry wrote: On 26-Apr-13 18:11, Tanstaafl wrote: compile fails with lots of ...error No Module support in this kernel. Please configure with