Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/02/2014 16:15, hasufell wrote: Alan McKinnon: On 20/02/2014 22:41, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote: And this point is one of the highest security benefits in real world: one have non-standard binaries, not available in the

Re: [gentoo-user] flashcards?

2014-02-22 Thread Edward M
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:46:32 + James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I'm looking for an application to create flashcards for study. It'd be great to run the creation software on a gentoo workstation and then be able to download the flash cards by category to either an Iphone or an

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 22.02.2014 11:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: [ ... ] Even as the complex beast it has become systemd is still simpler than the alternative of having abominations of unreliable shell scripts checking to see which version of grep and sed is used to split the command line, or whether the system

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 on /boot

2014-02-22 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Sat, February 22, 2014 06:27, Facundo Curti wrote: Hi all. I'm new in the list, this is my third message :) First at all, I need to say sorry if my english is not perfect. I speak spanish. I post here because gentoo-user-es it's middle dead, and it's a great chance to practice my english :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

2014-02-22 Thread Mick
On Thursday 20 Feb 2014 01:22:24 eroen wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:39:51 -0800, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just spotted that phrase in the sourceforge newsletter: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cloverefiboot/ and it seems to me like an oxymoron. If that phrase makes logical

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread thegeezer
On 02/21/2014 08:33 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Fri, February 21, 2014 18:33, thegeezer wrote: On 02/20/2014 08:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: snipped .. setting systemd to log to syslog to make transitions smoother (as logs are lost on reboot by default) Eeerh, logs are lost on reboot? until you

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread thegeezer
On 02/22/2014 01:21 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 02/21/2014 08:33 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Fri, February 21, 2014 18:33, thegeezer wrote: On 02/20/2014 08:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: snipped .. setting systemd to log to syslog to make transitions smoother (as logs are lost on reboot by default)

[gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list, A week ago the 2.5 drive on my Atom LAN mini-server failed, so I decided to bite the bullet and replace it with an SSD. Interesting times! Today I took the box off-line and backed up the entire, newly built system to external USB2 disk. The 3GB took four minutes, a third or a

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread thegeezer
Hello list, A week ago the 2.5 drive on my Atom LAN mini-server failed, so I decided to bite the bullet and replace it with an SSD. Interesting times! Today I took the box off-line and backed up the entire, newly built system to external USB2 disk. The 3GB took four minutes, a third or a

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:40:46 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Of course the larger a project is the *potential* number of bugs increases, but so what? With enough developers, users and testers, all bugs are *potentially* squashed. Agreed, but I know of enough large projects with large

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

2014-02-22 Thread Poison BL.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 20 Feb 2014 01:22:24 eroen wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:39:51 -0800, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just spotted that phrase in the sourceforge newsletter:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

2014-02-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 22.02.2014 16:56, schrieb Poison BL.: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Last I did much research on it, the only semi-working implementation of OSX in a VM required VMware Workstation as the host, involved booting a hacked together boot cd image, and

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 on /boot

2014-02-22 Thread Stroller
On Sat, 22 February 2014, at 5:27 am, Facundo Curti facu.cu...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm going to get a new PC with a disc SSD 120GB and another HDD of 1TB. But in a coming future, I want to add 2 or more disks SSD. Mi idea now, is: Disk HHD: /dev/sda /dev/sda1 26GB

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

2014-02-22 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-22 8:00 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, has anyone tried hackintosh in a VM? I am thinking of using AppleMac's Mail program, when I can no longer run the legacy kmail application. A bit drastic to have to load a whole VM just for mail, but I can't find another client

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 install guide?

2014-02-22 Thread Kerin Millar
On 05/09/2013 07:13, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Thu, September 5, 2013 05:04, James wrote: Hello, What would folks recommend as a Gentoo installation guide for a 2 disk Raid 1 installation? My previous attempts all failed to trying to follow (integrate info from) a myriad-malaise of old docs. I

Re: Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-21 4:58 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:32:07 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, so, since it really is so simple, wouldn't it be easier to implement this as an eselect module then, as opposed to creating a bunch of separate profiles? profiles handle

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

2014-02-22 Thread Mick
On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 16:26:49 Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 22.02.2014 16:56, schrieb Poison BL.: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Last I did much research on it, the only semi-working implementation of OSX in a VM required VMware Workstation as the

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 22.02.2014 15:47, schrieb Peter Humphrey: I find though that fstrim can't operate on /boot, which is a separate ext2 file system. It reports: fstrim: /boot: FITRIM ioctl failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device Is this because it's an ext2 partition, not ext4 like the rest of them?

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Stroller
On Sat, 22 February 2014, at 10:38 am, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 22.02.2014 11:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: [ ... ] Even as the complex beast it has become systemd is still simpler than the alternative of having abominations of unreliable shell scripts checking to see

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 on /boot

2014-02-22 Thread Kerin Millar
On 22/02/2014 11:41, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Sat, February 22, 2014 06:27, Facundo Curti wrote: Hi all. I'm new in the list, this is my third message :) First at all, I need to say sorry if my english is not perfect. I speak spanish. I post here because gentoo-user-es it's middle dead, and it's

Re: Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/02/2014 18:37, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-21 4:58 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:32:07 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, so, since it really is so simple, wouldn't it be easier to implement this as an eselect module then, as opposed to creating a bunch of

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] And here we have a design issue. I already pointed this issue in this discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg144144.html Though it was completely ignored by you. I understand: it

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 on /boot

2014-02-22 Thread Facundo Curti
Thank you so much for the help! :) It was very useful. I just need wait my new PC, and try it *.* jeje. Bytes! ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 on /boot

2014-02-22 Thread Facundo Curti
Please let us know what the performance is like when using the setup you are thinking off. Of course. I will post these here :) 2014-02-22 16:13 GMT-03:00 Facundo Curti facu.cu...@gmail.com: Thank you so much for the help! :) It was very useful. I just need wait my new PC, and try it *.*

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread Facundo Curti
Man fstrim makes no mention of file-system types. Maybe I've not laid out the partitions properly. I used gparted from a recent System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org), which said it was leaving 1MB unused before /dev/sda1. While I'm here, would anyone like to suggest suitable

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 22.02.2014 21:21, Stroller wrote: On Sat, 22 February 2014, at 10:38 am, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 22.02.2014 11:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: [ ... ] Even as the complex beast it has become systemd is still simpler than the alternative of having abominations of

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread Daniel Troeder
Am 22.02.2014 16:24, schrieb thegee...@thegeezer.net: you might want this to read relatime,discard to handle the trim automagically. if you are concerned about writes i'd suggest noatime for all of these noatime yes - you need atimes only with _ancient_ news/mail servers/clients. But I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 22.02.2014 21:21, Stroller wrote: [ snip ] I’m doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won’t be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. … PS. Yes – it’s free of any minix code, and it has a

[gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-22 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: , etc. To simplify the problem, I tried

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-22 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 23.02.2014 00:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 22.02.2014 21:21, Stroller wrote: [ snip ] I’m doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won’t be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. … PS.

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-22 Thread Mick
On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 22:06:15 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been

[gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-22 Thread thegeezer
OK so because of how much time has been spent arguing about systemd with little technical content, i've spent some time on the freedesktop site reading Lennart's blog and also going through the source to find answers to my questions about the socket activator. i've also been going through the man

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-22 Thread wabenbau
Am Samstag, 22.02.2014 um 21:15 schrieb Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de: Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph,

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD success - I think

2014-02-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 14:47:54 I wrote: ---8 ... would anyone like to suggest suitable parameters to mkfs for any of my file-systems? Here's the fstab: ---8 Thank you gents for all your comments. I'm grateful. Here's what I think I should do as a result: 1. Keep relatime in

Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: OK so because of how much time has been spent arguing about systemd with little technical content, i've spent some time on the freedesktop site reading Lennart's blog and also going through the source to find answers to my